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Posted By: Fred

Posted On: Aug 17, 2006
Views: 1191
Death of the lunar landing hoax.

For those of you who are undecided about whether or not the lunar landings occured read on. Others may read as well.

The first question I would ask is "Do you trust your doctor?" he/she is a person who is an expert if you trust them it's probable you are likely to trust other experts. 'Experts' rely on data gathererd by scientists as well as the experience of engineers and a lot of input from mathematicians.

THe second question is "Do you believe man can put anything in space?" If your answer is yes then skip the rest of this paragraph. Still here? ok on a dark clear night have a good look at the sky (let your eyes become accustomed to the light), you must do this as the last rays of the sun dissappear over the horizon (not sunset)now keep watching and every ten minutes or so you will see what appear to be stars moving slowly across the sky - these may be satelites or planes, to tell the difference: Satelites appear to fly in straight lines, they do NOT have flashing lights, they do NOT leave vapor trails, and they are silent. Ok these items have only been seen since the late 1950's when the satelite era began. You have a satelite dish which points to the sky if you go to france or spain look where their dish's are pointed, also to the sky BUT a different (higher)elevation. With a bit of physics in radio engineering you can personally prove what I have said. IF however you do not wish to study the physics of radiocommunications then you should trust the experts just like you trust your doctor. There are web-sites which will tell you when these satelites will appear and roughly in which direction and elevation if you would like to watch them. - Just type 'iridium flares' into your search engine.

OK Hopefully at this point you have decided man is at least capable of putting something into space and that if not then you know which subjects to study to prove it for yourself.

The next thing is to show man can live (sorry survive) in hostile environments, no real proof needed here just a few examples - Submarine (ie under the water), close to the rim of an active volcano. At the top of mount everest.

At this point in my text I suddenly realised that there is an even simpler proof!

James Alfred Van Allen was a brilliant engineer/scientist whom is credited with the discovery of the Van Allen radiation Belts. James was an Employee of Nasa. Now if Nasa were to have faked the moon landings (which were a conceptual possibility BEFORE his discovery) They would presumably ave 'silenced'
him and kept the discovery a secret. The russians only embarked upon a programme of verification of existance of these belts AFTER nasa diclosed their existance. If you use as an argument that astronauts would be zapped whilst passing through the radiation zone then you clearly beleive NASA that the belts exist.

In such a case I or anyone else need only say "Prove the existance of the Van Allen belts"
but since you do not believe NASA you may NOT use any material from them. since you believe all scientists and the russians are 'in on it' you may not use their material either. When you come back and can prove the belts exist I will show you how to use your new found knowledge skills, powers of logic and reasoning to prove man landed upon the moon.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Aug 17, 2006
Views: 1188
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

Very good Fred.
However, do not expect the hoax believers to understand your argument because they are too dumb to follow what you are saying.


Posted By: Fred

Posted On: Aug 17, 2006
Views: 1184
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.


Keith, I don't think you do the cause any good by publicly calling people dumb irrespective of their intellectual inability to grasp reality if you know what I mean. I well remember my grandfather at the age of 88 (in 1970) refusing to believe they had gone to the moon, he was far from dumb though, it was simply his failing mind. My interest in Science came directly from him. The group who do not beleive in the lunar landings basically fall into 3 groups. THe first and most obvious is the writer of books for profit. The second (and excusable) are a great number of people who are ignorant to science. THe third group are those who have wasted their education and have no excuse. They are merely childish individuals who cause mischief. In the UK there is a great hatred of clever people you know the terms, 'smart alec' 'too good for his boots' etc etc 500 yrs ago such clever people were usually branded witches and killed, what has changed??.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Aug 18, 2006
Views: 1177
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

If someone comes on and says it was a hoax because, for example, they can't see the stars in the lunar surface photos I am perfectly entitled to call them dumb.
I have explained in some detail on my main page why the stars do not show on the lunar photos. I tell them not to just take my word for it but to test what I say for themselves and I give detailed instructions on how to do it. Full details are given on my main page if you are interested.
If after all that they still insist the stars should be visible then they are obviously dumb.
That is their problem not mine.
If they don't like it they can take they stupid ideas elsewhere.
What is wrong with the world today if you are not allowed to call an idiot an idiot?
If you want true PC,regardless of the facts, then you have come to the wrong site.
Goodbye.


