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| Posted By: B. Abay Posted On: May 3, 2002 Views: 1041 | Dying to know aound the 60s we gave eritreans a referendem to choose and they chose unity and we ethiopians accepted it with joy and without question. in 1993 (after 30 years of war) we gave eritrea a second refernedem to choose and they chose indepndence, but we reject it with disgust. why? when Haileselase in the sixities gave the referndum to eritreans he didn't allow the rest of ethiopia to vote, he basically said it is none of your business (which he was right) so why should meles do it differently? during the first referndem, the map of eritrea included asab why? shouldn't the italy invasion make the treaty null and void then ? leaving asab for negotiation, as we are arguing today. |
| Posted By: Kewsu Posted On: May 3, 2002 Views: 1036 | RE: RE: Dying to know B. Abay, You have made statements that are factually and historically incorrect. No country in the world should be forced to commit suicide on behalf its next generation. The UN, againest all human conventions, is doing forcing that on Ethiopia. It will pay! Your erroneous theory on Eritrea is wrong, however does not deserve a rebuttal at this point. The only thing worth discussing is that Afars DO NOT WANT TO BE ERITREANS and they never were nor will they ever be Eritreans. They and their RED SEA abode will rejoin Ethiopia soon or late --come Hague or high heaven! That is what matters! . |
| Posted By: Kewsu Posted On: May 3, 2002 Views: 1034 | RE: Dying to know One more point.... if you want to know 100,000 Ethiopians living in America and ME ready to go to WAR with Eritrea any time time we have EDP PARTY as leader. I am ready and able to give my live to this cause without thinking twice. Thanks |
| Posted By: B. Abay Posted On: May 4, 2002 Views: 1031 | RE: RE: Dying to know kewsu please be specific and tell me which statement is incorrect. as to the suicide you mention, Haileselasie's generation gambled on my generation even when his closest advisers advised him against it (annexing eritrea), inheriting us famine, death, poverty and the total disintegration of my country. |
| Posted By: kewsu Posted On: May 4, 2002 Views: 1029 | RE: Dying to know sir you are dying to KNOW. On other hand I am dying to regain Assab. if need be I kewsu, willing go to fight border and die fighting for mama Ethiopia. Then the question become would you die protect your so called country Eritrea? People might call us elite Amhara but 100% I am sure all elite Amhara are ready to die for our cause and mama Ethiopia. Thanks |
| Posted By: Hassabu Posted On: May 4, 2002 Views: 1024 | RE: Dying to know What is wrong with everybody? Where have you been? Assab has been given as a good gusture and been an integral part of Ertrea since '93. What I don't understand is, why all this pravado now? it had gone log time, and trully speaking if anyone is quite keen to protest or stage disapproval it should be then. By bickering on something, which had a closed file, We have sidelined vitally important tasks that needs everyone's fare share of participation; to name some of them: - creating a fare democratical political environment, - making our country self sufficent to feed its people, - making possible the access of potable water for every household, - getting electricity for every household, - fighting ignorance, - fighting AIDS/HIV...etc. Rather than crying on the spilt milk and calling to indulge the country to another cycle of war, let us for a change concentrate to the creation of stable Ethiopia in every aspect, for the first time in its contemporary history! Let us channal our effort for the advancement of Ethiopia not for its destruction. War mongers, please realise that we are in the 21st century and our Medival practices are only history and obselet,too.Let us see beyond Ethnical superemacy! I can assure you that all these crazy way of explaining every thing based on ethnical garound is wrong and shallow analysis.Moreover it is not a fountain of knowldge as it had been portraied so far. |
| Posted By: The Patriot Posted On: May 5, 2002 Views: 1016 | RE: Dying to know Hassabu, You are right, and I wish more people would think this way. The truth is with or without Assab-if we dont adress the issues at hand(poverty,political stability,and developement)we will still be miserable. I do feel sorrow for the Afar and I hope that their issur-which is also an Ethiopian issue-can be addressed as soon as possible in peaceful terms. We Ethiopians are helping to destroy our-selfs. We keep blaming everybody on Assab and Eritrea when we should be assisting those who trying their hardest to provide some kind of stable enviroment for investment and for the creation of jobs so that we wont be dirt poor. The truth is even though our country is the most stable in the region many people look at all of this talk of war and see it as a weakness. They also see us as fools because we are not displaying civilized behavior. We have to stop this endless cycle of instability and self-destruction. We have alot of postive factors in our country and lets move towards creating more. Peace,Love, and ETHIOPIA. The Patriot |
| Posted By: B. Abay Posted On: May 6, 2002 Views: 1008 | RE: Dying to know Kewsu said "if need be I kewsu, willing go to fight border and die fighting for mama Ethiopia.Then the question become would you die protect your so called country Eritrea?" answer: no I'm not ready to fight for eritrea, because eritrea, like Ethiopia, has her own people to fight for her. but I'm willing to fight chauvinists like you who think their obsession for war makes them more Ethiopian than others, because, that is more honorable dying for. kewsu said "the "elite" always die for mama Ethiopia". wrong! the source of the over 90% Ethiopian army comes from the rural peasant, the rest comes from the urban poor and unemployed, which non are elite. kewsu says he is ready to die "for asab" I say if you kewsu (ibdu) are so much in dying mode go jump from the highest building near you, I have no problem with that. but there is no way you are going to take Ethiopia with you. |
