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| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Dec 21, 2002 Views: 1957 | Freewill and existence! Okay, because there is no message board for this topic, here's my incomplete thoughts! First I will STATE the truths...warning: you may not like them! Freewill does NOT exist! There IS a purpose for the existence of everything object! Note: These have been LOGICALLY proven! To understand these concept DOES require immense amounts of brain power! Hey, in understanding it you will probably make NEW neutral connections you never knew you were capable of making! It is a great leap in understanding, no, seriously, it is! I can't write the proof here (plus it's very extensive), but I can tell you that if you understand it, I mean REALLY understand it (not just saying so), you may have regretable beliefs from the past...as I have. My beliefs and willingless to blindly follow what society dictates was a mistake! Now I'm free...and out to cause extensive damage to "society's" idea of reality (figuratively speaking)! It's also a bit of fun to automatically be able to spot flaws in understanding all the time...no offence! Though I still value some basic ideas people have, just not the majority of them! Make a careful note: No amount of inconclusive evidence is justification for taking things for granted!!!!!! You can either prove it, or you cannot! If you are not 100% sure, you cannot! Hey, sometimes the reality of reality really sucks! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 22, 2002 Views: 1953 | RE: Freewill and existence! Hi Carl, You say in your comments: "Freewill does NOT exist! There IS a purpose for the existence of everything object! Note: These have been LOGICALLY proven! To understand these concept DOES require immense amounts of brain power!" As you must believe that YOU have 'immense amounts of brain power' to understand the 'proof' that freewill does not exist, I suppose that us mere mortals we will just have to accept your word for it. I wonder why I am finding this difficult? Perhaps it has something to do with your following comment:"You can either prove it, or you cannot!" Keith |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 1, 2003 Views: 1944 | RE: Freewill and existence! Hi Keith, Carl here I can understand where you coming from! When you say an object has a purpose, that's true, but if it didn't exist, nothing would! This applies on all scales. This is based on the fact that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one form to another. When I say immense brain power, I don't mean it lightly, though I'm trying to avoid being spectular, even though it's hard to! When I say it, in mean you have to "bend" you though processes in a different direction to what most think. Try and understand the following and it may give you a lead: The occurrence of an event by your actions is the result of them, which cannot be reverse because you are always doing something! You cannot "undo" what you are doing. When I say freewill doesn't exist, it psychologically does (from our perspective), by physically it doesn't, because if it did, you could do anything, which is impossible! Here's another thought: ...Okay, you get on a bus. You made the decision to get on it. But that decision depended firstly on whether or not you thought about getting on the bus, and secondly on whether you decided to or not! The fact that you got on the bus means you got on it! It happened! This means you only made one decision because that's all you could do! You only make one decision all the time! These decision are events (which either do or don't occur in certain SPECIFIC ways). An event can only occur, because that's all it can do! Application: Now, in the universe, the only thing that happens are events, all the time! This means there is 100% chance of an event occurring in the universe, because they can't NOT occur! If things only happen, therefore, then every event you see happen was going to happen (in whatever way) before you witnessed it. If you understand that, which I hope you do, it is minutely insightful; it's only the tip of the ice berg though! For me, this is a taster...yum! Hope that helped. |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 2, 2003 Views: 1941 | RE: Freewill and existence! Still some problem with the theory. Um...does anyone know what the equation for the Helium ground state (using the schrodinger equation) is? I was wondering if it's possible to include electric repulsion effects and magnetic equations in it? Oh, and relativistic effects? |
