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| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 571 | Old stuff First off, nice work mixing it up a bit OddTodd. How about bringing back the old debate? We've done aliens and dragons, how about other fantasy stuff? Like elves, dwarves, giants, ext. Classic fantasy stuff. |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 570 | RE: Old stuff I'd do some kind of current events thing, but all of it seems about various religions fighting. Yawn, well, more of a yawn than the dragon debate. |
| Posted By: Uhmm... Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 561 | RE: Old stuff I think if he did any of those, you would be the only one who would care enough to vote. -YAWN!- |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 553 | RE: RE: Old stuff I didn't mean for todd to do it, Debate key word there, not poll. I guess it really has been a long time since we've done a debate here... Come on, Some of you have to remember. GUW, Syrgot? The Dragon one for example, long time ago I guess, but everyone put in their two cents about if they belived in them or not and why. We didn't have the problem with impersonations then...but why not give it a shot again. |
| Posted By: Syrgot Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 551 | RE: Old stuff Uhm..... I'm not sure what to say.... I can't even tell if that's the real Dragonmaster... And if it is... no... no I'm not debating Dragons. Here's why. They're not real. The end. |
| Posted By: Greg Posted On: Aug 21, 2006 Views: 549 | RE: Old stuff How do you debate fantasy anyway? I mean if you're not a dork and you're not playing D&D... |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 22, 2006 Views: 537 | RE: Old stuff Now, of course I dont believe in modern day dragons, unless there water dragons or something, which some people still see. Hell, the Christians still belive in their god and he hasn't shown his face in over 2000 years. Now, if someone can show me that most of the dragons were just snakes, then I'll back off. But there are few things that go across all people of different times, the only thing I know of that people that had no contact with each other through their whole existance shared. Here is some old stuff from the last debate. and no, I really don't expect anyone to read it all. The dragon is defined in the Encyclopedia Britannica for 1877 as "the name given by the ancients to a huge winged lizard or serpent." The also goes on to state that "they (the ancients) regarded it as the enemy of mankind, and it's overthrow is made to figure among the greatest exploits of the gods and heroes of mythology. It's existence does not seem to have been called in question by the older naturalists; figures of the dragon appearing in the works of Gresner and Aldrovandus, and even specimens of the monster have been exhibited." A reference is also made to the genus Draco, comprising eighteen specimens of winged lizards, all small, and peculiar to India and the islands of the Malay archipelago. Yea, because we know the Encyclopedia Britannica is always full of ****. Among the earliest classics of Europe, it's existence is asserted as a scientific fact, and accepted by poets as a sound basis for analogies, comparisons, allegories, and fable; it appears in the mythology of the Goth, and is continued through the readition and fable of every country of Europe; nor does it fail to appear even in the imperfect traditions of the New World, where its presence may be considered as comparatively indigenous, and undetermined by the communications dependent on the so-called discovery of later days. It must be noticed here, that if we postulate the existence of the dragon, we are not bound to limit ourselves to a single species, or even two. "In the woods of Java are certain flying snakes, or rather drakes. They have four legs, a long tail, and their skin is speckled with many spots, their wings are not unlike a bat, which they move in flying, but otherwise keep them almost unperceived close to the body. They feed on flies and other insects." - Mr. John Nieuhoff's Voyage and Travels to the East Indies, contained in a collection of Voyages and Travels, in 6 vols., vol. ii. p. 317; Churchill, London, 1732 "The eagle and the dragon are enemies, for the eagle feeds on the serpents young" - History of Animals, Book ix., chap. ii Bohn. "the Glanis in shallow water is often destroyed by the dragon serpent" Ibid., Book vi., chap. xx 12 "When the draco has eated much fruit, it seeks the juice of the bitter lettuce" - History of Animals, Book ix., chap. vii. 4 The Shan-hai-king a Chinese work of extreme antiquity. "The Pa snake swallows elephants, after three years it ejects the bones, well-to-do people, eating it, are cured of consumption." Diodorus Siculus, in speaking of the region of the Nile in