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Posted By: John's Friend

Posted On: Jan 4, 2011
Views: 1526
Keith is a Bust!

Keith Mayes: For someone of your age, you should be ashamed that you do not exude wisdom, compassion and knowledge rooted in vigorous and perpetual debate. All I see is hardened hostility built on a cowardice fear that the moon landing was in fact a Hoax.

In an attempt to stimulate intellectual debate, your responses to people's legitimate questions renders the correspondence moribund. Your claims that NOT ALL Hoax Believers are "stupid" are ostensible at best, foolish at worst, because once presented with questions that beg answers beyond you, you merely become belligerent.

You are not an expert in anything except, well ... "stupidity"! I shall look no further here for answers, since you seem to think that a Google can present the answer to any question - when in fact it can also provide the counter, if you ask it the right way.

You are governed by ideological machinations and have a low emotional intelligence. The human race is hopeless with people like you, so I look to the moon and beyond.

Bad day to ya.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jan 6, 2011
Views: 1516
RE: Keith is a Bust!

So you think I should be having deep and meaningful discussions with hoax believers. How is that possible? When someone says to me they can see the wires on the astronauts that hold them up and makes it look like low gravity, it's a bit difficult to have an intelligent debate about it. What's to discuss?
Unfortunately there are number of idiots in the world just as there are a number of brilliant people, that is a fact not my opinion, and it just isn't possible to hold a sensible discussion with an idiot.
A high proportion of hoax believers are born idiots, the others suffer from an appalling lack of education, for whatever reason, and lack the wit and knowledge to see that the hoax believers claims are nonsense based on ignorance.


Posted By: elsa

Posted On: Jun 4, 2011
Views: 1425
RE: Keith is a Bust!

its really sad to treat people who are not scientist as ignorants. intelligence is not a quality that only scientists own. I am a lawyer, am I therefore stupid? again im not saying your theory is wrong. you are obviously right, and your arguments valuable. it just doesnt sound very open minded to treat people who have other beliefs or opinions as stupid. i can also understsnd that when one is more intelligent its hard to communicate with less intelligent people,but in no way should you say that they are stupid. its just about arguments, yours are quite convincing, so are theirs. And finally we will never know what the reality was. Were you on that spaceship?
its a pity to be stubborn and believe only in one theory, while having no personal evidence.
this is my opinion


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1422
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I HAVE USED YOUR POST TO GIVE MY RESPONSE AS IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO FOLLOW. MY REPLIES ARE IN UPPERCASE.

its really sad to treat people who are not scientist as ignorants. WHO DOES THAT? I DON'T. WHAT I SAY IS HOAX BELIEVERS ARE IGNORANT REGARDING THE PHYSICS OF MOON LANDINGS. IF THEY HAD MORE KNOWLEDGE THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FAKED. IT IS THEIR IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECT THAT MAKES THEM THINK IT WAS A HOAX.

intelligence is not a quality that only scientists own. TRUE, BUT WHO SAID IT WAS?

I am a lawyer, am I therefore stupid? BEING A LAWYER SIMPLY MEANS YOU SHOULD HAVE A GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF THE LAW, IT DOES NOT IMPLY THAT YOU ARE SMART OR DUMB. YOU MAY BE COMPLETELY IGNORANT REGARDING PHYSICS SO YOU COULD BE IGNORANT IN THAT FIELD.

again im not saying your theory is wrong. SINCE WHEN HAS THE MOON LANDINGS BEEN A THEORY? IT IS A HISTORICAL FACT.

you are obviously right, and your arguments valuable. it just doesnt sound very open minded to treat people who have other beliefs or opinions as stupid. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE ARE TALKING ONLY ABOUT FACTS HERE, THE FACTS OF THE MOON LANDINGS, THEY ARE NOT OPINIONS OR BELIEFS!

i can also understsnd that when one is more intelligent its hard to communicate with less intelligent people,but in no way should you say that they are stupid. IF AFTER EXPLAINING IN GREAT DETAIL AND IN A VERY SIMPLE AND CLEAR AND CONCISE MANNER WHY STARS DO NOT APPEAR IN PHOTOS TAKEN FROM THE SURFACE OF THE MOON THEY STILL SAY THEY SHOULD BE SEEN THEN OBVIOUSLY WE ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE OF VERY LOW INTELLIGENCE, IN OTHER WORDS STUPID. THEY ARE NOT IGNORANT, I HAVE GIVEN THEM THE KNOWLEDGE THEY LACKED, SO WHAT ARE THEY, MENTALLY CHALLENGED? WOULD THAT BE ALRIGHT?

its just about arguments, yours are quite convincing, so are theirs. REALLY? SHOW ME A CONVINCING ARGUMENT FROM A HOAX BELIEVER!

