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| Posted By: ED Posted On: Nov 13, 2002 Views: 2722 | domesticated dolphins How is the use of a dolphin in war any different then using a dog a horse or even a pigeon. Sure a dolphin is not domesticated but what makes that different than a dog. A bomb detector dog does not go in search of bombs because it has a choice it just wants that toy its going to get at the end of the day. Just as the dolphin wants that fish reward. Do you think that horse wants that 200 pound man sitting on its back. No he just wants to be out somewhere eating grass. Basic my thing is that domestication makes no difference if an animal can do a job that can help us as a people it should be allowed. I personal train police service dogs for a living and if I could I would us an undomesticated animals such as a wolf although a german sheperd is far easier to work with. |
| Posted By: The Yes Man Posted On: Feb 6, 2003 Views: 2710 | RE: domesticated dolphins YES |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 3, 2003 Views: 2695 | RE: domesticated dolphins It is totally inaproppriate for the military to utilize dolphins for war purposes. The dolphins and sea lions that are used are subject to imminent death. That is, most do not return from their 'mission'; they often explode along with the attached weaponry. Unlike domesticated dogs and other animals that are trained for search and recovery or illegal substance detection, who are postivley REWARDED for their behavior, marine animal's ultimate reward is their own death. This is not acceptable and if the general population was better educated about this very disturbing subject, most would not approve. Additionally, this gives anti-war proponants another substantiated reason for their beliefs and efforts. |
| Posted By: Ken Waldroup Posted On: Mar 25, 2003 Views: 2683 | RE: domesticated dolphins You people need to study the facts and do some thinking first! Anytime an animal can be used to work along side humans to save human life there should be no question, (think about it). These dolphins are treated and cared for better than if they were in the wild. They are trained in the open ocean and can leave at any time. In 30 years only 7 dolphins have never returned to their enclosures from the open ocean. While in captivity the US navy has a better survival rate with Dolphins than they do in the wild, because of their excellent care. The Dolphins are not blown up or killed, they only tag mines for a diver to locate it with. They also patrol the waters for enemy swimmers that are there to set explosives. They notify their trainer so an armed navy guard can handle the situation. You should be proud of such a program and how it helps to protect our service men and women so they can allow you to live in a country where you have the privilege to put them and their programs down if you want to. I have never been in our US military but I am proud of every one that has been. Thank you and keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Posted By: -={HS.B}=-Ko0paDETH Posted On: Mar 25, 2003 Views: 2674 | RE: domesticated dolphins They bow up with attached weaponry!?!? So we put rocket launchers on dolphins huh? Maybe we mount grenade launchers and PPC cannons on they're battle armor? And implant their eyes with robotic replicas containing aiming, navigational, and communication hardware eh? I went to sea world a little while ago, and saw how they do it. they teach em to jump out of the water and they target with the robo eye and unleash they're massive ordinance upon the unsuspecting enemy. then they explode. |
| Posted By: pearsale Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2658 | dolphins should be used YES the dolphins are trained and rewarded the dolphins do not explode you stupid anti-war people. I feel that we should do what ever it takes to defend our country. I also feel that these dolphins might be smarter than the protesters. the protesters need to stay at home so the police do not have to go out and watch these people. They need to stay home so the police can defend our homes and country instead worry about some protesters. Yes i feel that dolphins should be used in war. |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2647 | RE: RE: domesticated dolphins Unfortunately you are twisting someone's very valid opinion as an anti-war, anti-troop, anti-government agenda. Please be more intelligent than that!!! Do not shadow the issue with your rhetoric. No where was it stated that my comments were anti-war...were they????? No they weren't! You just assumed this without merit. However, once again, our military is utilizing dolphins and sea lions for purposes that are unfare to these animals. No, they are not rewarded at the end of their mission with fish, they ARE sent to their death with each mission. This is factual. This is my issue and I believe it is wrong. Pleas stop spinning it into something else. I have friends who are currently serving MY country and I am very proud. Do not mix that with my opinions regarding the unfortunate death of what I consider to be beautiful marine life. They are two separate issues. However, you choose to conveniently assume that I am anti-war, anti-troop, etc. You are wrong. Please do not assume - that is dangerous and shows ignorance and intolerance...something we are currently fighting overseas! |
| Posted By: Charlie the Tuna Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2644 | RE: domesticated dolphins Dolphin Lover, you have GOT to be joking. You can't POSSIBLY believe that the military will spend the vast quantity of money it takes to train a dolphin, just to let it get blown up with a mine. Can you? I sure hope you don't truely believe that. Anyway, they are using the dolphins to FIND the mines, not disarm them, or chew through the tether holding them to the bottom, just FIND them. Jeez! There is NO difference between a bomb/drug sniffing dog, police horse, mine finding dolphin, etc... It's just in your mind. Please remember that Flipper was just a glorified pet, not a long, lost, brother, and he didn't really save that little boy in every episode, or solve complex riddles, or catch the bad guys. It was just a TV show. |
