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| Posted By: Hassabu Posted On: Apr 25, 2002 Views: 1386 | The dawn of new political practice ! I am not trying to pay tribute to Ato Lidetu or anybody else for that matter, but there is one paramount issue I would like to raise and applaud here, that is the activities of the likeness of Ato Lidetu and the stomach of EPDRF to tolerate them so far shows to Ethiopia, that a ray of democratic practice starts coming out of the cloudiness and gloomy previous practice towards accommodating oppositions. A corollary statement to the above paragraph is; opposing could be possible without an incitement of violence by withstanding the pressure, and exposing the rotten and non-democratic activities of the ruling party. It is only in this kind of political environment that the fostering of balanced and beneficial policies that the government would come up with, after a number of fierce ratification with the oppositions, peacefully. This in turn leads to the long due Transparency and Accountability of the ruling parties act. It seems that Ethiopia is experiencing the dawn of new political practice and a birth of genuine opposition parties! |
| Posted By: Meles Posted On: Apr 27, 2002 Views: 1372 | RE: RE: RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Hassabu, MELES are not doing favor to EDP... in fact Meles playing game on their head.... EDP wants more WAR... Why you want to stop your opposition from self incriminates? EDP want to fight for ASSAB again why you want to stop your opp. from self incriminate... EDP doesn't want to accept world UN border demarcation... again why you want your opposition. From self incriminating? EDP doesnt respect Ethiopian constitution that respect Oromo right to speak their own language and that respect many other oromo and other ethnic groups right. EDP wave OLD Amhara flag that doesnt represent the whole Ethiopia. Why you want to stop your opposition form self-incriminating .. EDP is self defeating Amhara party that should be encourage so that they can self defeating sooner they are cancer to Ethiopia and to horn of Africa. Only desperate bland elite Amhara support them |
| Posted By: Hassabu Posted On: Apr 28, 2002 Views: 1362 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Meles, What a shame! Some people love to label people when they fell to argue their cases. Your reply pointed out, that of the content of my comment is an inherent Amhara Elite outlook, well my dear fellow Ethiopian I think you made one grave mistake of categorizing people into ethnical background, which is very sad, and I am sorry to disappoint you! as I am neither Amhara nor member of EDP. I had simply tried to vest my opinion on the topic and emphasised at the same time, how wonderful it might be, having a positive opposition to facilitate the sought democratic system in the country. If it is hard for you to swallow this, then you may either need to divorce from your old authoritarian way of governing or you maight need to make an effort to learn the dream and aspiration of your fellow Ethiopians. My dear Meles, Democracy need to be practiced, and preaching with mass media neither make us democrat nor creates a democratic country!!!!!!! Thus,at this very moment EDP pause an acid test of the current regimes...,and in this sense it is fare to say that EDP is the torch bearer for this important struggle. N.B:- Here I want to emphasis that I have no partisanship towards EDP!! |
| Posted By: Meles Posted On: Apr 29, 2002 Views: 1356 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Sir pls read what I said again to understand me before you reply. You see what Meles doing is "there is one paramount issue I would like to raise and applaud here, that is the activities of the likeness of Ato Lidetu and the stomach of EPDRF to tolerate them so far shows to Ethiopia, that a ray of democratic practice starts coming out of the cloudiness and gloomy previous practice towards accommodating oppositions. " I see it Meles is not doing favor to opposition for simple fact EDP is self defeating Amhara party that should be encourage so that they can self defeating sooner... Ask yourself, why you want to stop your opposition form self-incriminating??? PS:- In short EDP is a criminal party that want more death and more blood.. the best way to exposise this kind of criminal party is to allow them to open their mouth so that people will know about them first hand... you said you are not Amhara than agian you are not going to war so what is your point..sitting in America and saying you want more war to get more land will not make you a hero.... This time if EDP want war then they only should take their supporter with them no poor Ethiopia die for your evil idea. Thanks and I wish my hand from EDP sin and evil wish to blood and kill my poor Ethiopian people. |
| Posted By: Dagne Posted On: Apr 29, 2002 Views: 1349 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! dear Meles, you may not like EDP's stand on Asab, and you have every right to oppose it. but you can't judge them solely on that. I think what Hasabu is trying to say is that EDP has become perhaps the only party that is mature enough to stand up to Meles and shake it, through peaceful struggle. and even though I myself do not agree with them on many issues (including for risking war for the long gone Asab) I take my hat off for them for the way they are conducting their stand. and I have confidence that EDP have a future in Ethiopia politics. as to the language issue I'm not sure what EDP's stand is today. finally please spare your time to discern my ethnic. I'm amhara. |
