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Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 9, 2004
Views: 2588
Interesting pages...

We seem to agree on many points but disagree on trivial crap like the moon landing...

I just don't believe it...

I was serious about he Grimlin Patterson film. It has withstood scrutiny for decades. It has not been disproven. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the various accounts of a large apelike biped on earth. Do you think there are any?


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 10, 2004
Views: 2586
RE: Interesting pages...

I do not consider that the moon landings are "trivial crap".
I do consider that silly stories about Big Foot is trivial crap. It has been shown to be hoax since the hoaxer that started it all has now died and his family have admitted the hoax.
If you like that sort of junk try the Art Bell web site, its full of it.


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 12, 2004
Views: 2581
RE: Interesting pages...

Hmmm. Interesting. You have little-to-no knowledge about the outrageous amount of proof (hair samples, feces, film footage, recordings, cast of footprints and bodyprints and numbers of accounts by reputable people) gathered throughout history on the subject of Sasquatch. Amazing how the accounts and physical evidence are still happening today, AFTER the death of the man supposedly responsible for creating this hoax throughout the world (according to you.) The creator of the Yeti, Yowie, Skunk Ape and BigFoot is dead, yet the accounts are still occuring... Funny how the man responsible never said he did it, but his son did... Don't condescend on things you know nothing about... stick to your Moon Landing Beliefs... your "pick and choose" methods of knowledge intake are disconcerning.

Are you happy to see that Bush is bringing up a moon landing to take focus off of Iraq.

Why not, it's worked before...

Wake up - The USA never landed on the moon. Like the Space Shuttle - they would (NASA) have been back to the moon over and over again. Space shuttle has gone up and back numerous times, and we have lost lives very recently... What does this say? How many moon landing were there??? I've read your site, and see no legitimate reason for not returnign to the moon, and obviously if Bush says space station on the moon... well...

Never happened. Believing in the moon landing is like believing there is ONE PERSON responsible for every bigfoot account ever recorded...

Joseph Smith, Moses or your government... They all have something to sell. Looks like you bought the Book of Moon Landing...


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 12, 2004
Views: 2579
RE: Interesting pages...

You amaze me.
You talk of the "outrageous amount of proof" in connection with Big Foot yet refuse to believe the "outrageous amount of proof" that men walked on the moon! How do you manage that?

Tell you what. Let's save a lot of time - and guesswork on my part - and you simply tell me what it would take to convince you that the moon landings were real.

So, over to you, what evidence would convince you?


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 12, 2004
Views: 2577
a return visit...

I amaze you?

Yet, landing on the moon apparently doesn't?

I am very anxious and excited for the "next" moon landing. I don't care who it is... If other nations start trying to enter the moon's atmosphere, there will be input...

I think it will tell alot. I really do not get the lack of interest towards the moon... I've never understood why other nations don't feel the need to go to the moon. Haven't we set that as a hurdle?

until now... I guess... right? Now we are interested in the moon once again and are looking forward to building a space station on it... Hopefully, within the remainder of my life, the world will get to see another moon landing...

It's just that it's been 30 years... and the Space Shuttle has been the next thing on the list, which given its track record, isn't as successful as landing on the moon - which is a much bigger and better feet.

NASA has been moving backwards in space travel. We've gone from traveling from Earth to the Moon TO flying up in space and hopefully making it back down...

What's so hard about making a landing strip on the Moon and shuttling up there and back...



Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 13, 2004
Views: 2574
RE: Interesting pages...

I asked you what it would take to convince you that men have walked on the moon.
You haven't answered.


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 14, 2004
Views: 2569
A return visit...

A return visit...


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 14, 2004
Views: 2566
RE: Interesting pages...

Why is it that trying to get specific information from a hoax believer is like trying to get blood out of a stone?
Your reply of 'a return visit" tells us nothing.
What proof - that would satisfy your definition of evidence - could a second visit possibly provide that the first hasn't already provided?

Your reply should prove interesting.


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 14, 2004
Views: 2564
What I find interesting is...

your labeling of me as a hoax believer.

I consider you the same. A hoax believer.

I believe in truths, not hoaxes. I also believe in getting people fired up over their passions of debate... Afterall - has the moon landing produced absolutely nothing, but this debate? Wasn't it just a waste of time and money? What did we get? A bunch of pictures, some rocks and bragging rights of landing there FIRST!