Libya, says that, "very large serpents are produced there and in great numbers, and that these attack elephants when they gather around watering places, involve them in their "folds" till they fall exhausted, and then devour them." Diodorus, in another passage referring to the crocodiles and hippopotami of Egypt, speaking of Ethiopia and Libya, mentions a variety of serpents as well as of other wild beasts, including dragons of unusual size and ferocity. El Edrisi says: "It is probable that the island of Zanig described by Qazvinius, in his geographical work (for extracts from the vide Scriptorium Arabum de Rebus Indicis loci et opuscula inedita, by I. Gildemester, Bonnae, 1838), as the seat of the empire of the Mahraj, is identical with Zaledj. He says that it is a large island on the confines of China towards India, and that among other remarkable features is a mountain called Nacan (Kini Balu?), on which are serpents of such magnitude as to be able to swallow oxen, buffaloes, and even elephants. Masudi includes Zanig, Kalah, and Taprobana among the islands constituting the territory of the Mahraj." - P, Amedee Jaubert, Geographie d'Edrisi, Vol. i. p. 104,: Paris, 1836 Artemidorus, also according to Srabo, " mentions serpents of thirty cubits in length, which can master elephants and bulls. In this he does not exaggerate; but the Indian and African serpents are of a more fabulous size, and are said to have grass growing on their backs." - Book vi., chap. iv. 16 Iphicrates, according to Bryant, "related that in Mauritania there were dragons of such extent that grass grew upon their backs." "Africa produces elephants, but it is India that produces the largest, as well as the dragon, who is perpetually at war with the elephant, and is itself of so enormous a size, as easily to envelop the elephants with its wings and encircle when in its coiled. The contest is equally fatal to both; the elephant, vanquished, falls to the earth, and by it's weight crushes the dragon which is entwined around it. - Pliny's Natural History, Book viii., chap. xi., translated by J. Bostock and H.T. Riley; Bohn, London, 1855. |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 22, 2006 Views: 532 | RE: Old stuff When is a legend legend? Why is a myth a myth? How old and disused must a fact be for it to be relegated to the category Fairy-tale? And why do certain facts remain incontrovertible, while others lose their validity to assume a shabby, unstable character. Elves, the fair folk. They call earth the Isle of Man in almost all of the older stories. Like the dwarves they are known for forging weapons that do not break easily. Theirs are known to be much lighter though. They keep to the trees and can shape them without destroying them. They were so adept at magic that it is said that the only human magic users have a little elf in them. They are also said to live much longer lives that humans, well over 600 years. No, of course they are gone from this planet. Almost all accounts have them leaving on their great silver ships to go back to their island. (I cant seem to find a name) It almost sounds like they were aliens. Dwarves, Known for their weapons and mining. These are probably gone to of course. The male and female were difficult to tell apart. I dont know so much about them, but they seemed to be almost the opposite of the elves. They mined deep below the mountains, and caved in places they had to leave. They mined to find ore and gems, which may explain how the older kings and queens had more gems and metals than modern day ones, even though they didnt have the technology to create them. Anyway, there are some others, such as the fairies, but they are a little foggy. Some see them as people sized with wings, others as angles, and some accounts have them as little more than gnats that talk. And yes. I really do think I'm crazy for beliving all this. Why go through life sane, lol. |
| Posted By: Greg Posted On: Aug 22, 2006 Views: 521 | RE: Old stuff Okay... when I asked that question I wasn't actually seeking information on this subject... totally useless crap |
| Posted By: Dragonmaster Posted On: Aug 22, 2006 Views: 509 | RE: Old stuff I'm giving is as the next step in starting this thread, not from a request from you. Your last post was totaly usless crap because it offered no info one way or the other on the subject at hand. |
| Posted By: greg Posted On: Aug 22, 2006 Views: 496 | RE: Old stuff If you want to talk about something no one cares about anyway, can you at least shorten it a little? Who has the time to read that... |
| Posted By: adam Posted On: Aug 23, 2006 Views: 490 | RE: Old stuff not really a time issue, its just that everyone knows better when james posts something |
| Posted By: Everyone in the world Posted On: Aug 23, 2006 Views: 488 | RE: Old stuff Seriously Dragon-dude, get a life loser |