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Posted By: impersonator

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1159
Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

It saddens me that my fellow Americans don't partake in the belief that marijuana should be legalized. Time and time again, it has been shown that this plant has so many valuable properties and does nothing except bring joy to millions of people every day. We should not have to worry about criminal charges being brought up for growing our own crops and smoking (or eating) a substance that is virtually harmless. Aren't we, as humans, born with the right for experimentation of ourselves and to explore the boundaries of our hopes, and our desires without being seen as a criminal or a lesser form?!

I know that this message board isn't exactly the place to obtain serious feedback, but I'd just like to know if there is anyone else in here that feels the same way that I do....

peace and love,
rob (impersontor)


Posted By: TDI4me

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1147
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

Have you ever been to Amsterdam? The Dutch have the right idea.


Posted By: carzy

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1139
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about

oh what a nice post you make there you bunch of stoners. I think you are the lazy ****heads. It cant be legalized because too many of you losers will spend all time sitting on a couch in you mom's basement eating all her food. you disgust me and make me sick in the stomach with all your drugs. I feel sad that your grandparents do not have the ability to have you put to sleep like a mangy dog. In closing, kiss my ass.


Posted By: TDI4me

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1137
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

Peace to you, brother. Don't be so uptight.


Posted By: carzy

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1125
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about

maybe you should go smoke your drugs and sit on your couch watching TV all day again like you do every day you addict! Don't tell me to not be uptight. I am good. I am not the one that will be live in mom's basement until I am 43 years old. I am not one who eat all the food all the time. I am not one who live in a smoke cloud laughing at everything no matter how stupid it is. You are like the fat blob thing in Star Wars laying around smoking and eating frogs!


Posted By: Captain Obvious

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1123
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

Um, drugs are bad for you. That's why. End of story.


Posted By: impersontor

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1120
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

but who's to say what's bad and what's good? Many people had thought that being homosexual was a "bad" thing, but it's merely a preference and you don't really have any say in what they do in their day to day lives.

As for the "you're going to be lazy sitting on your moms couch in the basement" statement...well now, I don't know about the rest of you, but when I get baked I LOVE to take nature walks. I feel inspired to do things in life, I see new beauties around me that I haven't seen before.

Now, the "mass gorging on food because of the munchies part"...well now, that's undeniable lol. But with the exercise I get walking about, I burn more than I eat. Plus, isn't that good for the economy? That means that there will be an increase in the profits for the food industry.

Marijuana would also open up many doors in the industrial world. There's so many bi-products that could be made from this magnificent plant.

peace and love


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Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
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RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about

Just because something's bad for you doesn't mean it should be illegal... Look at alcohal, tobacco, fast food, cars, etc. All those things cause plenty of problems and are pretty bad for you, but are legal. The first two are the same idea as pot but argueably worse.
I'm not a stoner, but I'd rather pot was legal just so the underground drug industry would stop. World would be a better place.


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Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
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Stupid people should not be allowed to debate.

"Look at alcohal, tobacco, fast food, cars, etc. All those things cause plenty of problems and are pretty bad for you, but are legal. The first two are the same idea as pot but argueably worse. "

Alcohol and tobacco are not arguably worse than marijuana. They are medically proven worse. Alcohol damages the liver and kills brain cells. A severe alcoholic will die from the withdrawal if they quit drinking suddenly. Tobacco has a laundry list of damage it does to the body. Technically pot has a higher quantity of tar when compared to tobacco but pot users rarely smoke the same quantity as tobacco users so the effects are not as great overall. When ingested as hash, there are no proven long term effects. Temporary side effects such as short term memory loss will clear up over time if the drug is stopped.


"I'd rather pot was legal just so the underground drug industry would stop. World would be a better place."

If Pot was legal, it would not stop the underground trade. The demand for stronger drugs out paces the marijuana market. A drug like Meth is extremely addictive and withdrawal symptoms last 3 to 9 months. A person that jumps into that world is going to have a very hard time kicking the habit compared to Marijuana which has little or no addictive properties. That is going to make the Meth market more lucrative and near impossible to shut down. The world would be no different.


"when I get baked I LOVE to take nature walks. I feel inspired to do things in life, I see new beauties around me that I haven't seen before.
"

Marijuana is a neurological depressant so if you are needing to get "baked" to feel inspired or see beauty in the world, you probably should be seeking some psychological help. All the abused drugs alter and negatively effect brain function. If you feel they provide a source of inspiration or creativity you need to find out what is going on in your daily life that is repressing these natural abilities.



"with the exercise I get walking about, I burn more than I eat. Plus, isn't that good for the economy? That means that there will be an increase in the profits for the food industry."