On the front of MSN.com right now, there is famous pic from this series and headline reads Back to the Moon by 2015. The article goes on to say, and I quote,

"President Bush proposed on Wednesday to develop a new spacecraft to carry Americans back to the moon as early as 2015, and to establish a long-term base there as an eventual springboard to Mars and beyond."

AND

"The Crew Exploration Vehicle would put humans on the moon as early as 2015 and no later than 2020, Bush said. The goal would be to have humans “living and working there for increasingly extended periods of time,” he said."

Why so long? The first mission took place alot quicker.

What's wrong with the stuff that worked before? Why build a new spacecraft for this? If it ain't broke, don't fix it, or is more like, hell, we better actually do this this time.

The exciting thing is, I should be alive for all of this... and I'm holding Bush to those dates. No excuses. We've been there before... should be cake w/ no live lost. Hopefully your site is still up so you can say I told you so...

but it seems I'm getting my proof. A return visit in front of a much more skeptical audience...

If NASA does not meet the 2015 date, I wonder what your response will be. Surely you would consider the previous landing a total sham.







Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 14, 2004
Views: 2562
RE: Interesting pages...

I fail to see why whether or not another moon landing is achieved has any bearing on the validity of the first moon landings. It doesn't.

You say "but it seems I'm getting my proof. A return visit in front of a much more skeptical audience...

Is this what this is all about? If they did it again you are so smart that you would know if it was a hoax or not, whereas the first time around the entire world was populated by idiots. I see.
Thank you for sharing your valuable insights with us.

Perhaps now you should concentrate on Big Foot as there is "outrageous amount of proof (hair samples, feces... " I just wonder how you know these things ARE from Big Foot as nobody has ever captured a Big Foot to compare with? But again, you being so super smart and the rest of the world so dumb you would know the answer to that. No, please don't bother to explain, not interested. Go to Art Bell, They have a whole Message Board devoted to it, and you will find lots more like minded geniuses there.



Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 15, 2004
Views: 2559
Idiots?

Not the whole world.

Just people like you...

Wag the Dog baby.

As far as Sasquatch is concerned... If the government can fool you into a moon landing, surely a large man ape can fool you into believing it doesn't exist...

I hope your comfortable in your couch. Seems you spend alot of time there...

PS: It's coasttocoast.com, not the Art Bell website or artbell.com. That site went bye bye. See, your knowledge is subpar about everything. The more you broaden your horizens and learn both sides of an argument, the less of an idiot you will come across as... Try it.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 16, 2004
Views: 2553
RE: Interesting pages...

You have still not answered my question, hoax believes never do, they just change the subject.

What evidence could another moon landing provide that would prove to you that the first was real? You said another landing would convince you, but fail to say how.

Perhaps you have finally realised how stupid your argument really is. You have dug yourself into a hole and can't get out of it.

You are such a fool.


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 19, 2004
Views: 2543
Another Moon Landing

could provide a camera shot of us approaching all of what was left behind from the first visits...

Moon vehicle, flag... landing base. That would convince me... A simple shot of the American flag as we approach it. Anything to prove that we were there before.

Good enough - or are you going to reiterate the same crap you have the last 5 posts...

Talk about weak. Hoax believer...


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 19, 2004
Views: 2541
RE: Interesting pages...

So all you need as concrete proof that we went to the moon is that when we return to it you want to see photos of the original landing sites and you would be convinced.

That's very clever of you as you believe the first photos were faked. If they were faked then any subsequent photos showing the same scenes would obviously also have to be faked, they couldn't possibly be genuine. The alternative is that we did go the first time and the new photos now prove that, proving that you were wrong.

Either way, how could you possibly tell if the new photos were fake or not? With today's technology it would be impossible to tell, you would simply have to trust NASA. So how do you get around that when you think they are a bunch of liars?

So the new photos will be meaningless as evidence as far as you are concerned because you didn't accept them the first time round so it would be silly to accept them the second time around.

This is why I said you were foolish. There is no evidence that can be supplied that has not already been supplied. None whatsoever.

Think about it.


Posted By: NONBELIEVER

Posted On: Jan 21, 2004
Views: 2536
that's just it Keith...

Mark my words...

We will never "return" to the moon...

Never... Not in my lifetime. Not in yours...

If they attempted it now, we'd lose lives.

SO I'll fill the lines with something you want to hear (film footage of our decent onto the moon capturing moon vehicle and American flag), but the reality is, we won't go to the moon... THAT would be foolish. It would unveil the lie.

ps -I'm rather surprised our government didn't plant weapons of mass destruction over there...

matt


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