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Posted By: pm MELES Posted On: May 4, 2002 Views: 832	RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] - creating a fair democratic political environment, For this we have to have balance of power. Israel and Arab, TPLF and OLF, can not have fair democratic political environment while there is unbalance of power b/w them. Look Somalia automatically achieved peace when opp. sides attend balance of power. If fight broke out in Somalia there not be a clean winner so every one keep to himself. In Case of Ethiopia if fight broke out b/w amhara, OLF and TPLF... TPLF WILL win because of the power they have so it is not in the best interest of TPLF to give a chance to fair democratic political environment when they can go and loot at will why give up. Wishing fair democratic political environment while one side have power is foolishness... This balance of power will not be there forever one day out of a blue Meles can be killed and TPLF will lose it leader and when fight broken out between themselves power can be shifted to oromo or Amhara... that day the tigray people will be the one who is crying... one more point the Amhara such as EDP doesn't want the power to go to OLF. What EDP wants is the power to given to them and loots the Oromo in place of TPLF. EDP IS NOT out there to protect OLF interest they are out there to oppress OLF BY replacing TPLF... NOW how can we achieve balance of power? The answer is very easy... arm the oromo... in fact it is in best interest of TPLF to arm OLF and so the oromo protect themselves from wolf such as EDP... if EDP GET power we will be back to square one. - making our country self sufficient to feed its people, We can't make Ethiopia self sufficient if we continue using old method of farming and if we continue buying artificial fertilizer. Ethiopia import more them 300 million dollars worth of artificial fertilizer... of course Ethiopian farmer farm the land for 1000 years without fertilizer so the land need fertilizer the question is what kind of fertilizer.. The answer is natural fertilizer will do better job then artificial fertilizer and natural fertilizer is easy to make and it is free but big American fertilizer company pays big commission to Ethiopia official so Ethiopian official are not interesting telling the power farmer they can get free fertilizer instead of take loan to by artificial one. and end up in jail for nonpayment of the loan he took last year. Second our farmer should have easy access to modern farming machine... to do that we have to rent modern farming machinery to them at reasonable price... Instead of the farmer buying one tractor now he can have access to number of modern farming machinery in rental base. If the farmer has easy access to tractor then he can farm a large farm and become profitable... and help Ethiopia to become self sufficient to feed its people, - making possible the access of potable water for every household, Easy go and read www.deeprock.com they have machinery for potable water... this machine only cost 2000 dollars. Go and read their website and tell me what you think about it. - getting electricity for every household, Make electricity power satiation 49 % private this way the private management and owner see to it every one get electricity and pay for it. - fighting ignorance, A learned people can have Ignorance about unknown thing too. for example EDP doesn't trust OLF. so they are not ready to share power with OLF. - fighting AIDS/HIV...etc. FIRST understand how AIDS/HIV work. AIDS/HIV is a very big business every year Ethiopia import 300 million dollars AIDS PILL so it is only point of view for big drug company AIDS pill make them rich while Ethiopia getting poorer. The same with GUN Company their profit goes up when there is a WAR... SO if you understand this Ethiopia also fight AIDS/HIV by building business around It.. because of AIDS/HIV it is easy to unity people and work with them. because of AIDS/HIV it is easy to change people behavior so if we stop seeing AIDS/HIV as evil thing instead seeing it as blessing in disgust.. then we will win the fight. Today it is easy to tell Ethiopian make to stay with one girlfriend or get marred. Today it is easy to tell Ethiopian our sex industries killing us so we need a change of behavior at national level. To day it is easy to make a mass marriage ceremony.
