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| Posted By: john Posted On: July 24th Views: 472 | lunar equipment hi, you got too emotional about me and closed my previous post too early, sorry. look: 1) russian rd-170 4-chamber engines (invented for the moon travel, as such) are the most powerful ones now and are purchased by nasa. no one can build anymore 1-chamber engine of the same power (as von braun claimed to have done). 2) temperature of the objects on the moon in the shade is about -150 C which would make impossible for the lunar rover batteries to work unless some active thermal control was used. from the disclosed schemes we see that the batteries were just closed with a thermal blanket and a dust cover. 3) the lunar module was never ever tested for landing/ascending in the conditions of non-zero gravity (moon gravity is 1/6 of earth but not zero). harriers were built by the other company that did not use nasa "findings" whatsoever. if we want to have a vertically ascending jet device we will go to harrier-companies, not to nasa. 4) lunar rover was never tested in the extreme temperature conditions, 5) well, the tests of lunar module/rover were the actual use of this equipment on the moon. 6) you tend to see the technical side of the apollo project purely through the ideology lenses. forget ideology. we just want to repeat the technical side. but we see more problems than solutions. my point is that the whole technological advance (if there was any) was simply lost. 7) you talk about scientists as the discovery channel or something. there are many highly professional scientists out there and general public has no clue how scientists work and what they really do. you tend to be a bit superficial about all this. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 24th Views: 468 | RE: RE: lunar equipment 1) "russian rd-170 4-chamber engines (invented for the moon travel, as such) are the most powerful ones now and are purchased by nasa." The Russian RD-170 is out of production and is NOT purchased by NASA. Where the hell do you get all this crap from? Comic books? Unbelievable! 2) "temperature of the objects on the moon in the shade is about -150 C which would make impossible for the lunar rover batteries to work unless some active thermal control was used." Yes, it was me that gave you the temperature, remember? So you, being a genius scientist (a hint of sarcasm) know for a fact that the lunar rover batteries could not possibly operate at those temperatures? Well done, they did in reality use a big rubber band. 3) "the lunar module was never ever tested for landing/ascending in the conditions of non-zero gravity" You idiot!!! How the hell could they do that without going to the moon to test them? It would be a bit late for testing by then wouldnīt it? Give me strength! 4) "lunar rover was never tested in the extreme temperature conditions," This is yet another one of your amazing facts that you know for sure is it? Like NASA buys its rocket engines from Russia. How stupid are you? 5) "well, the tests of lunar module/rover were the actual use of this equipment on the moon." ER..I think you will find they were pretty much tested before they sent them all the way to the Moon. (NO donīt bother testing the rover guys, just load it on the Lunar Module, it just means that if it breaks down a few miles from the LM they will die. No big deal. And no, donīt test the LM either, I think it will work alright, if it doesnīt there are plenty more astronauts waiting for a chance to go.) I find it hard to believe just how stupid you really are. 6) "my point is that the whole technological advance (if there was any) was simply lost." Is that right? I think NASA are doing a pretty good job servicing the HST, putting rovers on Mars, launching endless Shuttle trips to the space station, sending probes across the solar system, etc. etc. 7) "you talk about scientists as the discovery channel or something" Not at all, only to say that unlike you they are not stupid. How many more stupid points do you intend raising before you see the developing pattern here? You come out with so much crap I honestly find it hard to believe that anyone, even a hoax believer, can be so stupid. |
| Posted By: john Posted On: July 24th Views: 466 | RE: lunar equipment hi, great to hear from you again! sure, everything i said about the rd-170 engines is true. nasa will have to use the complete russians rockets from the next year, as you probably know. the biggest mystery is instabilty of the 1-chamber engine with the equvalent power. nasa has no answers of how von braun actually did it. anyway, i see that you just make fun at this website. in fact, maybe you are a "hoax believer", aren't you?? :-) i guess in such social phenomena (like hoax believing) it is a very hard to distinguish who helps whom to exist. amateur "scientists" like you are the hardcore of those hoax believers. anyway, you know exactly what i mean about the lack of tests. you are absolutely right, the lunar rover wasnt just a car, the astronaut's surviving was very much depending on it when they moved a bit away from the lunar module. the lunar module is also a mystery. have you ever heard that they threw away any ballast from it?? they took off some equipment and put back some stones. but what about the gravity center of this fascinating flying platform?? we know how delicate the harrier plane is. 1 kg of the excentric weight can kill a pilot during the vertical ascending. anyway, i was just trying to tell you that the damned batteries dont work in our lab at -100C. and the temperature distribution on the lunar rover was, and still is a mystery. we will need to spend 3-4 years on modeling to find out. nasa will need some 10 years and more billions just to repeat what they supposingly did in the 60s. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 24th Views: 462 | RE: RE: lunar equipment You are a such an uneducated and ignorant fool, apart from being an inveterate liar as well. Go away, you are a waste of space. Have you not noticed that you have not attracted a single response to all your posts, despite attracting a number of viewings. The reason is no one is interested in your non-stop garbage, I only respond as it is my site and I feel I have a duty to. However, I have gone above and beyond, you are on your own. You really are a complete idiot. |
