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| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1353 | I appologize... I appologize for anything bad that I've ever said about the 80's. Before I use to think that the 80's was a horrendous time with bad haircuts and nothing more, but now that I look at it I see that the 80's was one of mankinds most remarkable times EVER, it was such a beautiful era full of revolutionizing people that pushed the boundaries on thought and culture. I guess that I was just jealous. I'm so disappointed with my generations music and style right now, I mean cmon...Hip-hop? Wtf is with that music?! What am I suppose to tell my kids (if I was ever to have kids) about what made our generation so unique? "Ohhh kids, uhmmm, we had a really ****ty president that did nothing but lie and betray us and we just took it up the ass, our music sucked and all it sung about was bitches, hoes, and how we worship the almighty dollar. And the other music known as "punk" just tries to get people to reinact that dumb ass american pie movie. Other than that, practically everyone was fat and nothing major happened with the exception of us losing two buildings in New York and lots of people dying...." What the hell people?!!? Do we really want this to be the mark of our generation?!?! I sure as hell don't! I've got a totally new respect and love for the 80's, and damn it I'll do everything I can to implement part of that into todays culture and to start a new revolution, even if it means that this new revolution is going to include some weird looking (but cool as hell) hair cuts. So people, when you're driving to work roll down your windows and crank up some Depeche Mode or some Motley Crue, some Erasure, or whatever you found from that era (with the exception of that "we can dance if we want to, you can leave your friends behind song)and let it roar with your permmed hair! peace and love |
| Posted By: Hal Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1338 | RE: I appologize... Easy-E released "Boyz In The Hood" in 1988. Compared to that (with apologies to NWA), rap and hip-hop have gotten a lot smarter. Tupac used to rap about the social problems of drugs, class, poverty, and violence (like the ones you lament), 4th25 is made up of soldiers who released an album from Iraq (check out the blog on their website; intense stuff), and Kanye (of "the president doesn't care about black people" fame) had the guts to say what a lot of people were thinking about the president's inability to save a city from the al-Qaeda-like threat of standing water. There's much more to rap these days than "guns and hoes." Now, I'll put 80's POP music ahead of today's pop any day.....but maybe that's because I was a kid then and didn't know any better. But, walk around a college campus, look at what the kids are wearing, and try to tell me the 80's aren't on their way back regardless. I think it'll be a long time before you see any "Flock of Seagulls" haircuts....but the more mainstream stuff is back. Be forewarned!.... |
| Posted By: Hal again..... Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1336 | RE: I appologize... Also, while Reagan was being a more triumphant figure than W behind his excellent speechwriters and propagandists, he was ignoring the growing AIDS crisis and setting the US up for foreign policy and economic messes that we're still in today. But now I'm sounding preachy, so I'll stop.... |
| Posted By: Max Headroom Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1331 | RE: I appologize... Apology accepted. |
| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1327 | RE: I appologize... given there are exceptions in almost every genre of music, the majority of hip-hop is introverted views focusing on gloating. Some of them do actual put some soul into it and make a catchy tune (there's some rap that I do enjoy, but very little), other than that its voice is doesn't carry much of a representation for our generation (me being 20). I was really hoping that techno/trance would have made a MUCH bigger impact on my generation, but saddly enough it's hip-hop that's the mainstream. Todays "pop" music is just downright horrific and it doesn't die out for a lonnnnng time, it's almost like all that boy-band stuff was put on a respirator and nobody has pulled the plug yet. peace and love |
| Posted By: Hal Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1316 | RE: I appologize... It's sad, dude, but as long as there are 12-year-old American girls, there will be boy bands. I'm a little older (almost 30 - when the hell did THAT happen?), and I remember wondering when New Kids on the Block were going to die out. But it's like some kind of monster from an old Sinbad movie: you cut off one head, and three more sprout! BTW - I dig the "peace & love"....too much negativity out there! |
| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1310 | RE: I appologize... ah, good point with the whole New kids on the block thing. Where did it all go wrong though? What was it that pushed us into this crappiness where bands no longer had a Unique sound? I really thought that Orgy was going to push us into the next genre (they're one of my favourite bands!), but unfortunately I think they came out wayyyy too early, in fact I still think that their music is way ahead of our time. I do have hopeful outlooks, I bet that once George Bush finally leaves office that things will start to go on the up and up. Unless of course he just gets replaced with ANOTHER George Bush kinda person. I'm not just trying to say "ooooh, evil president!!! Hate the president!!!", I just really feel like he's not made a positive impact on our society, he hasn't been a good representation of Americas voice and he's totally ****ed up what other countries think of us. When I lived over in Stockholm people enjoyed greeting me and they loved having someone around like that since they didn't really see us daily, but on the same token they hate