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| Posted By: Amateur_Researcher Posted On: Jul 5, 2009 Views: 2582 | Camera Ban Cameras SHOULD definitely be allowed, PROVIDED that there is no flash used. The use of a video setting should certainly be allowed. |
| Posted By: Colin Posted On: Nov 4, 2008 Views: 2810 | Camera Ban When I visited the CT archive in 1999, cameras were allowed but I didn't have one then. So I copied all the info down with a pencil. Seems to me you can do a LOT more damage with a pencil than with a digital camera with no flash. And when the folk there SCAN the document, that's VERY intrusive since it uses a strong beam of light. This makes NO sense at all, to ban flashless cameras. So this means that the archives have discovered a new way to make money. QED |
| Posted By: Sigi Howes Posted On: Oct 27, 2008 Views: 2184 | Archives Camera Ban Most digital cameras have a 'Text' setting which does not use a flash and is therefore not harmful to the document, which I think may be the Archives' main concern. If I take a photograph on this setting, the advantages to me are obvious: I can study the image later at my leisure without numerous time-consuming trips to the Archives. The benefit to the Archives is that the dicument thereby is handled less, thereby lengthening its life. |
| Posted By: frustrated researcher Posted On: Oct 24, 2008 Views: 2079 | cameras They should be allowed. If you can get a copy why can´t you just photgraph it or have it e-mailed. It makes researching very time consuming and expensive, especially for the amateur, like me just trying to trace your family tree. You find you have to pay for everything. Copies, access to certain sites. If the info is freely available you should not have to pay for it. |
| Posted By: James Anderson Posted On: Sep 11, 2008 Views: 1943 | digital cameras I live in East London and spend a year collecting leads that eventually require a visit to the Cape Town Archives. I have found these people VERY pleasant and helpful. So it came as a big surprise when a ban on cameras was imposed. How can the British Records office in KEW London England allow cameras but nut us. We are WAY behind in the cyber world of archival capture. Offers to help the archives I believe has been made and turned down. This always happens when egos are involved. People do make a living from archival research, which is unfortuneatley a fact of life. It is a service that peopl like myself are in need of. Why is geneaological research in this country made so difficult? |
| Posted By: Former S.A. person Posted On: Mar 8, 2008 Views: 2253 | General Geneology Research in S.A. Just a comment from some one who lives out of Africa. I have tried many times to obtain certificates from your National Archieves and the replies I have been sent from those over there are disgusting. One person obviously did not even read my email and replied the Physical Address of the Petoria Archieves is ..... I had asked how did I go about applying for a certificate. Another email I was sent from another Government Department when I requested a Vault Birth Certificate was an attachment to the email asking me my ID number and asking for R1,000 before even responding if the certificate could be obtained. The certificate in question was for someone who was born at least 75 years before the ID system was in place. I now have given up on approaching any South African Government Department and am relying on kind friends in the geneology world to help me in my quest. Reading that they will not be able to take cameras into the Cape Archieves puts yet another hole into my the research of my South African ancestors. All I can say is congratulations to anyone who manages to find a Government Department in the New South Africa who knows what they are supposed to be doing. |
| Posted By: Marielle Posted On: Nov 11, 2007 Views: 2470 | Banning of digital cameras Some of you have made very valid comments on this notice board. I would recommend that you take the time to put pen to paper (or fingers to keyboard) and let the archivists themselves know how you feel. You will find relevant addresses and contact details on www.national.archives.gov.za |
| Posted By: smuts Posted On: Oct 8, 2007 Views: 2518 | Digital cameras in archives Having visited the Cape Archives from the UK in February, I was astounded at being told that I would have to return two weeks later to collect any copies ordered! If it hadn't been for my digital camera I would have had a wasted trip!! Come on - get into the 21st century! |
| Posted By: David Sutcliffe Posted On: Sep 30, 2007 Views: 2285 | Cape Archives Camera Ban This is a disgusting limitation on our constitutional right for free access to information. Can anyone check out the legal position? What I think is ridiculous is that they are still living in the dark ages - unable to provide copies in any electronic form! Why demand that these records are supplied on paper? Why not email them to us? Or supply them on a memory stick? This definitely looks like some government official wagging their finger, rather than consulting with users and looking for a democratic solution to a perceived problem! |
