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| Posted By: pearsale Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1233 | dolphins aren't getting hurt dolphin lover you don't have any facts about what you are talking about you stupid tree hugger. i will provide you with some facts In an effort to clear deadly mines from the waters around Iraq, coalition naval forces are using underwater, flippered friends equipped with cameras and specially trained to spot mines. The lurking explosives are a threat for the military patrolling Iraqi waters, but these underwater searchers are helping divers ensure that the coastline is free of danger for humanitarian aid shipments on the way to the southern Iraqi port of Umm Qasr. On Thursday, thanks in part to the dolphins, the first shipments of aid reached the shores of Iraq. Dolphins are trained in swimmer defense, meaning they look for enemy divers, and in mine hunting, according to Tom LaPuzza, public affairs officer for the Navy's Marine Mammal The dolphins will use their sonar to seek out mines, which may have been planted on the seabed by Iraqis. Regular sonar hardware is less effective than the mammals' highly tuned natural abilities, LaPuzza said. And U.S. Navy Captain Mike Tillotson said the safety of the mammals, coming all the way from San Diego, Calif., is a top priority. "They were flown over on a military animal transporter in fleece-lined slings," Tillotson said. "We keep them in a certain amount of water. They travel very well." The dolphins have been trained not to make contact with the mines but to place a marker near them. Human divers remove the mines. K-Dog, the bottle-nosed dolphin pictured, is part of the multinational Commander Task Unit 55.4.3 and is conducting missions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom, and will continue to patrol the waters off Iraq. The U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program began in about 1960 when Navy scientists began studying the mammals' hydrodynamics in hopes of improving torpedo, ship and submarine designs, according to the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command Web site. Soon researchers found that dolphins and sea lions had other assets that would be helpful to the military -- dolphin sonar is unmatched by man-made equipment, and sea lions are used because of their sensitive underwater directional hearing and low-light level vision. The Navy holds that the dolphins are well cared for. "They are operating in their natural environment. Mines don't go off when dolphins go by them," said LaPuzza. "The environment is not dangerous." The dolphins are accompanied by their military handlers, Navy civilian trainers and veterinarians. it is said these dolphins will find thousands of mines |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1222 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt Obviously pearsale, you have your facts mixed up. First, I don't hug trees...and I am not stupid,in fact my IQ most likely is much higher than yours...SO because the first sentence you wrote was totally incorrect, then I am to assume that the rest of what you wrote is bogus as well. Quoting the military on how they say they utilize dolphins is like asking you whether you are angry by my comments. Duh! Ask Tom Lapuzza if ANYdolphins and sea lions are sent to their death and listen closely to his answer. Once again, not all are being destroyed but a majority are. |
| Posted By: pearsale Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1220 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt listen stupid ass go to www.fonxews.com and type in military dolphins and read some of the articles. |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1217 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt Oh pearsale - such anger! First - my ass isn't stupid AND secondly, my ass can't listen...SO once again you are innacurate with your facts. I've read just about every article there is on the subject - yes, I might have a stupid ass, but I CAN read! Amazing - huh???? Anyway, you are boring me so...check out http://www.ukdiving.co.uk/ukdiving/conservation/c698/ and get real! |
| Posted By: mb Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1213 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt Well Done Dolphin Lover... I couldn't have said it better myself... |
| Posted By: not a hugger Posted On: Mar 28, 2003 Views: 1208 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt I think there are a few issues that most people fail to consider. First, the water quality and general environmental conditions of the waters the dolphins are deployed in may affect their health. The Navy dolphins would be susceptible to water-borne pathogens that they have not previously been exposed to. Second, our soldiers are in Iraq and surrounding areas because they chose to be. They chose to enlist. These dolphins are there because they were captured by force from their natural habitats. The only alternative is that they might have been born to a captured dolphin. I think it is quite ironic that a war with intentions to liberate people from a dictator uses "captive" mammals under a "human" dictatorship. The trainers say "which other dolphins each dolphin can associate with" "when and what they can eat" and deprive them of their basic freedom of choice. Sounds a lot like Sadaam's regime to me. Also, what most people don't realize is that wild dolphins have a unique, dynamic social structure that is in stark contrast to those animals living in captivity. They often travel hundreds of miles a day forming fluid associations with other individuals they encounter. Again, captive animals do not engage in these natural behaviors. I hope that the use of these dolphins in the war draws attention to the greater issue of keeping marine mammals in captivity altogether. If people would take a step back from those deceptive "dolphin smiles" and understand the ecological and behavioral complexities of these wonderful animals, they would soon realize that captivity is a selfish act on our part. |
