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| Posted By: dog2099 Posted On: May 25, 2004 Views: 353 | RE: Theories and crackpots just beacuse sommone says its true does not mean it is for example as i recall it was once "known" that the world was flat why was this accepted as a fact beacuse the scientists using the technologie they had thought that it was the only way the world logicaly could be they are doing the same thing with the BBT just on a larger scale |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 25, 2004 Views: 350 | RE: Theories and crackpots Perhaps the world IS flat! How do you know it isn't? |
| Posted By: Zoogies! Posted On: May 28, 2004 Views: 344 | RE: Theories and crackpots Disregarding the rest of this topic, which I haven't read yet... "It is possible to be right for the wrong reasons." Yes, I fully agree, that's a certain possibility...so then, the BBT must be false? What are you saying!? There has been a great deal of experimental evidence in favor of the Big Bang Theory, but since there is a remote possibility of them being right for the wrong reasons, the Big Bang Theory is VERY LIKELY false. What?! Where is the logic in that? |
| Posted By: Zoogies! Posted On: May 28, 2004 Views: 343 | RE: Theories and crackpots Also... Darth Vader, your own inability to digest and comprehend theories does not make them false. If you can't understand something, go find someone to explain it to you rather than outright reject it...anyone who claims that scientists are closeminded, ought to take a good hard look at their own lot. |
| Posted By: Darth Vader Posted On: May 30, 2004 Views: 333 | RE: Theories and crackpots Hi Zoogies, I completely understand the BBT! I don't claim scientist are close-minded, just that some are, unfortunately, biased. Keith pages are easier to understand than high school mathematics! And his links are just as easy! There aint anything "special" or "certain" about the BBT, because it's just, as I've pointed out, a theory!!! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 16, 2004 Views: 326 | RE: Theories and crackpots It is self evident that Darth Vader, Carl Rolfe, and many others, are very confused by the meaning of the word theory. They think it's just an idea, something unsupported, just a passing thought, that will someday be proved wrong 'because it's just a theory'. Theories can only ever be theories, even when demonstrated to be 100% correct and beyond all challenge. They do not 'grow up' to become laws. A theory is a scientific explanation of why things do what they do and are what they are. They can be used to make predictions which can be observed, tested, measured and compared to the theory for accuracy and confirmation. They are based on sound mathematics and the scientific principles of empirical science. To say a thing is 'just a theory' as though it can be dismissed because of that, is to reveal your ignorance of how science works, which, by the way, explains why you think the BBT is wrong and propose alternative ideas that are not theories at all but simply someone's crazy opinion. learn the difference between theory and opinion, and science will begin to make sense. Continue to treat the ideas of an imbecile as though it were science and you will forever be unable to sort fact from fiction. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jul 20, 2004 Views: 315 | RE: Theories and crackpots This thread becomes more fun to read when you take into account that the posters Darth Vader and Nazdeck are one and the same person, and that person is CR. CR is also known as Carl Rofe, and also uses the names, Feild Day, Principle Skinner, Tez, Cosmic Catastrophy and Achilles Hell. Having a multiple personality disorder of this magnitude helps explain his weird postings and why he claims to be super intelligent. JUST USE THE ONE NAME CR, LIKE THE REST OF US, IT MAY HELP YOU CLEAR YOUR MIND. Keith |
| Posted By: GeoDen Posted On: Nov 17, 2004 Views: 272 | RE: Theories and crackpots People confuse ideas and theories. As Keith said, theories make testable predictions that agree with observation. A notion that makes no predictions is just an idea, it may be a good idea or a crackpot idea. After many experiments and rigorous testing, a theory whose predictions always prove correct, becomes what we call a fact. For example, Einstein's Relativity Theories. |
| Posted By: GeoDen Posted On: Nov 17, 2004 Views: 270 | RE: Theories and crackpots Darth, Carl ??? In my previous post I gave a simple explanation of the difference between a theory and an idea. I would like to hear your thoughts on this, from a person who completely understands BBT (not many of those around!) it should be child's play! |
| Posted By: GeoDen Posted On: Nov 17, 2004 Views: 269 | RE: Theories and crackpots Darth. On refelection, I've decided to give you a short lesson on how science works, it's called "The Scientific Method". First the scientist has an idea, he takes that idea and tests it against observable evidence, if it seems to fit at least some of it, he is encouraged and works towards making the idea into a theory. Then, when he is absolutely sure his theory is good he will publish a paper to be reviewed by his peers. For a little while he waits in trepidation, going over the theory in his mind, was anything left out? Any data missing? He worries like this because he knows that other scientists will do their absolute best to destroy his theory. That my friend, is the beauty of science, it doesn't matter whose theory it is, doesn't matter who you are, if your theory disagrees with observational experiments, it is wrong, simple as that. Our scientist can be sure of one thing though, his opponents will fight fair, only the utmost reason will be used against him. A good scientist will never stoop to ad hominem attacks or other silly ways of arguing. I hope you take this the right way, perhaps I can help you to cease your haverings that frankly, are not worthy of adult consideration. |
| Posted By: Helms Posted On: Jan 13, 2005 Views: 235 | RE: Theories and crackpots It's a good thing that some of these theories are challenged or else we'd still be thinking the earth is flat. |
| Posted By: nazdeck Posted On: Oct 22, 2005 Views: 163 | RE: Theories and crackpots Originally posted by Keith Mayes: "This thread becomes more fun to read when you take into account that the posters Darth Vader and Nazdeck are one and the same person, and that person is CR. CR is also known as Carl Rofe, and also uses the names, Feild Day, Principle Skinner, Tez, Cosmic Catastrophy and Achilles Hell. Having a multiple personality disorder of this magnitude helps explain his weird postings and why he claims to be super intelligent." Firstly, the only names I used, and those as much on a whim as the claim to be "super intelligent" (which I did not mean, so take it as a passing whim), were Field Day, Cosmic Catastrophe, Achilles Hell and Nazdeck, with Nazdeck being my preference :)! I did NOT used the names Principle Skinner, Tez or Darth Vader! Furthermore I would like to emphasis the point there's nothing wrong with my changing my views from time to time, and I re-emphasis and make a point of the site www.cosmologystatement.org on which a general idea of my views on the BBT are given. Please also take into account the number of signers that follow the article :)! Originally posted by Keith Mayes: "Theories can only ever be theories, even when demonstrated to be 100% correct and beyond all challenge." Like Darth Vader pointed out Originally posted by Darth Vader: "Theories aint a doctrines" I must must say I was impressed with Darth Vader's long post on the last page. Secondly, and as I'd like to point out, a "theory" can't be demonstrated to be 100% correct - which is not in accordance with the scientific method - and beyond all challenge because theories are always subject to scrutiny and challenge BEYOND the premises of the theory and due to the testing of theory against observations (as pointed out on www.cosmologystatement.org), not the other way around. I'm being nice here ok so the idea would be to take it like genuine discussion and not rant. Cheers :) |
| Posted By: nazdeck Posted On: Oct 22, 2005 Views: 162 | RE: Theories and crackpots There were some grammar and spelling errors in my last comment so any repeats just take as one :). I also acklnowledge the views of others in relation to the BBT and others and would like to point out that I myself DID once believe in the BBT, as I may have done earlier on in discussion in other threads. Cheers :) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 23, 2005 Views: 160 | RE: Theories and crackpots *Yawn* |
| Posted By: horizon Posted On: Oct 23, 2005 Views: 130 | RE: Theories and crackpots Yaaaaaaaaaaawn, yes thats right Keith well past your bedtime. |
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