| Posted By: Bigman Posted On: Jan 2, 2003 Views: 1937 | RE: Freewill and existence! What a prize jerk! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 2, 2003 Views: 1935 | RE: Freewill and existence! No, just a kid trying to make out he knows more than he does. I suspect he's very bored. |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 2, 2003 Views: 1932 | RE: Freewill and existence! Yes, on that praticular day i was bit, sorry about the trash talk, but now i'm here and value your thoughts and opinions on these matters. Though the things i talked about did have some relevance. I do have about 60 pages of ideas and propositions, of which some are not just mine, and i valued that insight (give credit where its due). I've been working on them since 1998, but there are still some ideal that i can't get my head completely around; and some here might already know the solution. For all i know, some of these idea a trivial, or even decades old. But, as always, you never know if you don't try. I need some help with areas of understand in the quantum sciences (including quantum cosmology), and I'm not kidding this time! I be back so with some relevant questions! |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 2, 2003 Views: 1929 | RE: Freewill and existence! If you exist, you have an effect on something, right!? Now from my comment about the 0D-2D plane in big bang! (should be big bang???), one implication, if energy is not conserved, is that we don't exist. If energy is conserved, then we do (i'm assuming that's a basic axiom). If we don't exist, we shouldn't have an effect on anything, yet we perceive we do, and thus we perceive we exist. This is by the sense of coarse. I'm not saying we don't exist, but my suspicions were aroused when i first thought if it. What do you think? The fact that nth-dimensional space-time is expanding was, (energy increasing) felt like a give away. But, i could be wrong again still. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 4, 2003 Views: 1924 | RE: Freewill and existence! You say: >>The fact that nth-dimensional space-time is expanding was, (energy increasing) felt like a give away. But, i could be wrong again still.>> I don't know where you get your ideas from. "nth-dimensional space time" with increasing energy??? Looks like a case of too much Star Trek. |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 4, 2003 Views: 1921 | RE: Freewill and existence! Query: We don't know, for a fact, how many dimensions (both space and time) exist, right!? We just assume, based on our theories, that there are a certain number (say 4D space-time from Einstein), but we don't know for sure!? My thought is, given we don't know exactly how many there are, we can assume there are "n" dimensions. By that I mean a definite but unknown number of them. If there were an infinite number of them, because everything is some form of energy, i take that as being an infinite amount of energy! The problem being, can an infinite amount of energy be conserved? Or even exist? I thought about it: since, from Einstein, he said so long as this amount doesn't change, it's conserved, it may be possible to have any "amount" of energy. But that may be a violation, so I'll leave it. Another assumption!?: If you can create energy, you equally have the capability to destroy it. In fact, creating it is equivalent to destroying it (just an idea). A friend of mine worked out the following: Measuring the distance between any two real points is equivalent to measuring no distance. This stems from the 0-dimensional plane idea. Everything you can possibly think about that exists is made of some form of energy, right!? Even dimensions!? Space and time (0-dimensional) don't expand!? Isolate things, pull them apart, be un-conventional!? Be daring!? For all we know, our reality is nonsense, right? Why can't understand?? |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 4, 2003 Views: 1920 | RE: Freewill and existence! Too much to write! Gooh! If I end up having to explain everything, should I? Or why bother? |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 5, 2003 Views: 1914 | RE: Freewill and existence! I think I've had more than my fair share of words now. I'll leave you alone to get on with the job. Adding the extra topics was a spur of the moment thing. Shouldn't have done it! You site is still quite interesting and has a nice setup: like it a fair bit! I don't think I should have writing all this stuff here; only makes things worse I guess. Anyway, just wondering what you think about this topic (or anyone else). The ideas here just for peoples' opinions, right!? So I have given nothing more than a fling! My opinion is only one of billions! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 6, 2003 Views: 1910 | RE: Freewill and existence! Hi Carl, Everyone is entitled to their opinion and entitled to post it here if they wish. Anyone else is of course entitled to dissagree with it if they wish. That's what message boards are for. |
| Posted By: Carl Rofe Posted On: Jan 28, 2003 Views: 1883 | RE: Freewill and existence! Do you know who Stephen Hawking is? (the wheelcar guy) He developed quantum cosmology. I like heavy theory and equations, that's just me. I know you don't necessarily need it to comment on these topics, but i find it beneficial. I'll try to explain it a bit better. I hope you understand. The more people understand the better. When I said freewill doesn't exist it meant when you make to decision to do something, that decision you were going to make, you were meant to make it (it was made for you). If you would like to make any sense of it, read the following carefully. My ideas are real. There is no crap here. If something occurs, something must existence in order for that event to occur. If something