| Posted By: pearsale Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 Views: 1201 | RE: RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt stupid liberals the goverment wouldn't spend millions of $ on an aminal and kill it |
| Posted By: Dolphin Lover Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 Views: 1194 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt Thank you 'not a hugger'. You are exactly right. As far as the government spending money on training dolphins and sea lions just to kill them is comparative to the government spending $700 on toilet seats. Now that makes a lot of sense!!! Ha ha Except dolphins ARE living, breathing animals AND many would say that they are alot smarter than many humans....hmmmm...OOPS that comment must be the 'liberal' in me coming out! So Sorry! |
| Posted By: me Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 Views: 1192 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt BY GOD ARE YOU STUPID!!! (Dolphin Lover) Have you ever heard or sarcasm and expressions??? I totally agree with the other guy on this one..... god ur SUUUCCHH a dumb ass!!!!! figuraltivly not really |
| Posted By: cat Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 Views: 1187 | RE: RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt "stupid liberals the goverment wouldn't spend millions of $ on an aminal and kill it" stupid human relying on FOX news for your "intelligence" reports. YOUR government has spent millions on it's humans and is currently blowing them to smithereens in iraq. a non-human animal is "collateral damage" (a dispicable term if there ever was one), just as the humans are considered so. don't drown in the spin. you can save your own life as well as others, human or non, if you are conscious. |
| Posted By: Melanie Posted On: Apr 4, 2003 Views: 1144 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt I'M NOT A TREE HUGGER YOU IDOT. |
| Posted By: Jacob Anderson Posted On: Dec 2, 2003 Views: 1121 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt only "me" and pearsale. and FOX is not the only one deffending our position, got to CBS or the liberal station CNN and read for your self |
| Posted By: Kathryne Kimball Posted On: Feb 23, 2005 Views: 1104 | RE: dolphins aren't getting hurt 'Wow' is my first reaction to this group of posts. Lets see.... my first comment for Dolphin Lover is this, I considerably doubt that you have read even 1/3 of the articles and information availabe on this topic. And, even if you have, you haven't necisarily read them. Reading something that you have already made up your mind about will not help you get other facts. If you have already decided that you want a certain thing at any cost, it will be very difficult to change your mind. So try to keep you views open to what other people think. Also, i do agree with you that getting all of your information from the Navy's Public Affairs Officer would be silly. It is, however, a primary source, and is a good source. But it is also very biased, as is anything you read. However, it is the most likely to be true because he does work in the program. Someone who does nothing but speculate about what the program does is not as reliable as someone who works in the program. You should ALWAYS look for more than just a few source. and always be open to other ideas, as well. My next comment is for not a hugger. If someone were to go out to the middle of the Atlantic ocean and dump one bucket of chemicals into the water, one year later (at the most) you could go to any shore on any ocean and test the water for that chemical and be positive, at least to some degree. So your argument about water quality is illogical unless the dolphins are transported to a completely different body of water that is not in any way connected to the ocean from which they came. water-born pathogens are water born. and due to this, they will be in all waters connected to it. It is true, however, that there may be a difference in temperature. It has already been decided, however, that the Navy is not to transport an animal into a severe change of temperature unless it is absolutely necissary. If this necesity occurs, the dolphins will of course be conditioned in order to be able to survive effeciently in the new environment. The navy program has set up its own breeding program and due to this does not generaly capture the dolphins from the 'wild.' however, regardless of whether the dolphins enlist or not, they can easily leave if they wanted to. The dolphins are trained in open water. That means that any time they want, while in open water, they could remove themselves from the horrible life of the Navy giving them free food and them being able to spend the excess time saved from not having to hunt socializing with one another instead. the opportunity for them to leave is there. In the history of the program, less than ten dolphins have not returned from open water training. Obviously it cant be that bad. One comment for Cat. I thank God everyday that there are patriotic humans in this country that will fight to protect my freedoms. Not only will they fight to protect mine, but they will fight to protect the freedoms of others. Those people I hold in the highest regard. Yes, some of them die. But at least they had a chance. The people in the Pentagon and in the World Trade Center didn't. They had no chance to live. And I am truly thankful that I live in a country that will protect its citizens, rather than just accept what other people do to us. |