Posted By: Hassabu Posted On: May 5, 2002 Views: 814	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Thanks for the effort that you have vested in trying to give a brife account for the issues that I had raised. Some of your points are appreciable and some of them seem a bit to the right.We are here advocating peaceful democratic process, atleast as aconcept,but you want us to examine the sad scenario of Somalia. To be frank, is this with some hidden motive? or with a genuine intent to give a counter example that has relevance to our country's current situation. Power balnace or military superemacy might enable to cure the symptom, but it doesn't solve the problem. It is only in the round table with proper dialogue, compromise and accomedation of diffrences that we can have a lasting solution to the danger that is paused to our country at this point and time. In case of HIV/AIDS you had pointed that our country spends its meger hard currency to import medicen, well this is a one side effort to combat the enamy, we should give equal importance to dry it from its source. We need to have a biggest ever campaigne to teach our fellow citezens,as it is aiming a very productive part of our socity. Some of our camapigne should focus on creatin awerenes on the following: - what is HIV/AIDS? - which habits need to be cahnged? - Which cultural activities might help to be infected by the virus? - Access to Condom, - Access to prenaptual test for both parties,...etc. To achive this it is imperative to use every avilable avenue,to name some of them: - recruting task force from every spectrum of the socity to..., - Using sufferes to share their experiance, - running a program on radio and Tv, - writing articles on news papers, leflets and megazines, - Using POSTERS, - preparing short educational Dramas, - giving seminar at school, church, mosque, "kebel", "Edire","YE GEBERE MAHEBER"...etc. I think it can be done and it is evident from what I've jotted down above,it is a matter of real interest in our country's future and its people well being. N.B: I am not trying to deny the effort that has been geared towards HIV/ADIS in the country, so far, here I am only trying to shade some light on where this effort should be to tackel this glommy shadow.
Posted By: pm MELES Posted On: May 6, 2002 Views: 801	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] ... Hassabu, you can't send an army to fight AIDS AND HIV. I think AIDS have a good part and good for business if we know how to deal with it... It is just like fire... if we don't know how to use fire it will destroy us. If we know how to use it fire will serve our need. As I said Ethiopia number one industry is sex industry... how can you change people behavior? When I give example about Somilia I was not joking... take an example USSR AND USA had balance of power... for this reason they avoid war. India and Pak. avoid war. Iran and Iraq. Avoid war... but when ever unequal power exist there is always war I give you an innovating way to fight AIDS and poverty no you go foolishness. How on earth TPLF will give their power to EDP and allow EDP to abuse them TPLF or any other party doesnt mind losing election but this no losing election. It is losing every thing No our fool Hassabu think TPLF should lose to EDP so that we can call it democracy. My thing is I am much worried what EDP will do to Oromo and Agame people they will skin them alive. EDP make it clear that they want ASSAB. THEY want Eritrea so who is going to go to War. THE answer is the poor where you get those poor Oromo people have unlimited supply of poor youth. So EDP willing to abuse my people for next 3000 years. Again my worry is how about EDP refused to leave power. Dont tell me EDP is an angle sin free party My innovate method is very simple if TPLF lose power they should not be run by winner party. If TPLF granted they will not be run over by winning party then they have nothing to fear. So they will open up to democracy. Again my worry is does EDP IS UP TO THE JOB? Can EDP tolerate OLF? All this will bring us to balance of power IF EDP, TPLF AND OLF HAVE power they will not go to war with each other GET IT IF ONE OF LOSE POWER THEY STILL PROTECT THEMSELVES.. this is like NY POLICE can not cross State line even they cant follow criminal across state line. I will tell you million time. If TPLF, EDP AND OLF have army that only answer to local government not to Addis Ababa government we will be done from instability that come from over throwing elected government by military.
Posted By: hassabu Posted On: May 7, 2002 Views: 787	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Dear Melese, I do wonder why people choose to write for the sake of writing with no substance. The word reply implies giving explanation,response,..etc to the one that had been written to someone. Thus my dear friend whenever you write a reply to me, please make it spacific and to the issues that I had raised or entertained. I have read your article and find it quite interiging, and I don't belive in your analysis of association of miltary might with political parties. If this is the case we are heading to our bloody Medival period of ethiopian history, where rivaleries settling the score at the battle field. I do differ and I bleive that this is not the wish and desire of our fellow citezens to go along with this "WATCH YOUR BACK" way of political climate.Military should be independent and loyal to the constitition not to different factions, atleast I wish so!
