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| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 1, 2008 Views: 1047 | Time is infinite Time is infinite. It's not "just numbers". It's a part of the physical world. It's real (as real as space, for instance). It's not just "all there is", because it will never end. Am I wrong? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 4, 2008 Views: 1037 | RE: Time is infinite How can time be infinite when it had a moment of creation, i.e. a beginning? Besides which it is not a solid object you can measure. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 4, 2008 Views: 1033 | RE: Time is infinite "How can time be infinite when it had a moment of creation, i.e. a beginning?" First of all: You are assuming that time had a beginning. I think that, for the moment, no one can assume that (or the opposite for the effect). So, no statament can be made regarding that problem. Second: let's assume that, after all, you are right. That time had a beginning. What's the problem with that? If time had a beginning but not any end then it would still be infinite. As you know, that would be something like: Time=[0; infinite[ wich is infinite. "Besides which it is not a solid object you can measure". "Solid object"?! Is that what we're talking about? I thought that your question about infinity included anything that was a part of this universe. And, excuse me, time is a part of this universe even if it isn't solid! Space isn't solid either and you never raised that argument in order to dismiss space as having a chance of being infinite (however, you used some other, very rational, arguments). And, well, as you know either, time can be measured (even if it isn't "solid")! Please, give me some "solid" answer to these points, ok? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 4, 2008 Views: 1031 | RE: Time is infinite 1) I am not 'assuming' that time had a beginning. The Big Bang clearly states that time came into being in this universe along with the other dimensions. I am not diverting off into discussing about time in other dimensions or time existing before the Big Bang as that would be mere guesswork, and I have no interest in people's guesses. I am also not getting into a discussion about the merits of the Big Bang. My argument here is that nothing in this universe, other than what is abstract, can be infinite. Infinity is I believe merely a useful, or not, mathematical tool. 2) You said 'So if time had a beginning...'. If it did then it can not possibly be infinite because by definition infinity is without limit, without end. A beginning is one of the 'ends'. I don't think you have got a grasp of exactly what infinity means. 3) You said "I thought that your question about infinity included anything that was a part of this universe." Then read my article on it again, because judging from your remarks you have either not read it or have no understanding of what you have read. 4) Please, give me some "solid" answer to these points, ok? I have. However, I have no intention however of answering any more of your questions as there is nothing more I can add. If you don't understand then that is too bad, I have tried my best to explain. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 5, 2008 Views: 1019 | RE: Time is infinite Reply from Ridler removed as it was out of date and some of his comments were no longer appropriate. Within a few minutes of posting my comments above I edited them on reflection. Leaving Ridler's comments would have therefore not made any sense. No other reason for removing so feel free to post again. I think you should, because it looks as though my 4 points above that you wanted from me make you look as if you have made a number of errors in your argument. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 5, 2008 Views: 1013 | RE: Time is infinite WOW! Congratulations for the hypocrisy... So, you insult me. Then you reflect upon your insult and decide to edit the insultuous part of your message. Finally-and because you were still bothered that others could know the truth (that you are a rude person) by reading me quoting your insult towards me-you decided to delete my last post. Shame on you, Torquemada. Now, go on and proceed by deleting this message too. P.S.: "...because it looks as though my 4 points above that you wanted from me make you look as if you have made a number of errors in your argument". Errors?! You are just a spin doctor. And a poor one. Is this your way to search for the truth? No, thanks, Sir. I'm leaving this black hole. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 5, 2008 Views: 1007 | RE: Time is infinite So you cut and run because your argument is wrong. Nothing that has a beginning can be described as being without end, i.e. infinite. Try thinking about it instead of getting angry because you were challenged or you will never learn anything. Goodbye and good riddance. No point in getting angry with me simply because you are unable to comprehend. PS. The part I removed from my previous post on reflection was simply the part where I described you as being arrogant and pompous. Good grief how awful, Oh my God, call the police! And I was right. You really do need to get a friggin life and get that broom handle out of your arse. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 6, 2008 Views: 999 | RE: RE: Time is infinite "You really do need to get a friggin life and get that broom handle out of your arse." Ladies and gentlman: this is the real Keith Mayes. The guy that runs a public message board and insults his guests. You may try to transvestite yourself with pretentious second-hand theories, but it seems like you'll never be a normal, decent human being. You must be a very miserable fellow, aren't you? I thank you, because you've just allowed me to show people who you really are...so, I consider that my first goal has just been reached. My second goal consists in showing other people that you are wrong, so that they may see that, even if this site is ran by an arrogant pseudo-scientist, they shall not be intimidated by his bully behavious. They shall not agree with him, just because he writes in an authoritarian tone and, so, they shall not give up from exploring their own thoughts and ideas, further and further. So, I'll show why Keith is wrong as from...now: a) Let's assume that time had a beginning. Let's not speculate more about it, ok? Time had a beginning. b) However, time will never end. c) So, time is inside the following interval: T=[0; infinite[. (0 is the beggining of time and "infinite" is the never ending end of the interval, because...time will never end.) d) If some of you doesn't know, just ask your children: what is the mathematical distance between 0 and infinite? Yes! The answer is: "it's