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Posted By: Daniel F

Posted On: Feb 28, 2009
Views: 1767
No conspiracy just fraud

There was no conspiracy just mass public deception.The Americans saw a landing on the moon as imperative at all costs to show their "superiority"It was irrelevant who was to be duped,silenced or coerced as it really was a case of National Security.
At the time tv was still easily controlled, people viewed it and believed.Why wouldnt they?.The control of the medium was in the hands of the stations and the pictures or "link" from the lunar lander were controlled by NASA.
TOTAL CONTROL OF THE IMAGES BY NASA.
A handful of people only needed know of the fraud and their lips are sealed for life in the interests of the United States of America!


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Feb 28, 2009
Views: 1764
RE: RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Only a handful of people needed to know? Have you actually thought about that? Obviously not.
NASA would also have needed to control every radar station in the entire world as well, and every amateur radio operator, and every astronomical observatory.
NASA must have bought the silence of 1000's of people in many different countries around the world, many of them very anti American!
If you think that happened then you have a serious problem. You really ought to give the matter some intelligent thought.


Posted By: motley crue

Posted On: Mar 1, 2009
Views: 1757
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Hey Keith, I see you're still dealing with this kind of stuff.


Posted By: keith Mayes

Posted On: Mar 2, 2009
Views: 1753
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Hi motley,
Yep, it´s never ending. Its a great way to pass the time though.


Posted By: motley crue

Posted On: Mar 9, 2009
Views: 1741
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Well, It improves debating skills. xD


Posted By: Stacey

Posted On: Jun 2, 2009
Views: 1693
RE: RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Regarding the supposed moon landing events: the comment about NASA having to control all the monitoring points outside of NASA which would have been near impossible as being proof it took place is still doubtful because the monitoring points which were not a part of NASA may not have had such capability once the astronauts left the earth's atmosphere (only able to see and hear the astronauts exit out and entry into the earth's atmosphere). The rest of the time for each mission would be out in earth's orbit like the shuttle today, only NASA at that time would be able to track it(everyone else wouldn't know exactly what they were monitoring) once the spacecraft got far enough out in orbit around the earth. This part is easy enough to keep in house just look at the Manhattan Project to develop the A-bomb it involved thousands in a compartmentalized way on a need to know basis.
I think there may be a definite way to prove it one way or the other using the scientific method without shifting the burden of proof on those who doubt it to conclusively prove to 100% that it didn't happen-which is impossible. The burden of proof is always on the one who makes the claim that an event occurred to prove it 100%. It is like me stating superman just flew behind you-now you prove to me to a 100% accuracy that he didn't and until you do it will remain a truth regarding my claim that he did fly behind you. See how silly such a situation can be for those on both sides of an issue when expectations are presented in such a way.
My idea using independent verification which is a part of the scientific method is this: there are amateur telescopes which one can buy around $3,000 to $5,000 that can see up to approximately 1 square mile of area on the moon. Just look up the coordinates where each landing took place and see if you can see a moonrover. The astronauts supposedly left them there on each of the moon trips with the exception of one time out of four trips. In fact I would be willing to offer a reward to have someone show me with their amateur telescope (my guess is if I went to an observatory in an attempt to do this it would be resisted by those who operate them as against protocol, especially if it is government funded in any way? Am I being too cynical in such an assumption? Thanks for hearing me out!


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 2, 2009
Views: 1691
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Stacey,
You happen to be wrong on just about everything you say:
1) No telescope in existence, not even Hubble, is able to resolve an object on the moon as small as an Apollo lander. I own a telescope myself, it cost a lot more than 3,000 dollars, over 6,000 in fact, and has no chance of resolving an object that small. An area of about a square mile is roughly the smallest detail I can see. None of the Apollo debris is more than a few yards across.
2) Observatories. Many observatories open their doors to the public on certain days. If you ask to look at the moon and the Apollo landing sites they will be delighted to show you. You will soon realise why it is impossible to see the apollo debris!
3) At that time a great many radar installations around the world were able to track the Apollo craft all the way to the lunar surface, and many helped NASA. The Russians were also able to track right down to the lunar surface, that is how they KNEW it was achieved and were unable to say it didn´t happen.
4) The Manhattan Project only involved a small handful of people working in top secret. The Apollo project on the other hand involved hundreds of thousands of people and was done in the full glare of the world wide media.
5) The burden of proof. They have supplied conclusive proof they landed on the Moon. Unfortunately some people are unable to understand it is proof. The claims of it being a hoax are all due to ignorance, the hoax believers do not understand what is involved. For instance, they - like you - believe that large earth based telescopes should be able to see the landers left on the lunar surface and claim it´s a big conspiracy that they are not allowed to look for them. Nonsense, they cannot be seen by any telescope. All other claims are also due to ignorance.