| Posted By: Charlie the Tuna Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2642 | RE: domesticated dolphins That was very funny -={HS.B}=-Ko0paDETH, I nearly sprayed soymilk through my nose when I read your post. Because the dolphins work in/under water, don't you think that a GauseRifle would be more practical than a PPC? How many hardpoints would a WarDolphin have anyway? Would they be Omni, or dedicated Beam or Balistic? Thanks for the laugh. |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2638 | RE: domesticated dolphins Dearest Charlie the Tuna...I've never seen an episode of Flipper but apparently you've spent a vast amount of time doing so. However, my friend, you have chosen to assume something that was not written, i.e. the Flipper association. Thus ignorance rears its ugly head once more. YES, dolphins and sea lions ARE used in missions that end their lives by our military. Once again - factual information for you to eschew. Not every single dolphin and sea lion that the military has trained is used in these missions, that is correct, however, hundreds will be during this war. Charlie, was there ever a t.v. show about a sea lion? You didn't mention one but I bet you would know! |
| Posted By: JC Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2634 | RE: domesticated dolphins Hey Dolphin Lover, Read the facts, nobody is changing this into anti war protest on your part. Fact is that they are using the Dolphins to quickly and easily locate mines and NOT DIFUSE THEM, BUT to mark their location so divers can come get them later. Pay close attention. WHat is the difference between the dolphin searching out a a mine and a dog sniffing out drugs and bombs. Did you know that dogs are made addicted to these drugs so they may locate them with ease? Bet you didn't know. I kept a drug sniffing dog for awhile, and the agency which I can't name provided all the food for that such reason. Dogs are made dependant of the drugs so they can find them. Go bitch about that cause there are over 100,000 dogs in the US under these conditions, while it's 4 dolphins in the Persian Gulf who are helping clear the path for humanitarian aide to get to innocent civilians. |
| Posted By: JC Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2632 | RE: domesticated dolphins BTW, those suicide missions are old news. That was back in the days and not done anymore. More cost effective and time effective to not do that. How about this for you to chew on. Did you know palestineans are using animals as homicide bombs? Yep, they recently put bombs on a donkey and had it walk up to a bus and blew it up using a cell phone. Go bitch over there, our dolphins are being treated humanely. One more thing, our dolphins are in open waters and since they are probably the smartest animal in the world, you can figure they would leave if they didn't like it. Well, they come right back to the boat buddy. Take a chill, support the cause. |
| Posted By: just me Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2614 | RE: domesticated dolphins I seem to remember hearing on the news that there were ONLY 7 dolphins currently trained to do this. I agree that the military wouldn't go to all the time and expense to train dolphins if each one could only dispose of one mine. I believe the truth of how they are treated probably lies somewhere in between those who say they are abused and those who claim the methods are completely humane. The philosophy of animal training has changed alot in the last 50 years, leaning much more towards positive reinforcement. I believe positive reinforcement (as opposed to punishment) makes the dolphins more reliable. Smart animals need mental stimulation. Many pets have behavior problems because they are bored. To the dolphins, it's just a game with a food reward. I am not naive enough to believe that there has been no mistreatment, but I believe for the greater good it is necessary. As a side note, for some eye opening stories on how the Iraqis live visit www.womenforiraq.com |
| Posted By: JSohn Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2609 | RE: domesticated dolphins I think that it is horrible to do this with any animal or human. I dislike that when dolphins are used people respond with more empathy than when another animal is used, but even if it is a dog or a horse or a chicken, I think it is cruel and lowers us as spiritual beings. |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 26, 2003 Views: 2597 | RE: domesticated dolphins Yup, most of you are correct. There are many, many other types of animals that are being used legitimately. That is, they are rewarded for behavior we humans train them for. Legitimate drug sniffing dogs are NOT given the drugs to make them dependent and thus perform better at sniffing out the dope. That is absurd- giving them drugs makes them LESS relient. And yes, any animal that is used for selfish human purposes is a spiritualy unnerving issue. But, once again...I am reiterating just one disturbing fact. Dolphins and sea lions ARE being used in missions where they die. That is a fact. Are they being used in missions where they don't die? You bet they are. That is NOT my issue. Some think dolphins are sooo brilliant that they would just 'swim away' if they didn't 'enjoy' what they are doing. How absurd is that? Dolphins are more easy to train than ANY animal there is, including dogs. Why don't they leave? Two reasons: Because they are rewarded for behavior that they are taught UNTIL their FINAL mission, AND because they naturally develop such an unusually close bond with humans. And yes, Donkeys in Palestine 'wired' with explosives for suicide missions is disgusting in every sense... so what can be done to change any of this or is it just the way it is so get over it? Comments please! |
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