our guts because of our president and the way that he makes us look! I'm proud to be an American Citizen because our countries original ideals were to become a large melting pot, but now, our countries beauty is hidden behind politics that are so caught up in secrecy that it's hurting us. You can't do anything nowadays without keeping yourself in check constantly, and that whole "Patriot Act" bill that came through!!! What the **** is with that ****?!!?!?!? There's so many police nowadays on the streets that if you look at them wrong they'll find a reason to give you a ticket. This is not life! There IS such a thing as TOO much security! It's just like if you set up a bunch of permission denial on a network and encompassed the whole thing in 5 firewalls, yes most likely nothing will happen to your network, but at the same time nobody can do anything, nobodies happy! peace and love! (I'll keep on saying this no matter what, that should always be kept in mind, thanks for your support hal) |
| Posted By: Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1299 | RE: RE: I appologize... The only thing that has really changed is your perspective on life. Go through any period of time and a majority of the music is all the same. It just doesn't seem that way now because only the best survived the test of time. There have alway been 'boy bands'. Before New Kids you had Menudo. Hell, the 60's had The Monkees and they didn't even play. Girls loved Davey Jones. There is still a ton of good music being made. Get Satellite radio and you have tons of good stuff to listen to. If you have iTunes you can listen to a lot of independent and techno music there. As far as politics, the climate is not much different now. The pendulum swings left or right over time but nothing new is happening. Look back through history and you will see the same things happening since the start of the country. Look into the Grenada invasion and Reagan announcing victory long before the medical students were rescued. In the 70's you have Watergate. In the 60's you have Vietnam. In the 50's you have Joseph McCarthy. In the 40's you have WWII internment camps. This continues on to the start of the country. Take a look at Alexander Hamilton's history. It sounds like you are starting to see the myth of American Freedom. You are not really free to do much at all and that is nothing new. Having spent time in Sweden you should have seen that many European countries have more liberty than we do here. Like I told you before, you will be idealistic and think that things can be changed but you will outgrow that. |
| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 11, 2007 Views: 1295 | RE: I appologize... excellent! I was hoping that you'd come back! You definitely have the ability to make me look at things through a different light and for this I thank you. Unfortunately it does seem like some of the things you say are not to prove a point, but rather so that you can degrade the person, but beyond that I like your views. I'm realizing something though, it seems like the chance to have a revolution and really change things around here is slipping further and further from our fingertips. People are becoming more and more divided with their surroundings and are becoming more reliant on others to do the fight for them. I'm involved in an internet radio show here in Lakewood that is trying to handle such affairs. But just in general, I guess what I'm trying to say is that the majority of the population just flat out doesn't give a dam about what goes on in the backround that impacts us all. They just want to live their lives by driving to work, having kids, and dieing! Given there are still many that fight for what they believe in, but most people are lazy and they've had all the inspiration sucked out of them when they look at the overhead of what it takes to get things done now. It seems like the 80's style, and their music reached people in a very deep way and woke them up. Music in a country is very much a part of the peoples voice and holds the responsibility of making a representable mark upon their generation. Our music in this era is not holding a voice for us, and it most certainly (in my opinion atleast) does not give us a very strong mark upon this era. Thankfully the Red Hot Chili Peppers stuck with us and Depeche Mode is still kinda there in a way. I guess I need to go pick up my bass guitar again, bring out a mic and have at it. I've been playing that ever since the 4th grade up until HS graduation. peace and love |
| Posted By: Hal Posted On: Feb 12, 2007 Views: 1288 | RE: I appologize... There was a great article in a recent Esquire magazine by Chuck Klosterman about the impossibility of a revolution in America, and how the founders would feel about that. I strongly recommend you read it; Klosterman has an interesting viewpoint. Understood, politics swing left and right....but the stakes right now are very high. You think anyone kicking around Rome in the fifth century before the Goths showed up knew they were on the edge of serious disaster? North Korea keeps saying it wants nuclear technology to feed its people. Now, I was in the Army in Korea, and I believe that. Because the DPRK economy sucks. But once they have nuclear capability, we're not going to be able to slap 'em around like a little kid-nation anymore. We'll HAVE to take them seriously. Granted, it's a roundabout way to feed your people, but I can see how getting listed on an "Axis of Evil" could make you go "all-in" against our cowboy president. I'm less familiar with Iran, but I really believe they're playing the same angle. Frankly, before we went all cookoo-bananas invading countries, Iran was a very liberal and modernizing country. Nothing quite like destabilizing a region to put an extremist in power. We had a chance to make Iran our buddy - they had way more to lose, being local, from a destabilization - but we decided instead to be the irrational ones. Is it an accident that people in Europe consider us more dangerous to the world than NK or Iran? |