Posted By: PM MELES Posted On: May 8, 2002 Views: 781	RE: RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Dear Hassabu, Said "Military should be independent and loyal to the constitution not to different factions, atleast I wish so! " I wonder where this fool live? I am too I wish military independent and loyal to constitution. How is going to tell me TPLF army is loyal to constitution and independent. If that the case then we would not have problem... We are talking about Africa where there is no system to make sure Military is kept independent and loyal to the constitution Meles can fire the Military head at any time and can start war at will. TPLF military is under him that is why he is doing what he is doing. Now to balance this power I said let have the same number of army and firepower for Amhara and Oromo so Meles will not have 100% power over our Military. In a way Meles share the truth power with Amhara and Oromo by sharing military power... Look Eritrea and Ethiopia have an independent army that does not stop them from wanting to live peacefully that is why they sign peace agreement... Look the flip side also when Eritrea want to force her wish of Ethiopia Ethiopia refused only refusal would not have worked if Ethiopia had not have military power... Eritrea would have run over us took whatever they think theirs since we have military power we keep our ground... What I want to create is a turn independent state that is united by their will only. NY policies are not paid by TX taxpayer. NY policy in way they are independent and loyal to NY pubic then TX. Then don't force TX law in NY. So they are not loyal to TX because they are living in NY and they only follow NY law and order and get paid by NY local government. In way American is a truth independent nations that come together... each state run like independent nations. Anyway Djibouti and Ethiopia have independent army and they have military loyal to their local government does that stop Ethiopia and Djibouti from become trade partner? What I am saying is when EDP COME TO power and if they have total control of army then if they refused to leave power who is going to force them to leave power. Since the army is in their control the will run over whoever refused their ruling... But if we allow TPLF to keep their arm only in Agame region and if we allow OLF TO KEEP THEIR ARMY IN OROMO REGION then if EDP refuse to leave power after two term the oromo and the Agame will refused to be ruled by out law ruler... if EDP ARMY cross AGAME LAND TPLF ARMY WILL DIFFENED THEIR LAND AND FREEDOM... After all who said freedom is free. If EDP and Amhara want one national army loyal to constitution then we have TPLF arm now and let's keep them... we don't need new army even after Meles gone we should keep TPLF ARM as it is. and disarm OLF AND EDP or AAPO army and all should join TPLF arm... if that what you want then that is what you get.
Posted By: Yanni Posted On: May 8, 2002 Views: 778	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] What is this.....? In this rather bizzare exchange, "Hassabu" & "PM Melles" seemed be the same writer pretending to be 2 individuals with two opposing views. For starters, the ideas presented are full of innuendos, false assumptions, grossly opinionnated/partisan, and have opted to address grand issues with flat out erroneous premeises. The following inconsistencies are vividly visible: 1. EDP is assumed as an Amhara organization. Acording to this individual, anything a Tigrean does not control is automatically labelled Amhara. Please open your eyes on the program of EDP and on who is who inside EDP before you label it as an ethnic entity. 2. Mr. 'bright idea' also insinuates that TPLF army should stay intact? Another ethnic based idea without any vision. 3. This 'genius' is also insulting Oromos by making them look that they are not part of the equation and that they are only good to fight wars that others instigate. What crock! 4. I can go on and on about the fallacies of this so-called 'y'hassab liwiwiT' but I will just cut it short not to torment the readership.
Posted By: The Patriot Posted On: May 8, 2002 Views: 774	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Yanni
Posted By: The Patriot Posted On: May 8, 2002 Views: 770	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Dont try to work it out. I will tell you exactly what this is all about. First of all,either: PM Meles is an eritrean who hasnt made it past the third grade, like most eritreans, infiltrating Ethiopian web-sites to post ridiculous, inconsistent ideas meant to disrupt the delicate balance of civilized discussions. OR He is the real PM Meles(you never know these days) and the guy is just a goddamn idiot. EITHER WAY; what PM Meles has to say is not worth reading. All of the guys opinions have deep roots in guerilla warfare that establishes fire power as a way to measure equality or superiority. -This type of logic comes from two sorts of people in the world: 1. The somalians who have basically returned to the mid-evil period-dividing up their nation based on fire power and autocratic rule at the hands of warlords. 2.the elite eritreans(which is anyone who at least been trained to use the bathroom correctly)who have hailed all power to their emperor isayas.
Posted By: Yanni Posted On: May 9, 2002 Views: 756	RE: RE:- How to make stable Ethiopia [reply to Hassab] Patriot, I think you may be right about the real PM Meles writing these sensless wild ideas. He is known to masquerade and misrepresent his identity one too many times. I also highly suspect your theory that this is the rambling of an eritrean. They do that all the time. What these characters are trying to do is confuse and soil the already 'soiled' political atmosphere that exists in our country. By doing that, they in essence, sow their deep-seated hatred towards the Ethiopian people. However, what they fail to see is that Ethiopians are far more smarter than they are. They know exactly who and what they are up to. In a nut shell, thy are no match to the far-sighted Ethiopian populace at any given time.