A walk in the woods burns between 200 and 300 calories per hour depending on your weight and walk pace. Say you get the munchies and eat half a bag of nachos, a bottle of soda, a few candy bars, and a number 3 at McDonalds. That really isn't enough to stimulate the economy but it is enough to require you to spend a good 10 hours walking around to burn that off. Bottom line is it is unlikely you are burning off what you eat.



"Marijuana would also open up many doors in the industrial world. "

There is no doubt that hemp can be used in the production of many products but let's not get carried away. The use of hemp would not open doors in the industrial world. Every product it could provide is also available from other sources.



"Um, drugs are bad for you. That's why. End of story."

Drugs are not inherently bad or good for you. They are just a method of hot wiring the body chemistry. There is always some sort of trade-off. Even "good" drugs have negative effects. Aspirin can damage the stomach. Tylenol can damage the liver and cause meningitis. The argument made against marijuana is that it is used for pleasure and provides no medical benefit. Obviously this argument ignores the fact that marijuana provides pain relief to certain problems such as chemotherapy side effects. It also ignores the fact that tobacco and alcohol are even more worthless and still legal.



"Aren't we, as humans, born with the right for experimentation of ourselves and to explore the boundaries of our hopes, and our desires without being seen as a criminal or a lesser form?!"

First you make the incorrect assumption that we are in fact free. Sure, politicians love to get up and shout about our freedom but the reality is our freedom is a myth. There isn't a single area of our lives that is not regulated by the government. So to answer your question, No you are not born into this society with the right to do drugs because the ruling party has decided you can't. Even so, let's not romanticize things. You do not take drugs "for experimentation of ourselves and to explore the boundaries of our hopes, and our desires". If that was your goal, you could easily accomplish that without taking anything. No, be honest and say it as it is. You want to be able to get stoned because you like being stoned. It feels cool to you. I say if you want to get stoned, go ahead and take your chances. I personally don't like speed limits and never drive them, knowing full well I could get a ticket every time I am in the car.


Posted By: impersontor

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
Views: 1111
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

Wow, I am definately not use to seeing someone here who plays both sides of the fence like that. But I did enjoy reading your argument. However, I think that you are seeing life through black and white eyes, while not looking at this from a self exploratory kind of view.

When I talk about my nature walks and feeling inspired, you went off telling me about marijuana being a depressant. You are right in a sense, it depresses certain waves in the brain. However, did you know that it has been shown that marijuana also stimulates the brain to procure more alpha waves? Studdies have shown that an increase in these "alpha waves" are a big part of brain patterns when people feel happy, or even inspired.

Your comment about the food statement I had made. Firstly, I was joking about the food thing but I suppose that my sarcasm didn't really show through in what I had written. I don't seriously think that it will increase economy just because we buy more food. And secondly, I actually do have a very healthy diet (with the exception of hot wings....cause I love my hot wings....). Plus, I am a very healthy person, I can run circles around any tobacco smoker.

On a few final notes, I believe that marijuana could be a much safer alternative for those who want to get "messed up". Marijuana definately isn't for everyone to use since not everyone has the same reaction to it of course. But for you to say that I only use marijuana for that reason, then you are wrong my friend. I use it to see this world through different eyes, so that I may step out of myself to view everything from a different angle. It takes something that I usually see all the time, and it changes it, it changes the feeling towards how I may percieve it.

We should all be fighting towards having our rights back that were taken from us. Over time more and more rules have been set up just to "keep us safe", sometimes these rules work, other times they take away from who we truly are as human beings and we can eventually lose sight of ourselves. There's so many laws set up now, that we might not turn out to be who we truly want to be.


Posted By:

Posted On: Jan 12, 2007
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RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about

To the guy who called me an idiot, sorry that I didn't want to spend several minutes researching and writing to make a simple point which, while slightly flawed, came across perfectly.
No reason to be so hostile, it's just an online forum.


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Posted On: Jan 13, 2007
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"Wow, I am definately not use to seeing someone here who plays both sides of the fence like that"

It is called being objective. The fact is we live in a hypocritical society where getting drunk or smoking 3 packs a day is acceptable but if you smoke pot you are a degenerate loser. Personally I don't do any drugs, don't smoke, and don't drink but I think a person should be free to do whatever damage they wish to their bodies as long as they are not risking others.




"You are right in a sense, it depresses certain waves in the brain. However, did you know that it has been shown that marijuana also stimulates the brain to procure more alpha waves? Studdies have shown that an increase in these "alpha waves" are a big part of brain patterns when people feel happy, or even inspired."

I am not right in a sense, I am just right. THC is a depressant that slows brain activity. Fast cycle and theta waves are effected (which is what causes the memory loss) and your brain waves switch to a more alpha state. It is not stimulated into producing alpha waves, it causes them as a result of altered consciousness created by the cannabinoids effect on the Pyramidal cells. This is what gives you the relaxed feeling but it is the increased dopamine production that causes the feeling of happiness. All of these mindstates are possible without drugs.