| Posted By: PM Meles Posted On: Apr 29, 2002 Views: 1343 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Dagne, Even IBD Amhara sometimes make sense... Thanks for seeing the fact that we don't need to lose live to regain Assab. Then Again EDP is the one who are fighting for Assab how on earth you are going to get Assab without fight? Are you going to World Court if that the case then why EDP rejecting the UN and world court border issue. Why in hell EDP doesn't support stopping the two years war??????????????? You can't tell EDP is peacful while they are rejecting Meles for stopping the two years war? while rejecting Meles for accpting UN court as finial in border issue.. Today EDP might look peacful but if they got power they would might go to war to get Assab and killing million poor Ethiopians in the proccess... It pain me to see those IBD AMHARA COME OUT AND TELL ME EDP IS THE ONLY GOD GIFT PARTY FOR Ethiopia.... How about EPRP, HOW ABOUT EDU, HOW ABOUT TPLF HOW ABOUT OLF AND OTHER PARTY.... Can you see the double standerder here.... thanks God Amhara time over... |
| Posted By: Desta Posted On: Apr 29, 2002 Views: 1341 | RE: RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Anybody that wants some type of democratic change in the country can see that this a good thing. Issues have so far been left up to the ruling party to decide. Even if we dont agree with the EDP itself let us agree that having dialogue is good and having a party that is not afraid to stand up for itself is also good. Lets stay off of ethnicity. Ethnic politics will soon be dead as well as ethnic federalism. Lets not add fuel to a flame that is soon to go out. Any ethnic group can agree that the EDP has opened up a door for anyone-regardless of ethnicity-to voice their opinions to the government and this above all should be a postive step especially to the person who may feel they are the 'most oppressed'.(Whatever 'most oppressed' may means) The only person that I can see at conflict with this turn of events is an Eritrean. Eritrean have been known to infiltrate these type of discussion rooms and add their negative points of view ,pretending to be Ethiopian, in order to drive a wedge between people who have otherwise been known to conduct open and civilized discussions. *LET US BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THESE BASTARDS* |
| Posted By: PM MELES Posted On: Apr 29, 2002 Views: 1338 | RE: RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Any ethnic group can agree that the TPLF has opened up a door for anyone-regardless of ethnicity-to voice their opinions. LOOK WHO IS Negaso Gidada- The first President of Ethiopia IS OROMO LOOK the second President of Ethiopia also Oromo Look Education Minister is an Amhara woman... so no one can tell me TPLF OR EPRDF is an ethnic groups? |
| Posted By: PM Meles Posted On: Apr 30, 2002 Views: 1322 | RE: RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Hassabu his band. Thanks for understanding my view point. As I try to point out to you TPLF is the only party good for Ethiopia as whole... TPLF [EPRDP] is the only party who give more right to Ethiopians in 3000 years Ethiopian history. As You can see EPRDP is the only party that stand for whole Ethiopian not for few elite Amhara as EDP stand for. EPRDP doesn't want to pay the cost of Assab this time million of poor Ethiopian life... instead EPRDP are ready to pay birr at Djbouti Port instead... EDP want us to pay life for port. EPRDP want us to pay in birr for port now it is your choice... Thanks for choicing life over Assab... and choicing EPRDP for leadership |
| Posted By: Hassabu Posted On: Apr 30, 2002 Views: 1320 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Meles, It is not only too arrogant to be a self-promoting and proclaiming that EPDRP is the Alpha and the Omega for Ethiopias democracy, but also a chauvinistic ego centric attitude towards other indigenous parties. Ethiopia had a very unfortunate past inline of democracy, nonetheless it is the desire and wish of all of Ethiopians to see the emancipation of our country from a unitary party dominance, which is achieved by marginalizing any opposition parties. Dear Meles, I do gather from your replies that your sole reason not to have stomach for EDP is the Assab issue. As far as I am concerned Assab is like crying over the spilt milk, years has passed since it is a sovereign part of Eritrea, thus raising this issue now is far too late and gives a signal that anyone who perpetrate it might have a hidden agenda. Thus needs to be challenged by a peaceful democratic process, the likes of debate on the mass media etc. Having a monopoly on the various mass media might help to promote the partys policies, stand points and even help to vindicate opposition parties, but it doesnt guarantee that the whole population take it in full heartedly. If media propaganda and painting wrong colour would prolongs once reign, EPDRP will not stand a chance against Mengistu campaign. Thus it is only democracy and democratic practices will pave a peaceful and a long lasting stability in our country!!!!! Democracy should be the right of Ethiopia, and it should be inclusive! |