And finally we will never know what the reality was. Were you on that spaceship? DO I NEED TO HAVE BEEN ON APOLLO 11 TO KNOW IT PUT MEN ON THE MOON? DO I NEED TO HAVE BEEN ON THE TITANIC TO KNOW IT WAS SUNK BY AN ICEBURG? YOU ARE TALKING NONSENSE.

its a pity to be stubborn and believe only in one theory, while having no personal evidence.
this is my opinion
IT IS NOT A THEORY. YOU THINK I NEED "PERSONAL EVIDENCE" LIKE WHAT FOR INSTANCE? YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE RIDICULOUS.
CALL YOURSELF A LAWYER? WITH THE ARGUMENT YOU HAVE PUT FORWARD FULL OF ASSUMPTIONS, ERRORS AND OPINIONS, YOU SOUND JUST LIKE A HOAX BELIEVER.




Posted By: Elsa

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1420
RE: Keith is a Bust!

Im no hoax believer I told u that. I am really disappointed of your attitude. Its really a pity coz I read your internet site where you explain a lot of theories with problems and u really seem to be so intelligent.
And I respect you for that intelligence and it was quite charmimg that u know so much
What a pity that u are so mean!!!


Posted By: elsa

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1418
RE: Keith is a Bust!

what bothers me is not the fact that you believe that they landed on the moon. but the fact that other opinions are so hostile to you....
personnally I am always sceptical to what media says, I have had a conversation with a history teacher who owned a PhD in history, and I didnt ask him about moon landing but about other things whether they were true in history or not. and he told me : "history is something that people agreed on a subject and they made it as strong as facts".
again I dont say they did not land, they probably did. nevertheless I don't work at the CIA to be sure to say something. I just wanted to talk about objectivity, and respect towards others opinions.
I dont know why you get so upset if we dont immediatly agree with something that you agree.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1416
RE: Keith is a Bust!

If you don't like my attitude go somewhere else. I don't like dealing with people who know absolutely nothing about a subject yet insist they are right.


Posted By: Elsa

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1414
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I never insisted that I was right, en contraire, I am hostile to arguments which show whether one is absolutely right or wrong.
Well whatever...


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1411
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I wasn't talking about you.
However, you need to learn the difference between an established fact and an opinion or theory.
As for your comment "I am hostile to arguments which show whether one is absolutely right or wrong." only goes to show how screwed up your reasoning is. For instance, our sun is a star, that is an undeniable fact so I am absolutely right to say so. You say this makes you hostile. Pity, but it's a major problem you will have to learn to live with because some things are undeniable. Get used to it.


Posted By: elsa

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1409
RE: Keith is a Bust!

yes there are undeniable things, but there arent undeniable opinions. and u should get used to it too, we are social people, we live in a society where a variety of opinions is there. but in no way should we abolish or insult these opinions. even if you are an astronaut and others are not, people do not discuss here science, they discuss facts. again, Im no absolute hoax believer, I just have an open mind and think about many possibilites.


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1405
RE: RE: Keith is a Bust!

My God you do talk nonsense! you say "yes there are undeniable things, but there arent undeniable opinions" The very word "opinion" means that it is just a personal view, not a fact so of course you cannot have undeniable opinions. Give me strength!!!!!
Your arguments are very childish and badly thought out and presented, you are wasting my time.
Go away.


Posted By: elsa

Posted On: Jun 5, 2011
Views: 1402
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I am maybe childish, nevertheless, you cant say you are doing any better, because a wise person respects the right of other people to express, (freedom of speech) and doesnt try to stop this freedom by diffamatory remarks on their opinions.



Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 6, 2011
Views: 1400
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I am a firm believer of freedom of speech and all the message boards on my site allow people to say whatever they want, I do not censor their comments.
However, freedom of speech carries responsibilities. If people make comments that are wrong I have the right to challenge them, just as they challenge me. If they are wrong I will say so. If they persist in making ridiculous unsupported claims that show a remarkable level of ignorance I will tell them so. If people do not like being challenged or told they are dumb they should not post comments saying I am wrong or I am stupid to believe in the moon landings.
I do not hold a gun to their heads and say they must post a comment, they do so because they want to. Any comment made by me or anyone else is open to be challenged. That is what message boards are for.


Posted By: Elsa

Posted On: Jun 6, 2011
Views: 1398
RE: Keith is a Bust!

Yes thats what im trying to explain, we r here to change opinions not to insult people who also might believe thinks that u consider wrong or stupid


Posted By: Keith Mayes

Posted On: Jun 6, 2011
Views: 1394
RE: Keith is a Bust!

I am not here to change opinions, that is your view not mine. People are entitled to their opinions. I only discuss facts, not beliefs or opinions.


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