"I believe that marijuana could be a much safer alternative for those who want to get "messed up""

It is safer but it it is a drug and not without risks, such as being high risk for certain lung and mouth cancers when smoked, decreased sperm production and effects on menstration and egg release, and dropping the body's immune system.



"But for you to say that I only use marijuana for that reason, then you are wrong my friend. I use it to see this world through different eyes, so that I may step out of myself to view everything from a different angle. It takes something that I usually see all the time, and it changes it, it changes the feeling towards how I may percieve it."

If you need to tell yourself this to justify your habit, then you continue to believe it but your claimed need for self exploration is easily obtained without use of any external substances. You should be able to get into this state on your own. No, you like getting stoned. You like the goofy way it makes you feel. There is nothing wrong with that. If you enjoy it, just do it and be honest about it. Don't hide behind some crap about seeing the world through different eyes. You can do it much clearer when you are sober.



"We should all be fighting towards having our rights back that were taken from us."

This is where you show you are 19 and still ideological about life. When you get older you will realize nothing will change.




"sorry that I didn't want to spend several minutes researching and writing to make a simple point which, while slightly flawed, came across perfectly."

If you have to research this to make a response here, you shouldn't. I happen to enjoy the complexities of the mind and have studied how it works and how we mess with it. Your point wasn't slightly flawed. It was just wrong.



Posted By: dsg

Posted On: Jan 13, 2007
Views: 1081
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Well you are right about alot of things but your statement of the "facts" show your bias. Ask anyone most "stoners" will tell you their most creative moments were whilst stoned, this is not a justification simply an effect some people have.

"This is where you show you are 19 and still ideological about life. When you get older you will realize nothing will change."

You say your trying to just represent the facts and be objective. This is not objective, it is an insult. It's not your right to tell anyone how to look at the world, your views do not have to be theirs.

"It is safer but it it is a drug and not without risks, such as being high risk for certain lung and mouth cancers when smoked, decreased sperm production and effects on menstration and egg release, and dropping the body's immune system."

Nooone is saying ganja is risk free we all know it has negative effects. One joint has three times the tar/whathaveyou of a cig, well if I smoke a J a week thats 144 cigs a year, which most tobacco smokers could go through in less than a month.

An interesting side not to all of this, THC interacts with the canabanoid recepters in the brain. These reseptors have no other uses.





Posted By: impersonator

Posted On: Jan 13, 2007
Views: 1078
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about it?

I feel as though you are simply making statements based on factual little bits and pieces and that you're not really looking at a bigger picture here as to what this plant does for some of us. People throughout time have found different ways to find inspiration here and there, and this is what has allowed us to progress in our thoughts, our architecture, and just in general out way of life. So to say that the drug does nothing more than provide stimulation to the brain chemically would be a farse, for you also have to look at what the outcome is from this "chemical stimulation".

Oh, and by the way, you were almost right. I am 20 years old and although I might not have as much experience in life as you, my eyes and ears are still well open to new ways and new walks in life.

peace and love


Posted By: dsg

Posted On: Jan 13, 2007
Views: 1077
RE: Marijuana, why are so many closed minded about

Now to all the people that are hating on people that fit the "stoner" sterotype, to sit at home in the basement eating mom's food. I'm not going to say there aren't people out there like that, I don't know everyone but, if these people are out there wouldn't you be happy that you don't have to deal with them? They are effectively shutting themselves away from society so what harm could they possibly be doing to you.

To further backup my previous post (I was in a rush when I hit send) if you really break down legalizing smoking into the pros/cons its obvious how ridiculous ganja laws are.

Pros for legalization:

First and probably the most major point, in some states antiquated mandatory sentencing laws mean your going to jail and staying there for longer than some murders, yeah that really makes sense. This not only clogs up the legal system with unneeded trials but, also fills up prisons to the point where murderers are actually being released on half sentences because there is no room. Florida is a prime example of this.

Next there is the millions of dollars of prime tax money being lost to Columbian dealers. If ganja were legalized the government could tax the **** out of it , thus helping to get out of the enormous debt we're in.

Unregulated production of ganja leads to a wide disparity in quality. Some weed is so bad that infact it is laced with poisonous materials harming those who smoke it(yes this could be turned into a pro prohibition argument but, it is obvious people won't just stop smoking and the government is supposed to protect you right?).

I could go on and on but frankly I'm running out of will and time so on to the cons

Cons to legalization:

Health problems are at the top of the list (and perhaps the only con) ganja is the least toxic of all the drugs out there that get you "****ed Up" first and formost. Compared to smoking tobacco there is no comparison, tobacco is addictive and smoked in greater quantities than ganja. Even though a joint contains 3x more tar than a cigarette the majority of weed users don't smoke anywhere near as much as a tobacco smoker.

Theres a few other minor ones but, I'm out of time if you post 'em I'll refute them :P


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