| Posted By: PM MELES Posted On: Apr 30, 2002 Views: 1317 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Hassabu Yes! EPDRP is the Alpha and the Omega for Ethiopias democracy. In fact EPDRP is the only democracy party in the whole Africa. The funny thing is EPDRP with all the power they have they allow EDP to exist... while EDP without any power what so ever doesn't accpet the right of EPDRP to exist... EPDRP allow not only EDP but they allow OLF, and other PARTY to exist in Ethiopia... While EDP preaching they are the only the right party for Ethiopia. Dear Hassabu will not tell you the right of OLF to exist as party in Ethiopia... Yes Dear Hassabu might tell you million good thing about EDP and million bad thing about EPRDP but Dear Hassabu will not accpt the right of OLF to EXIST... if Mengistu [which is an Amhara party] or EDP were in power. EDP will not had allowed the existance of EPDRP [TPLF]OR OLF PARTY the right to exist in Ethiopia. Again I want to conform that EPDRP is the Alpha and the Omega for Ethiopias democracy. In fact EPDRP is the only democracy party in the whole Africa. Look around in Ethiopia the level of freedom of speech we have it is an hear off. the other very important thing is Meles smart thinking to stop the war will EDP want the war to go ahead.... which Afirca leader will stop a war while he is winning. Meles is the only Africa leader who believe war is no the answer... Yes Meles is not perfect but a leader like Meles only comes once every 3000 years.... we should join him and help him instead of boycotting him... That is what the whole eltie Amhara are doing those elite Amhara want Meles to fail so bad they stop taking part in Ethiopia economy... in fact the whole elite Amhara boycotting Ethiopia... If you ask any Americas on street they will not tell you President Bush party is the only right party for America in fact America support two party system... on the other hand eltie Amhara want to destroy all party so that EDP will come out on top... I am all for voting let's vote for EDP TPLF AND OLF whoever win rule for four years.. as long as EDP DOESN'T BELIVE ON THIS MELES MUST RULE FOR NEXT 25 YEARS... so that our democracy crushed. Thanks Dammn right I am Meles! |
| Posted By: Dagne Posted On: May 1, 2002 Views: 1315 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear PM meles, I think perhaps in order to avenge to those who unashamedly deny the change in ethiopia, you have tilted too much to the left. you are right Ethiopians are for the first time practicing the freedom of speech-self expression and freedom of association, etc.. and lets say woyane have passed that test, but you also have that in many african countries save tiny eritrea and few others. the litmus test for democracy in Ethiopia and many other countries these days is having free and fair election, which I think Meles has failed so far. so while I understand your frustration at those who deny to admit the reality I'm eqaully amazed by your promotion of eprdf as being "the only democratic party in africa". because if eprdf wants to be a true democratic party then it should give equal opportunity to those that are racing against it, no matter what the other parties are going to do once they are in power, let the people make their decision at the ballot box. until eprdf can do that they will be considered as undemocratic party. |
| Posted By: hassabu Posted On: May 1, 2002 Views: 1307 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Our beloved country has been licking its wound and was in the process of healing by forgiving her sons ill judgement, up until the flimsy alleged agreement accord that they had signed for the secession of Eritrea based on the front agreement between TPLF and ELF with no proper and clear demarcation of boarder in place had cost the lives of fellow citizens. In this regard YES MELSEs TPLF is the only party not only in Africa but also in the world that had willingly without any democratic process hand over used part of its country and want the whole country to acknowledge their deeds as a rightful act. My dear friend you are still following a very narrow trodden path of seeing things based on ethnical background, which is a mind set of the current regime and its followers. For me OLF is a party which promotes the cause of the people it had fought and stood for nearly two decades, for that matter it was once a formidable part of the countrys political system, till being marginalized and expelled from the parliament. In actual fact this was a stunt by TPLF to pave away for their unequivocal dominance of OROMOs People quest to have home grown party to promote its cause. The beleaguered OPDO, which is part of EPDRF, has been used as an instrument of oppression and a counter part of OLF. For the aforementioned reasons Ive no qualm with any of the parties that are struggling to get their voice to be heard, and it is not for me to say that this party has mandate or otherwise. But it is absurd to be accused of by those who tried and still trying to adopt everything that are either mentioned in a textbook or implemented elsewhere in the world with a very different socio-economical environment. Dear Melse get real and see the prevailing factors in the country rather than categorizing everything and everyone who has a different outlook or vision. |
| Posted By: PM MELES Posted On: May 2, 2002 Views: 1304 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! Dear Dagne, You want TPLF to hand over their power to EDP just so that they will be called democrat. What kind of crazy idea is that. You dont heard that America are fighting for their freedom and democracy After all freedom and democracy is not free you have to pay for it.. What Meles is doing is the same thing He cant just hand over power to EDP and go to forest to fight for freedom for next 30 years Before EDP asking for vote they should agree with the basic thing. 1. What is EDP constitution? Does EDP have constitution. 