| Posted By: shecha-sikela Posted On: May 6, 2002 Views: 1006 | RE: Dying to know Lets get real. We all remember Asseb has been an integral part of Eritrea as of the fall of dergue. IT was snatched forcfully, like Afabet, Asmara, Mitswa...). The whole world knows Asseb as Ertirean. In 1998 the wor broke out. Fierce fighting carried out in areas of Badime and other areas where the boundaries were not well demarkated before. At that moment, Asseb had never been the case. Then come the border arbireation issue in setteling the causes of conflict. At that time, Asseb was not the agenda. Their purpose was to focuse on the 1000 mk long bourder, not on the question of Asseb. After a while, when some innocent people saw the rapid success of Ethiopian Army over Eriterea, tried to speculate that Asseb might have been annexed forcfully. Some political parties, who failed to win even a kebele and woreda election, opt to take this opportunity by trying to bringforth ideas (documents), which might even endanger the country on other border parts. They considered themselves as a party who run big idea, organize large numner of people. However, they failed to cooperate with other big opposition parties of the country. I kindly request the "Asseb lovers" to see realities at a wider perispecive. Open your eyes. It is easy to claim 'that is mine'. But you have to be sure also the other side has the same possibility to cliam yours. My final advise: to those who need to fight (like 'kewsu'), please go and fight by yourself. Don't let others fight to you. Let the Ethiopian farmer focus on his hand-to-mouth economy. Cheers |
| Posted By: Kewsu Posted On: May 6, 2002 Views: 998 | RE: Dying to know Dear B Abay, You can put on 20 masks and masquerade as Ethiopian but you will not escape the inevitable fact that Assab will be returned to Ethiopia at your own expense. That you are trying to appear an Ethiopian when you have renounced it by choosing a new and disgraceful identity called Eritrean points to the fact that your ill gotten possession of Assab is just that: ill gotten. See, you dont have the guts to talk about it as an Eritrean. You didnt have to masquerade if you had a genuine point. The other fourth grader who sometimes uses the pen name PM Meles also wrote many things as Kewsu. I only wrote once. Your desperation is visible. Look, you can narrated an invented chronicle of events to the dozen but the fact remains that Assab was not part of Eritrea when Eritrea forced its independence in 1991. We know all anti-African westerners are behind you but this doesnt mean they can force it down our throat forever. We will show you our true worth when the impostor Meles Zenawi is hanged in a year or two. Most importantly: the Afars reject being forced to be Eritreans. You cant force them into submission forever, can you? Take a note of this: Eritrea will be on its toes, restless and unhappy until it returns Assab to Ethiopia. We will see if Meles can be any more help to you. Now there is no need to even discxuss with you, so I will stop here. An Eritrean Tigre has no use to an Ethiopian in discussion or anything else. |
| Posted By: Kewsu Posted On: May 6, 2002 Views: 994 | RE: Dying to know One more thing I live in US. And I am willing to die for Assab, Afar and Eritrea... any question??? 100% all elite Amhara or Ethiopians are ready to die this time around we don't want the poor to die for us.... Thanks |
| Posted By: B. Abay Posted On: May 7, 2002 Views: 986 | RE: Dying to know Kewsu you really are Kews. I thought for a moment I was making a conversation with a sane person, no I'm talking to a person who went a little kookoo, maybe over Asab. first of all never sneak your nose where it doesn't belong.you may agree or disagree with opinions but you can't deny facts (history) which I out lined originally. you are resorting to the same tactic that has been used and abused by many, which is if you have a weak argument, put the person's identity/loyalty in question. therefore I take it as if you rolled over and surrendered. in fact who is Ethiopian those who say "let's just close our eyes and go to war" when we know it is bad deal or those who say "may be we shouldn't", history will judge. but take this advice, before you join the army, ( of beer drinkers), no matter how you misrepresent me and many Ethiopians as eritrean we're not going to stop telling people like you "no more freakin war" in our land. by the way what is Ibdu doing in US? shouldn't he be in ethiopia (near asab). but in the mean time, we should proceed the conversation in the future when you restore your sanity (asab). |
| Posted By: Gerado Posted On: May 7, 2002 Views: 983 | RE: Dying to know Hi B Abay! What does "no more freakin war" mean? Is it supposed to be an inspirational slogan that Ethiopians must surrender their liberty for the fear of war? You (Eritreans) are evil people you want to call yourselves independent by taking away the liberty of 65 million Ethiopians. And by the way what do you have in Assab. You hardly knew it. Just because Italy once controlled it you want to have it now? And who are you to make an excuse of an Italian created incident to take away the lights of 65 million Ethiopians? And who are you to force the entire Afar to be under your grip when they resent your association? |
| Posted By: Gerado Posted On: May 7, 2002 Views: 974 | RE: Dying to know One more point I live in US so I can't join army but there are million poor Ethiopia willing to die for this cause so don't ask me going to war or not. I am not going I am doing study for Ethiopia. When I finished my study I will go to Ethiopia and be big shoot... |
| Posted By: B. Abay Posted On: May 8, 2002 Views: 968 | RE: Dying to know Gerado (aka kewsu) you got to be an eritrean who is palying trick here or a real dumb guy to say "there are million poor ethiopian to die but not me". |
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