an infinite distance". e) So, what's the problem with Keith's mind? Why does he think that time is not "really" infinite? Well, he says that time can't be infinite, because it has a "border". And the "border" is its beginning (when time was equal to 0). f) Keith's reasoning seems very intuitive, doesn't it? Yes it seems, but that's the problem! He didn't realize that even if it has a "border", time it's still infinite! g) Why didn't he realize it? Because his mind is biased by the intuitive and human experience of what a "border" is...because he thinks that "if it has a border than it must be finite"... h) However, mathematics doesn't care about daily experience or human perceptions. Maths is pretty cold and it shows us that even if time had a border, it still is infinite! Maths tells us that between 0 and infinite the distance is...infinite. i) Warning: Keith may try to twist the logic and tell you that he was not searching for abstract/mathematical infinities, but for "real" infinities. Folks, we are talking here about a REAL infinity: the infinity of time. And because time is infinite, there is mathematical evidence of its infinity-the evidence that I just mentioned. Please, ask Keith to give you mathematical proofs that time isn't infinite. Ask him not to be lost in is own biased and delusional para-scientific system of values. Just demand him some scientific evidence of why time is not infinite. i) He won't know how to give you scientific answers (or he will deliver those answers inside a "spin doctor" logic), because he lacks any trace of humility that could allow him to admit that he is just wrong. This was, really (and there's no point in provoking me, as I won't comeback), the last thing I thought that I should write here, so that people could judge things from a free point of view and not from the point of view of some cheap, pseudo-scientific and dogmatic discourse. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 994 | RE: Time is infinite Dear oh dear. You still don't get it do you. Allow me to explain in very, very simple terms that even a child can understand, no theoretical maths needed. Imagine you are in a super duper space ship and in deep space you happen across a very long cable that disappears into the far distance in both directions. You wonder if it may be infinite so you choose a direction and off you go. Eventually, after ages and ages, you come to the end of the cable. What a shame you say, its not infinite. At that moment up pops a weird alien who calls himself Ridler. He says 'Don't be silly of course its infinite because here is the proof' (here he draws lots of wiggly lines which are alien maths and claims that is the proof). 'But' you say 'never mind the alien maths, I have the end of the cable in my hand so how can it be infinite?' Weird alien Ridler says, 'Ah, but its infinite going the other way you fool, you just chose the wrong direction'. At this point you wisely decide enough is enough and return to your super duper spaceship and fly back to sanity. In summary: If it has an end it can't be infinite. A beginning is just an end coming from the other direction. If time has a beginning it cannot be infinite. I do hope that is firmly understood now. So try taking that broom handle out of your arse, life really will be more pleasant, really. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 991 | RE: Time is infinite AHAHAH!!! Simply ridiculous. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 989 | RE: Time is infinite And your proof of that is...? And let's not forget that in your sad attempt at 'proving' that time is infinite you introduce this statement right at the start of your argument: (your line b) 'However time will never end' Following this 'given' you then proceed to introduce Ridler maths to prove that indeed time has no end. Friggin amazing or what! Ridler logic: All pigs can fly because I say so, never mind why. That is a pig, therefore it can fly. QED I have proven my statement that all pigs can fly. Go away, you are too stupid to argue with. You are just making yourself look more of an idiot with every post you make. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 985 | RE: Time is infinite AHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! You are unbelievably funny!!! I just don't know wich is funnier: your rudness? or your ignorance? I suggest a new poll! eheheheheh!!!!!!!!!! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 981 | RE: Time is infinite Well at least no one can say I didn't give you every opportunity to reply to my posts where I show your argument to be totally wrong. That's it, I give up on you now, you are a waste of space. You have no answer, you are unable to admit you are wrong, so you resort to making stupid remarks and try to laugh it off. Idiot! (Confirmed) |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 976 | RE: Time is infinite "Well at least no one can say I didn't give you every opportunity to reply to my posts where I show your argument to be totally wrong." No one can tell that you are not a propper human being. You gave me "every opportunity"...I'm just crying. And you even bothered to "show" how wrong I am! How can I be so ungreatfull upon your (faked) wisdom? "That's it, I give up on you now, you are a waste of space." Yes. Wise advise. Let's spare space. Everything is so finite in this Universe. And, of course, the evil "monster of the finite things" could bite us if we dared to writte many things, wouldn't he? "You have no answer, you are unable to admit you are wrong, so you resort to making stupid remarks and try to laugh it off." I answered you, but don't give up: if, in the next life, you are allowed to reach the human intelect (given that, in the present, you seem to be in the cockroach stage), then you'll be able to understand it. But...well, it's a big "if", isn't it? "Idiot! (Confirmed)" Keith, you forgot to write "Signed" before this last sentence. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 7, 2008 Views: 973 | RE: Time is infinite Ridler: See this length of rope I am holding, its infinitely long. Keith: Really, how is that, I can see the end, you are holding it. Ridler: No, not this end, the other end is infinite. Keith: I see. (Exit stage left very fast). I am closing this thread, its going nowhere, Ridler refuses (has no answer) to answer my point that if time has a beginning, it cannot be infinite because that in itself is an 'end'. He also cannot respond to where I fault his argument. He says that time is endless as a given, then proceeds to use that 'given' to 'prove' that time is endless. Doh! Its like talking to a 5 year old. No, much worse than that. See my definition of infinity in the thread above this one. It will save needless and pointless arguments such as this. |