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| Posted By: An open mind Posted On: Jun 13, 2007 Views: 2017 | Two choices - both always existed "So what is this mysterious source of energy that we are compelled to introduce? Many people will say that it is God and that He always existed. We either accept that or accept that the universe itself must have always existed. We are now left with just these two possible solutions, either God created the universe and He always existed, or the universe itself always existed. The solution requires that something has always existed in order to avoid the problem of creating something out of nothing. The choice of introducing God is purely a matter of faith, for if we accept that God could have always existed then why not the universe? From a logical point of view within this model we do not need the existence of God, God is just a further complication that in turn would require to be created. If we ruthlessly apply Ockham's razor to the idea of introducing God into the model we are left with the universe always existing. However, for those of you of a religious nature allow me to make myself clear. I am NOT saying (here) that God does not exist, only that the idea of introducing God into the equation is not necessary in order to make it work." As you stated, there are two choices. One without a consequence after death ( big bang ) and one with ( Creator ). You chose to believe the one without a consequence, therefore when you die, if you are wrong, then you will pay the consequence of the other. Why take such a huge risk? Because it's easier? Is that worth what will potentially happen after death FOR ETERNITY? ;) I can only suggest that you open your mind to religion and give the Creator option a chance. I personally follow the Bible and ONLY the teachings within ( no other books ), so it would be my suggestion. Something to chew on. I'm no expert, but the Bible states we were created in God's own image. What if God is a super advanced technological being ( that knows how to use ALL of his brain! haha )? Given enough time, don't you think that eventually we would be able to do just about anything with technology? I mean - when I was reading sci-fi stories as a kid, I never would have thought that CLONING would happen! I'm not saying we could be equal to God, just that with technology, creation isn't quite as "OUT THERE" as you may think. ;) Good luck! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 13, 2007 Views: 2012 | RE: Two choices - both always existed You may be right about God creating the universe, who can tell? Your argument that it would be safer to believe in God is a valid argument. However it is not possible to make yourself have faith in God, you either have faith or you don't. I also think that "to follow the bible and only the teachings within (no other books)." is not conducive to broadening your horizons. Why restrict yourself to one book when we have millions? Anyway, that aside good comments. |
| Posted By: An open mind Posted On: Jun 13, 2007 Views: 2010 | RE: Two choices - both always existed "However it is not possible to make yourself have faith in God, you either have faith or you don't." That's why I mentioned to pursue religion. I can't force you to have faith, I have to let God do that work. ;) So far as why only the Bible... because the Dead Sea Scrolls origins are measurable and many things contained within have been proven as fact. That and there's a large "support group" for the Bible. heh Take care! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 14, 2007 Views: 2003 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Using the same argument I can tell you for instance that there are a lot of proven facts in the book "2001: A Space Odyssey", its the same thing as what you are saying about the bible. This does not however mean that everything in it is true, or that it contains all the truth in the universe. I have found that the more I read the more I learn, therefore to restrict myself to just one source of information would be a very dumb thing to do. |
| Posted By: Bright Posted On: Jun 14, 2007 Views: 2001 | RE: Two choices - both always existed I've heard that argument so many times before, and I can't stand it. When I ask someone if they really truly believe in God, many say they are doubtful, but choose to believe anyway because at least they'll go to heaven when they die, instead of remaining gone for eternity. If you agree with these people, then let it be known that you are take advantage of God. You're using him for your own personal gain, and it's a straight up cop-out. If you truly believe then that is great, but if you are doubtful, then I don't understand how you can morally be OK with "choosing" to believe. I don't really know what I would recommend either. Maybe just keep an open mind, but don't force yourself into faith because you're a coward. I'm only saying all this because I know so many people like that. Thx. _Bright |
| Posted By: An open mind Posted On: Jun 15, 2007 Views: 1997 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Exactly. If you don't truly believe, then how can you know you're in good with God? All I'm saying is to give creation a SOLID chance and see if God moves you, since there is scientific reasoning that we could have been created by a far advanced lifeform... ;) Certainly makes more sense to me than a big bang followed by evolution. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 15, 2007 Views: 1993 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Who then created this more advanced lifeform? |
| Posted By: Bright Posted On: Jun 16, 2007 Views: 1988 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Scientific proof that we could have been created by a far advanced life-form? Whats the proof? Poof! Adam and Eve? Or evolution, which has been clearly shown to exist, and sounds much more reasonable. I just don't understand how you could say an advanced life-form is more believable than the science of evolution, and all the facts that support the big bang (as stated in Keith's topic). |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 16, 2007 Views: 1986 | RE: Two choices - both always existed I must admit that whenever I run into people that say that they don't believe in evolution I am at a bit of a loss as to what to say. To me that makes as much sense as saying you don't believe in gravity. I think I'll just leave it there, I have been down this God route many times and it is pretty much pointless. I also usually find that it is Americans that don't believe in evolution, and I have read in the newspapers in the UK that creationism is now taught in American schools as a serious theory to rival evolution. Only in America could this happen, to go backwards through scientific discovery to the the age of ignorance. |
| Posted By: Bright Posted On: Jun 16, 2007 Views: 1984 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Keith I'm from America, and what your saying is pretty biased and untrue. If you do your research (and I know your capable) you will find America is teaching this no more than your country is. Try not to be so stereotypical. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 17, 2007 Views: 1982 | RE: Two choices - both always existed What part of this is biased? They teach Creationism at American schools as a serious theory to rival evolution. We do not teach it in the UK as we are not that daft and leave it to those of a religous nature who choose to believe it. |
| Posted By: JAmes Rick Posted On: Jun 17, 2007 Views: 1979 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Ha, Keith the UK is lame, get real. America will over power your small, weal, lame Arses any day. Don't try to make diarrehea smell pretty...it doesn't...HAHA |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 18, 2007 Views: 1977 | RE: Two choices - both always existed Thank you for your contribution. |
| Posted By: Bright Posted On: Jun 18, 2007 Views: 1975 | RE: RE: Two choices - both always existed Yea Keith America is a great country, as may the UK be, but we've definitely got ya by the ballz if you know what I'm sayin. Your welcome for this contribution. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 18, 2007 Views: 1972 | RE: Two choices - both always existed You may think that, and that is your entitlement, but the rest of the world thinks that America is a land of arseholes with a President as top arsehole. |
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