What you have to understand is that the moon landings COULD NOT be faked, even today, it was, and still is, technically impossible. The trouble is you cannot convince the ignorant.


Posted By: Stacey

Posted On: Oct 1, 2009
Views: 1489
RE: RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Keith,
Regarding points #1 and #2 thank you for responding back and clarifying about the capabilities of amateur telescopes. I agree with you on these two points. Yes, no telescope whether amateur, observatory, or Hubble can see any result of landings. Still, the burden of proof remains on you not me as far as these tools are concerned because of their limited nature; not because of any ignorance or stubborness on my part. I also stand by this claim regarding the LRO (Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter) which I go into more detail on in comment #579 if you google the blog LRO Bad Astronomy, by the way it is a pro-manned moon landing site.
Regarding point #3, audio and video signals can be manipulated, so this is not true independent verification. When a magician fools thousands of people in the audience, does it mean what he did was real just because everybody believed it? All due to his great skill in tricking them or perpetrating a fraud.
Regarding point #4 the concept of compartmentalization still stands. It is very possible for military missions to occur on a need to know basis involving 100,000+ or any number you want to put on it of individuals working on something real like the Manhattan project or a fraud like the manned moon landings.
In fact, people doing parts of it which are workable like the lunar lander/moonrover (correction from earlier comment-used on 3 of the 6 claimed manned moon landings) could easily think they are part of a bigger project that is also workable (since an individual can actually drive one tested on the earth). It is therefore easy to believe for an individual working on such a big project that the whole thing is legitimate. So in the example given, when they claim based on their limited perspective which is real that the bigger project is also real it is very easy for those who haven't been a part of the project to believe it even more without any true independent verification taking place. It is called being brainwashed!
Regarding point #5, my burden of proof is not so high as to not be convinced of something occurring. I do believe through independent verification, a part of the scientific method, in such things as airplanes being able to carry large amounts of people to different parts of the world. This is agreed on by everybody because of the thorough independent verification from neutral witnesses or testing by multiple sources like those providing the service and from those using the service that the claim is true (unlike the magician analogy given earlier). In this way such events are proven to have occurred and continue to occur.
Thanks for considering these points!


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Oct 1, 2009
Views: 1484
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

You do not understand, and that is the problem. It does not matter what I, or anyone else says, you are too ignorant of the facts of the matter to realise that your arguments are wrong. For instance, you say that audio and video signals can be manipulated, but this was in response to my remarks regarding radar, there is no similarity between the two, and I never even mentioned audio and video signals!
You even argue that it is necessary to supply proof that it happened before it can be believed. How screwed up are you? It happened, it´s history, the whole world knows it, apart from a handful of cranks. If you think it was faked it´s up to YOU to prove it was a fake. Do I have to supply you with proof that 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazis or do you accept it? What, in your weird mind, constitutes proof?
Check out this site and try and get a few facts before coming back with even more nonsense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories


Posted By: Martin

Posted On: May 26, 2011
Views: 1068
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

Who are you Keith? Unless you have been to the Moon don't tell everyone that it happened like you were there and you know the complexity of it! you don't. You are the ignorant bastard who believes everything because you have nothing else. If the U.S. didn't do it that would probably end your world of the U.S. being the top dog. I wonder what it was like in your family to figure out (spoiler alert!) Santa doesn't exist oops my bad you probably still beleive it loser! haha!

I like these debates because sheep like you will never recognize that it's more than possible they may have faked it! whether they did or didn't you only beleive one thing. Thats why you suck


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: May 26, 2011
Views: 1066
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

You are so ignorant you are pathetic. Get a brain.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 27, 2012
Views: 930
RE: No conspiracy just fraud

You are entitled to think whatever you like, just try not to make yourself look a right idiot.


 

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