2. What is EDP STAND about War to gain Assab or any land lost to Eritrea Does EDP TAKE AS TO WAR OR NOT? We have to find out this. 3. Does EDP allow the Oromo people freedom and right such as waving OLF FLAG in Addis Ababa. How about oromo people right to use Latin alphabet and use Afan oromo instead of Amharic 4. Does EDP believe in Federal system or they are for centralized system. This is for hassabu Why we need clear demarcation of boarder between Eritrea and Ethiopia? If that what you think then you all Amhara should take responsibility for promoting wars b/w those two friendly nation for last ten years. Just go and read any newspaper in amharic that published before the war. The Amhara are the one who promoting the war. Amhara thought Eritrea failure economically will send massage to other separatist groups in Ethiopia for that reason the Amhara work hard to chock Eritreans economically some how the Amhara succeeded the only cost is more then 100,000 army dead from both side.. 8 million civilian starved to death while we are fighting useless war. Still dear Hassabu promoting war by saying YES MELSEs TPLF is the only party not only in Africa but also in the world that had willingly without any democratic process hand over used part of its country and want the whole country to acknowledge their deeds as a rightful act. Then if handing over part of is wrong then what Mr. Hasabu want us to do? Go to war to keep part of our country what Hasabu doesnt tell us is we did exactly that for the last 40 years today we are tried of this BS.. If Eritrea want to separate it is their constitutional right to separate if oromo want to separate that to is constitutional right the same goes to Amhara nation and Tigray nation nothing less is uncivilized 5. When EDP recognized our constitutional right to separate then we have something to talk. For those who dont know the benefit of having constitutional right to separate help to grantee no other ethnic groups abuse another ethnic groups if one ethnic groups feel they are better off by themselves then who we are to tell them they are better off with us This is like marriage by force.. Refusing to recognize divorce right does not make you supporter of marriage in fact having divorce right help people to marry.. It is next to useless to tell those drunk EDP having the right of divorce is good for marrying couple. Both of you said lets have election as if election is the end of the story. Dagne SAID no matter what the other parties are going to do once they are in power, let the people make their decision at the ballot 6. That is wrong we have to know what the those party are doing before we elect them all party must show us their mandate what and what they are going to do read American election each party have mandate Mr. Bush will tell what is his stand on many issues in order for people to makeup their mind or to make informed decision 7. We dont want any party to come to power and do whatever they want once the hold power that is why we have constitution to limit the power of our leader. 8. Majority right Vs Minority right. Lets in America white is 80% and black are 20% if we have election we will have black will never be elected or black concern will not be fulfilled if 80% white out vote the black every time. That is why we have electoral system in America. How popular vote work: [the following is just an example:-] All Tigray vote for TPLF which is 3 million people then TPLF will gain only 10% vote. If All oromo vote for OLF which is 25 million people then OLF WILL GAIN 40% VOTE If all Amhara vote for EDP which is 20 million people then EDP will gain 35% vote. Now lets say rest of 15 million people vote for EDP THE EDP gate 15% vote Add the vote EDP WILL EVER TIME.. while OLF have some chance wining the next election TPLF will not stand a chance so their concern will not be fulfilled by this method of election. How electoral voting system work:- Ethiopia have nine regional state:- If we have three party such as OLF, TPLF AND EDP OLF win in oromo region. TPLF win in Tigray region EDP win in Amhara region. Now three running parties must win the most in other six regions. In Afar region In southern region [SNNPR] Gambella Region Beneshangual Region Somali Region Addis Ababa region It is fair game to lose some and to win some region in this electoral election but the party win the most will be the winner this way all region became very important.. Regardless of their population The question does OLF, TPLF and EDP have a chance to win over those six region? Those six region will only vote on issue since OLF, TPLF AND EDP doesnt represent them directly so lets start from top DOES EDP believe in Ethiopia constitution? Which is a copy of American constitution? Or EDP want to change this constitution if that the case what is the change? Etc etc. |
| Posted By: Dagne Posted On: May 2, 2002 Views: 1300 | RE: The dawn of new political practice ! dear Hasabu, you complain "Meles is the only person that gave part of the country without any democratic process" I agree with you but do you think Eritrea was annexed in Ethiopia democratically or the democracy card only works for ethiopia. in fact did mengistu consulted the ethiopian people when he spends over 10 billion dollars while million died of famine.so why we put the deomcracy burden on meles but not on mengistu or H.S. as a matter of fact had we (ethiopians) were honest and stand for what is right Ethiopia would not have been land locked. we could have had asab in exchange for eritrea self determination during H.S or Mengistu. that would have been the right time to cry for democracy not wait until you loose the war. meles has done, except for asab, what H.S should have done while ethiopia had the upper hand. the price we paid is Asab, a $10 billion debt and over 2 million dead as a result of 30 years war. so the blame should go to every ethiopian. dear PM meles. you seem to be concerned whether EDP accept the constitution or whether they have their own? like you and many I am not sure which part of the constitution EDP like and don't. EDP might do it self a favor if they make public exactly where they stand, when it comes to federation, S.D. democracy and other issues. it is not enough to tell us how bad woyane is people have to know how good EDP is. but they still have the right to compete against meles. |
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