| Posted By: Hal Posted On: Feb 12, 2007 Views: 1243 | RE: I appologize... There's a lot of very socially-conscious indie rock out there. Check out www.musicforamerica.org for some good examples. Better yet (at least for ME), check out MY band....www.myspace.com/fridaysangst....not a lot of social/political push on the forst few tracks going out to the public, but that's coming!... |
| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 12, 2007 Views: 1238 | RE: I appologize... thanks Hal, I'll definitely check out that article and your band, I'll let you know my thoughts on those two (given that I can find that article). Even though our government has had somewhat of a pendulum effect, that pendulum seems to be swinging farther and farther, if it goes too far, then someday that pendulum is going to snap. There's just such an imbalance right now between the publics voice and a politicians voice. It almost feels like we've been shut out from any say in our government. But, I'm alive and well so that's a positive outlook, and life could be a lot worse...none the less, I'm still going to push forward towards making this a better place, we owe it to the earth to keep it as a nice place to be for all that it has done for us. peace and love |
| Posted By: Posted On: Feb 12, 2007 Views: 1236 | RE: I appologize... Sorry if I sound like I am trying to degrade you. That is not my intention. I'm all for you thinking however you want. If your convictions are strong, nothing I could say would dissuade you. I just find it amusing and a little nostalgic. I remember being twenty and thinking like you do. It is a lot like when you ask a ten year old what he thinks of girls and he says yuk. You know his thinking will change when he gets older but for now nothing you can say will make him believe that. The pendulum is not swinging anywhere near as far as it has in the past. We aren't even close to the extremes of prohibition or McCarthyism. Don't over think the 80's music. I love it and all but never did we sit around thinking about how deep it was. It was just a refreshing sound and made great dance music. Same with U2. I like to listen to them but I could give a shit what Bono thinks about anything. Most people are that way. |
| Posted By: impersonator Posted On: Feb 13, 2007 Views: 1229 | RE: I appologize... *takes a big wiff of the air* do I smell a little irony in the air? Lol! You're telling me that you're not trying to degrade me, but yet I'm being compared to a 10 year old....hmmmmmmmm, when you compare a 20 year old college student to a 10 year old child that doesn't know any better....let's see here, 20 going down to 10, isn't that a "degrade"? Lol I'm just pulling your strings, your comments don't offend me in any way, but you gotta admit I did just catch you on that one! Nothing disuades me from my goals, I'm as solid as a rock when it comes to that. I do however, try to take into account others inputs to further that goal towards something better. I'm getting kinda tired of thinking about politics as a swinging pendulum, so let's change it to....oh I don't know, uhmm, how about an aging piece of cheese? Right now, that cheese is so old that it needs to be thrown out of the window before we all catch some kind of funky disease. The 80's muzak, yes it definitely is great to dance to and just all around listen to. When I look back on the 80's era it did spark something in the general population, its vivid new style embarked the voice of change into the world. The gay community wildly came out into the publics eyes, people felt comfortable in implementing a new funky style. All of the people that I know that are older than myself have clearly had a very positive impact in their lives due to that eras ways. The 80's music reflected upon these people, which in turn did have an impact on politics. People stood out in the streets and rallied more during that time then any other time (well, the 60's, and 70's might have been a slight exception with all the war stuff). The 80's rallies were for a LOT more than just simple anti-war rallies. Bono....wow, uhmm that guy....I'm really happy that he's been getting involved with politics in some way shape or form. He seems like a really great guy, but other than that...ya, not much doing there. It's always great to have some kinda peace supporter though, so no quams with that little spliff. peace and love |
| Posted By: Posted On: Feb 13, 2007 Views: 1222 | RE: RE: I appologize... You missed my point there. I am not saying you are ten or act ten in any way. I am simply trying to find an analogy that you can relate to and since we have all seen kids act that way it fits. My point is that there is are behavior patterns that we all exhibit at certain ages. Little kids hate the opposite sex. 20 year olds are idealistic. I am sure you have looked at a little kids saying he hates girls and laughed, knowing he probably wouldn't think that way when he is older. I grew up in the 80's both in the Midwest and in California (L.A.) and they were nothing like what you think they were. We didn't care about politics. We had 8 years of Reagan and 2 years of Bush. There was no more protesting or demonstrating than there is today. As a matter of fact, at the time our generation was labeled as being all a bunch of little Alex Keatons, only interested in making money. Gay lifestyle was still not accepted. It has only been in the past decade has that had any real advances into the mainstream. Yes, the punk scene exploded and you had a lot of wild expression and all that but they were still a fringe group that most people never saw. We all owned a Clash album but we didn't care what their political statement was. We just thought it sounded cool. I don't really have respect for someone that tells me what I should be doing with my money while getting int oa private jet. |
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