doesnt exist, then nothing can occur, because nothing exists that can allow the event to occur. Energy is required for both an event to occur, and for something to exist. Therefore, one could say: Energy :(equivalent to) The Existence of something An event An occurrence It has been postulated that for every instant in time there exists an infinite number of possible outcomes as the result of an event occurring to cover all the possible scenarios that could take place in the next instant, or duration in time. Another interpretation: You have a large number of options for what you can do next (the next action you do in time); but in the end, you will only make ONE choice! The number of options is almost infinite, obviously, though you final choice must still be governed by the laws of your existence! Thus you final single choice has limits that are automatically applied to it! The entire-verse is everything that has, is or will occur, in all forms, as energy; all meaning any possible form of which can stably occur in the entire-verse for any duration of time! Events (objects, fields) either do or dont occur (do or dont exist), under an exact set of circumstances at or during an exact moment or duration in time. If an event doesnt occur, it doesnt, and it never will; under the exact set of circumstances it was specified at that exact time. If an object doesnt exist in certain form of energy (at a certain instant in time), it never exists (THEN). A form of energy can even be a dimension; because dimensions exist, and are therefore energy! Therefore, there is either 0 or 100% chance of something happening/existing at any instant in time, at any location in the universe, in any direction, at any order of magnitude (less than that of the entire-verse of coarse). The time, location, direction and magnitude of the event must be within the entire-verse in order for it to occur at all. Nothing exists outside the entire-verse, because there IS no outside. Now, because the existence of all objects and the occurrence of all events can only be in the entire-verse, the chance must be 100%, because the entire-verse is only place where events (objects) can occur (exist); occur (exist) is the only thing an event (object) can do! Events/objects MUST occur/exist in the universe! Therefore, if there is 100% chance of something occurring (existing), then this chance is predictable to 100 %, because it will occur (exist) anyway: in the universe. Thus, if everything is predictable to 100%, then everything as already been determined before its evident! Therefore, if everything has been determined, nothing can be changed! Your actions and the laws of the entire-verse are the causes of this, meaning your actions are predetermined because the laws determine them! This is what I call the concept of predetermination! Since you think you decide what your actions are going to be, you think you can change the future, when really, you cant! You are, in fact, making the change that was going to happen anyway! Reality is an event, because it exists! It's because of predetermination that i view freewill as non-existant. I hope something clicked there. It's not twisted in any way. If you need to, read very slowly. I didn't think this up over night: created 21st october 02. I am very sceptical of the BB theory. I do have many ideas, but people may not understand them in the way i think they might. I see our perception of ALL "reality" as the problem. Reality doesn't favour things, because it itself is predetermined (see above). The above was a GENERAL idea! What do you think? Can anyone nail my points?? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 28, 2003 Views: 1880 | RE: Freewill and existence! Hi Carl, Having read carefully though your comment I am a little confused by your circular reasoning. You say that if everything is predictable to 100% then everything has already been determined before its evident If that were really the case, then that statement would be correct, but thats a hell of a big if that you start that argument with. You then go on to say Therefore, IF everything has been determined, nothing can be changed! Again, you are ASSUMING that everything has been determined, then use that as an argument to say You are, in fact, making the change that was going to happen anyway! Very circular reasoning as I first said. You cannot prove a hypothesis by assuming your hypothesis is correct! When you say, for example You have a large number of options for what you can do next (the next action you do in time); but in the end, you will only make ONE choice! What you are really saying is that because the EVENTUAL outcome could only be ONE outcome, then THAT PARTICULAR outcome was the ONLY outcome that it could be. This is nonsense of course. Looking back in history we can say for example that Brazil won the World Cup, but it is not correct to say that Brazil winning was THE only outcome, Germany could have won. So Brazil winning was not predictable to 100% Im sorry but your argument is seriously flawed. Bye the way, I did read through it very slowly. Keith CLICK ON PAGE 2 FOR CONTINUATION OF THIS TOPIC |
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