| Posted By: Julie Shapero Posted On: Sep 24, 2007 Views: 2097 | HERITAGE DAY - GIVE THIS SERIOUS THOUGHT PLEASE ON THIS SPECIAL DAY - OUR NATIONAL HERITAGE DAY I BESEECH THE POWERS THAT BE TO DESIST FROM TAKING THIS TERRIBLE STEP AGAINST OUR HERITAGE AND HISTORY. LET US CONTINUE OUR FLASHLESS DIGITAL IMAGE RESEARCH AS WE HAVE BEEN DOING. IT IS FAR LESS HARMFUL TO OUR PRECIOUS HERITAGE THAN PHOTO COPIES AND MANHANDLING THE MATERIAL ARE. Our HERITAGE IS THE WINNER AND THAT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT. Why do the POWERS THAT BE, REQUEST that PHOTO IMAGE RESEARCHERS make a duplicate CD copy of their records with a relevant ID number. These can then be presented to the Archives, for them to start their own Digital Archives. WOULD THIS NOT BE A MORE SENSIBLE WAY OF ACHIEVING VALUALBE CO-OPERATION BETWEEN ALL CONCERNED. This could solve a number of problems. 1. THIS WOULD BE THE BEGINNING OF THE SOUTH AFRICAN ARCHIVES OWN DIGITAL ARCHIVE COLLECTION FOR FUTURE ACCESS FOR EVERONE. AND IT WILL HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY THE VERY PEOPLE THEY ARE TRYING TO CROWD OUT WITH THIS INSENSIBLE NEW LAW. 2. MINIMISE THE HANDLING OF FILES AND DOCUMENTS 3. FREE THE ARCHIVE MATERIAL FROM THE SERIOUS DAMMAGE UNDOUBTEDLY CAUSED BY PHOTO COPYING - OFTEN IMPOSSIBLE TO READ. 4. [WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLES MINDS???] PHOTO COPIES ARE THE WORST WAY OF HANDLING AND FORCING LIGHT ONTO DELICATE RECORDS OF SUCH VALUE. 5. WE WILL AVOID THE EXTREEME LIKELY-HOOD OF ERRORS BEING MADE WHEN TRANSCRIBING. 6. MINIMIZATION OF AN OTHERWISE VERY TIME CONSUMING EXCERSIZE OF TRANSCRIPTION. 7. MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR THE RESEARCHER TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING OF VALUE GOES UNNOTICED. 8. THE PROCESS IS FAR LESS, HARMFUL AND DAMAGING TO OUR DELICATE HERITAGE. 9. THE QUALITY AND PERMANCY OF THE IMAGES WILL BE MOST VALUABLE INTO THE FUTURE. 10. THE FINAL RESULTS ARE IMESURABLE BUT I AM CERTAIN THAT WE WILL GO FORWARD PROTECTING THE ARCHIVES UTIMATELY RATHER THAN DAMAGING THEM. 11. SHOULD THE POWERS WISH TO HAVE HELP IN TRAINING THEIR STAFF TO CONTINUE THE WORK WE ARE DOING, I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY WILL GAIN ASSISTANCE FROM RESEARCHERS TOO. FINALLY: If it is purely that this shocking step is being taken WITH AN EYE ON THE MONEY. It is a DESPERATE shame for our DESCENDANTS AND ANCESTORS. Be honest and share the decision with the special people who actually have OUR HERITAGE AT HEART. Be reasonable, and ask us for a nominal fee if needs be, I doubt that we would be happy to pay R5-00 for a day of photographing, (knowing that it is the least of a bad thing), than R00-80, per copy each of which means ruination to the precious documentation. THINK HARD ON THIS HERITAGE DAY!!!!!!! A WRONG CHOICE COULD BE THE DEATH KNELL FOR OUR FUTURE ARCHIVAL RECORDS |
| Posted By: Rob Hart Posted On: Sep 17, 2007 Views: 2127 | ARCHIVES CAMERA BAN The use of digital Cameras does not damage the documents so why ban them????? My only reason is that the Department wants to make money out of us. So why not rather charge an admission fee rather than charge for documents. I feel that if the archives start making copies at a fee it will do more damage than harm. Like that would make things worse. Ok if the Archives need to raise fund why not use other means. I cannot help to think that they are becoming more greedy |
| Posted By: Shelly Posted On: Sep 17, 2007 Views: 2093 | New charges I dont mind paying for copies of files, but what happens if the single file I need contains only one page Ill be laughed out of the bank for sure for trying to deposit just 80 cents (or dragged out by security for wasting their staffs time). |
| Posted By: Allan Southern Posted On: Sep 17, 2007 Views: 2086 | Camera Ban I can understand the need to preserve the documents in the archives, and to protect them from bright light, but surely special filters can be designed to reduce the damaging effect. Or the use of low light photography without a flash. A simple camera mount above the reading table will stabilize the camera. But to ban cameras??????? I am so proud to be a South African!!!! |
| Posted By: Lynette Oakes Posted On: Sep 17, 2007 Views: 1988 | Camera Ban I agree with the comments already made. I think the South African archives are the most difficult from which to get information. Very little is available on line, when ordering copies of documents one has to wait months for their arrival. And here in UK one has to go to South Africa House in London to pay in sterling and collect the requested copies. With a camera ban in place South African researchers will no longer have time to do favours for those of us who cannot get to any of South Africa's archive repositories. Bureaucracy!! |
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