| Posted By: john Posted On: July 24th Views: 460 | RE: lunar equipment i know, keith, you are a hoax. why do you keep this website running? only to satisfy your ability to insult people? it doesnt matter how many people have reacted to my comments (all what i said is a bit too complicated for hoax believers), it is important that you understand that i may be right. my strength is that i am NOT a hoax believer. i just want to see all this from the position of modern technology. unfortunately, we are as far from the moon now as we were before the apollo mission. from this point of view, it was an ideological project, rather than a technological one. this is the only thing that i m trying to say. how old are you? why are you so insulting? dont worry, everything will be fine... see you on mars :-) http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_people_insult_other_people |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 24th Views: 456 | RE: RE: lunar equipment You just donīt get it. You come out with complete nonsense and I have shown how every claim you have made IS complete nonsense. For instance, just one pitiful example of yours: "sure, everything i said about the rd-170 engines is true. nasa will have to use the complete russians rockets from the next year, as you probably know. the biggest mystery is instabilty of the 1-chamber engine with the equvalent power. nasa has no answers of how von braun actually did it." 1) NASA is not buying the Russian RD-170 engine for its rockets. 2) NASA will not be buying them in the future, the RD-170 is not even in production any more. 3) NASA buys all its rocket engines from within the USA. Rocketdyne made the Saturn V engines and now makes the Space Shuttle engines. 4) Von Braunīs Saturn V booster is not a mystery, it could be again made by Rocketdyne if needed, but technology has moved on. All those errors are from just one of your daft comments and despite your gross ignorance you expect us to believe that you are a "relatively well known scientist"! Give me a break! You even claimed you were testing lunar rover batteries at minus 100C, as stated below: "anyway, i was just trying to tell you that the damned batteries dont work in our lab at -100C. and the temperature distribution on the lunar rover was, and still is a mystery. we will need to spend 3-4 years on modeling to find out. nasa will need some 10 years and more billions just to repeat what they supposingly did in the 60s." Now what would that be all about then, testing the lunar rover batteries? Where did you get them from then, a second hand shop? You have already claimed that NASA is withholding information about them so you cannot now say they gave you a battery to test! (I must be dealing with a complete idiot!)Why do you need to find the temperature distribution on the rovers? What use would it serve now? As there are no private companies developing their own space missions and you do not work for NASA, who already have the technology, then you would need to explain why you are testing the battery. There is actually no need, ALL THE INFORMATION, INCLUDING TEST AND ANOMOLY INFORMATION, IS READILY AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET! Itīs just all make believe isnīt it? You are pretending to be a scientist and pretending to work on the lunar rover that went out of production, and use, back in 1973. Get a life. How on earth do you expect to be treated with any respect when you come out with so much utter garbage, not only about being a "scientist" but stuff that can be Googled and proven to be garbage so easily? You are a fool, and that is an obvious fact that is very apparent by anyone who bothers to read your childish nonsense. If you think you are not a fool then why not disprove the 4 points I made above? Problem there is you canīt, they are not my opinions they are facts. I have reached the inescapable conclusion that you have some sort of personality disorder and have developed this imaginary persona of being a scientist "a relatively well-known one" in an attempt to cover up your inadequacies. Itīs a shame but you can get help for it. |
| Posted By: john Posted On: July 25th Views: 445 | RE: lunar equipment hi, my emotional friend... now, look: 1) NASA is not buying the Russian RD-170 engine for its rockets. sorry, these were indeed rd-180. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180 2) NASA will not be buying them in the future, the RD-170 is not even in production any more. (see above) 3) NASA buys all its rocket engines from within the USA. Rocketdyne made the Saturn V engines and now makes the Space Shuttle engines. read: http://astronautical.org/events/vonbraun/vonbraun-2008/luncheon/ -- nasa is strongly dependent now on russian and joint venture production. 4) Von Braunīs Saturn V booster is not a mystery, it could be again made by Rocketdyne if needed, but technology has moved on. read from a popular source: http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1325/1 Unlike the J-2 engine, which powered the Saturn 5s upper stages and has been resurrected for use on the Ares 1 and 5s upper stages, the F-1 has long since been retired. (A brief section at the end of the book describes some efforts to use an upgraded variant, the F-1A, in the 1990s in concepts for Space Exploration Initiative launchers as well as a liquid flyback booster that would replace the shuttles SRBs; neither got beyond the drawing boards.) If the US decides, as SpaceXs Williams proposed, to develop an F-1 class engine, is most likely will be a new design. That, however, should take nothing away from the F-1 and what it accomplished, as ably described in this book. It was indeed, as Morea said, a magnificent engine. ---------------- -- we should see them re-designing it instead of using those rd-180. apparently, it is not only a financial problem. they really need to re-invent it -- exactly what i have been saying all the time. the whole apollo mission project is lost for technology. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 26th Views: 435 | RE: lunar equipment I see, you made a simple mistake and referred to the RD-180 as the out of production RD-170. A simple mistake that a "fairly well known scientist" should not make. John, or whatever your name is, I am going to level with you, you have earned it with your dogged persistence. I accuse you of being stupid and pretending to be a scientist. You accuse me of being emotional. I am emotional, this is now a medical fact. I never used to be, far from it, but last December I was diagnosed with Advanced Prostate Cancer with Spinal Chord Compression, itīs terminal. I am on very powerful medication that hopefully will buy me 3 or 4 years, maybe longer (I am 63) but there are many side effects. I suffer emotional lows, very low and hormone induced, my short term memory is crap, I sometimes have trouble remembering why I made my last comment. I even had to look up the spinal chord compression bit because I had temporarily forgotten what it was called. I do not want or need sympathy, my life is good, I am merely explaining. I deal with a great many people, mostly by email, about the moon landings and many other things. I get annoyed with the moon hoax believers because, to me, the Apollo programme was simply magnificent. I take on board what you are saying, and yes it is true that NASA will be using Russian engines. It seems bizarre, but their engines are reliable and do the job well. In the Apollo era, NASA had just one goal, to put a man on the moon, today they have many challenges, and even more committees, and have lost their way a little. I am sorry for being rude to you. Today I am okay and had a half-way decent nightīs sleep for a change. Tomorrow I will probably be grumpy and belligerent again, itīs the way my life is just now, I have to deal with it. I will attempt to continue our discussions in a better manner, but I ask you to be yourself, not pretend to be someone else. I will delete this posting after you have replied as I do not want to make a big thing about my condition. |
| Posted By: Maxim Dvoytsin Posted On: July 26th Views: 429 | RE: lunar equipment Keith,I feel sorry. You're one of the most intelligent people I've ever talked with and your book is brilliant. Whatever happens,never give up.Never! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 26th Views: 424 | RE: lunar equipment Maxim, Thank you, I appreciate it, really. Maybe I will leave that post on the board, I will think about it. I will keep going as long as I am able, hopefully that will be for a few years yet. However, I am aware it will be difficult, I can put up with the back ache and discomfort, for now at least, as it is under control, but what I cannot abide is loosing my mind. With the level of medication I am on now I can just about manage, I just make silly mistakes, as my wife keeps reminding me. Itīs a bit like having alzheimer's, but only occasionally. I dread the day when I donīt realise the gaffs I make. Even now I argue with my wife that I never said what I did, or reacted the way I did. She is a bloody marvel putting up with me. Sorry, I am wittering on. I am lucky, some patients only get 6 months. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 27th Views: 409 | RE: lunar equipment Thatīs unusual, john - AKA "fairly well known scientist" - usually replies within 24 hrs, in fact he has always done so. I wonder whatīs keeping him? I have asked him to stop pretending, about being a scientist and testing the lunar rover batteries etc., and just be himself. Does he think I will ignore his comments otherwise? Odd isnīt it? Maybe he is busy and on the road or something. |
| Posted By: Maxim Dvoytsin Posted On: July 29th Views: 403 | RE: lunar equipment I wish I could take part in your argument but I'm not competent in this field. May be,he's actually a scientist,who knows. Btw,I've recently seen a news report where they say that a guy in the US has invented a revolutionary new type of engine using plasma in its work. What do you think about it? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: July 30th Views: 398 | RE: lunar equipment If he is a scientist I am Stephen Hawking. Plasma engines have been used already and to good effect. They are well suited to long distance space travel but take a long time to build up speed. The new version that has just been tested is more powerful. It is the best way forward we have at this time. |
| Posted By: Wormwood Posted On: August 6th Views: 370 | RE: lunar equipment I have read through all the proceeding comments, what a laugh! John "the reasonably well know scientist" is a right prat. All that crap about testing the lunar rover batteries is pathetic! Where the hell could he get hold of a 40 year old rover battery, especially when he claims NASA are withholding information, and how the hell can you expect it to still work? What a lying little dipstick! Scientist my arse! Keith mate, I donīt know why you bother dealing with pricks like him, he is a waste of fuc·king oxygen. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: August 6th Views: 365 | RE: lunar equipment Yeah, well it doesnīt matter any more heīs gone. I think he must have realised that it was becoming more and more obvious he was no scientist, I even said as much the first time he said it. Why canīt people just be themselves? Anyway, the images of the landing sites are looking very good, and when the orbiter reaches its lowest orbit the images will be stunning. I know the hoax believers will just claim the images are fake, they are not capable of original thought, but thatīs their problem, the rest of us will see it as confirmation, as if any were needed! |
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