Posted By: Fred

Posted On: Aug 19, 2006
Views: 1168
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

I just thought that for the few percent of people who genuinely might be open to persuasion calling them 'dumb' would immediately switch them off. Of course you don't care what they believe or how intelligent they are, to some people it may seem perfectly logical that if the sky is black you should be able to see stars THAT IS THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE ON EARTH - and you know it! - what they don't know or understand is photography!
how many times have you seen a stadium with thousands of camera flashes? are they all DUMB because they should know a flash is only suitable for few metres and therefore need not be used?


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Aug 19, 2006
Views: 1166
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

Re the camera flashes in a stadium. Yes we have all seen them but there are a number of reasons why this may be so.
1) The flash illuminates the crowd near the camera and thus gives the image some interest and depth
2)Some cameras, the cheaper snap shot kind, are automatic and the flash cannot be turned off.
3) Some people do not realise that the flash will not light up distant objects.

In this example you would have to say that some people are unaware when to use or not use a flash. This however does not make them stupid, it just means that they are ignorant of some aspects of flash photography.
If however it is fully explained to them, they are shown examples and given a full practical demonstration, and they still insist on using the flash to illuminate the distant players, then they switch from being ignorant to being dumb.
This point I make in some detail at the start of my main page.
Some people really are dumb, and everyone knows this. Pretending they are not gets us nowhere.
I do not force anyone to come to my site and post a comment.
If they do not like my reply too bad, I will not lose any sleep over it.


Posted By: Grant

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1155
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

I agree with Keith, If people are incapable of applying some simple commonsense then I believe them to be dumb. Some of the daft things that are said by people who support the Moon Hoax Theory are just so stupid they just have to be so ignorant and dumb. Even when you explain to them how they are wrong they still choose to disagree, this is because they are to god damm dumb!


Posted By: Fred

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1153
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

There is nothing to say I disagree with either of you in principle I merely would not call them dumb.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1151
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

I think that it comes down to a question of definition when I call someone dumb.
I do it when having explained something that is an undeniable fact, such as heat travels through a vacuum for example, and they just continue to insist they are right because it doesn't.
I have had this actual argument and when I point out that the heat from the sun has no problem travelling through a vacuum to reach us they still refuse to see the truth and say I am wrong.
In my book that makes them dumb.
If the term offends I make no apology. I call a spade a spade and someone who is dumb I call dumb.


Posted By: BIll Cooper

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1146
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

Oh this is Phuck**g brilliant - all on the same side and STILL arguing! - Fred if this is the true you and not all that other 5hit then it looks to me like your case is so well put NOBODY from the other side has turned up to challenge you! Keith, I think you could learn a lesson here.


Posted By: Bill Cooper

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1145
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

... Deep Breath..

Keith,
Technically heat does NOT travel through a vacuum - Electromagnetic waves travel through a vacuum heat is merely the manifestation of electromagnetic waves upon whatever they crash into where they may be absorbed to produce ultimately, heat.

Heat travelling 'through' something is conduction.

OK OK I know, semantics.....



Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Aug 21, 2006
Views: 1143
RE: RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

You are correct


Posted By: Quiet observer

Posted On: Sep 12, 2006
Views: 1093
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

Well not to spark any more arguments here (not), I'd have to say that Fred is right in the regard that you shouldn't insult people so blatantly because that will turn them away from leaving any posts at all. It may just be me, but I thought this message board was for people to leave comments and questions. I wouldn't like to think that no one leaves posts because of insulting comments from Keith.

On the other hand, however, I agree with Keith when he says he absolutely has the right to call a pole, a pole, and a stick, a stick. If we can't do that, then there is definitly something wrong with the world. But in the sense that this is a message board and that people come here to leave questions and comments, then maybe insults isn't the proper way to go about it. (Again shifting focus). In addition, if the guy who is leaving the post is utterly incapable of having any sense whatsoever (as Keith describes above), then there is nothing wrong with calling that DUMB person DUMB.

So to summarize...You are both right, so give yourself a pat on the back and tend to your loved ones. Bye.


Posted By: passer by...

Posted On: Jan 5, 2007
Views: 1044
RE: Death of the lunar landing hoax.

What a well thought out piece in the oginal post, Not a single word has been challenged,
seems to me that the lack of debate in this thread means those who deny the landings have no argument.


 

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