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| Posted By: Wormwood Posted On: Feb 12, 2008 Views: 2182 | No boundaries I think you have taken care of Ridler. He WAS a pompous git! Funny how he would make a point then when you came back with a reply he just refused to answer. I think you got him right, he could not bare to be seen tobe wrong. I really dont see how anthing can be infinite in the terms you discus, apart from your description of Nothing. But who knowz? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 13, 2008 Views: 2158 | RE: No boundaries Yeah, there is nothing more irritating and a waste of time than somebody who comes on, starts an argument, and then when challenged on the points they raise refuse to reply. If they can't stand to be shown wrong they shouldn't start an argument! Mind you, in his case, he was convinced he knew all there was to know (except when shown to be wrong). Sad. Very sad. |
| Posted By: Me Posted On: Feb 14, 2008 Views: 2143 | RE: RE: No boundaries I think people like Ridler confuse asymptotically approaching infinity with beco- ming infinite.A physical quantity has to be mea- surable to be meanigfull.And as long as it is measurable it will remain finite.If,for some reason,it would become unmeasurable it would become rather meaningless,but never infinite. For example,infinite density would mean zero volume.But is it reasonable to even talk about density if there's no volume ?I don't think so. Therefore,no use to search for infinite physical quantities(but that's just my opinion). |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 14, 2008 Views: 2140 | RE: No boundaries Hi Me, I think I agree with you but what does "asymptotically approaching infinity" mean? That's a new one on me. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 14, 2008 Views: 2138 | RE: No boundaries Be aware, Me! Whenever Keith doen't understand what other people are saying he just uses to ban them. It will be better for you if you just pretend that you're ignorant and that he is All Mighty Keith. By the way: "...this is the best attempt of describing where the universe came from that I could come up with: An infinite eternal unchanging nothing that has always existed and has always contained a finite but unbounded closed universe that constantly changes but is itself ETERNAL." Keith Mayes I'm still trying to figure out if he thinks that time is infinite or not... ****************************************************** Added by Keith: How many times do I have to tell you then? Exactly how dumb are you? You need to be told HOW many times before it finally sinks in? Keith ****************************************************** |
| Posted By: motley crue Posted On: Feb 14, 2008 Views: 2131 | RE: No boundaries Ridler is so funny he makes me laugh. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 14, 2008 Views: 2127 | RE: No boundaries He makes me laugh as well! |
| Posted By: Me Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2089 | RE: No boundaries Hi Keith, the best,easy explanation I can come up with: "tending towards...without the possibility to reach ..." I hope it's more clear now,what I meant. Best regards |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2086 | RE: No boundaries Hi Me, Thanks for that, I can understand it now! |
| Posted By: Wormwood Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2080 | RE: No boundaries I make a coment about ridler and end up asymptotically approaching infinity. Its a funny old world. I was looking up infinity and found myself looking at a mobious strip, that is one weird piece of paper. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/331665/no_magic_at_all_mobius_strip/ |
| Posted By: Me Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2073 | RE: RE: No boundaries Hi Ridler, I don't think Keith believes time is infinite, but I have to admit that words like "eternal", "always existed" are a little bit unfortunate. An infinite void that contains the(or many)universe(s) would suffice. But that's(again)just my opinion. Best regards |
| Posted By: motley crue Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2069 | RE: No boundaries Its impossible for time to be infinate because we live in the present. Time can never be infinate because it will always exist in the present. It doesnt matter how long the universe exists, time will always be finite becouse in order for something to be infinate it has to exist in both directions for ever. Lets asume that time is has always been, but since theres always a present time still cant be infinate. Its imposible for time to be infinate because it will never get there because it can't get there. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 15, 2008 Views: 2061 | RE: No boundaries Hi Me, Well, I really don't know wether Keith believes that time is infinite or not, because whenever I confront him with his own contradictions he doesn't reply to me. He just uses to go mad and deletes my messages...(strange behaviour) **************************************************** **************************************************** Note from Keith: I have explained this so many times to you its getting ridiculous! Time cannot be infinite because it has a beginning, the Big Bang, a beginning is a boundary, the definition of infinity I use admits of no boundaries. Got it know? If not ask your mum to explain it to you. Jesus you are so dense! Your messages have been deleted for time wasting, being pointless, refusing to answer my replies to your daft questions etc etc. Not strange behaviour at all. I have banned you, yet still allow you to post messages. I would say I have gone the extra mile with you. ****************************************************** ****************************************************** Mr. Motley, You were the one laughing at me...so, I find it weird that, for such a brilliant guy, you make so many absurd assumptions: "Its impossible for time to be infinate because we live in the present." That thing called "present" his a human construct. A part of our human perception of time and not how time really is (go on, if you don't understand this just laugh a little more...). Not to say that that "present" is very relative, as Einstein taught. "Time can never be infinate because it will always exist in the present." To say that time will always exist in the "present" is another human biased conclusion, again (and a contradiction in terms, too). If that was to be true, then time would never move on. Time would always stay still and, therefore, to be rigorous, time would not exist at all (and it does...). "It doesnt matter how long the universe exists, time will always be finite becouse in order for something to be infinate it has to exist in both directions for ever." No it doesn't. It could be infinite by existing forever only in one direction. But I won't discuss this anymore, since no one was able to dismiss the definition of infinite that I think that is correct (and that I presented in a very detailed link from Vaknin). "Lets asume that time is has always been, but since theres always a present time still cant be infinate. Its imposible for time to be infinate because it will never get there because it can't get there." Again. The same mistake. "Time flow" tells you something? Saying that time is always "present time" (even if it is a tempting statement for a human observer) is as absurd as if someone is walking through space say...1 meter...2 meters...3 kilometers...and at the end just state this: "well, I can't be moving, because I'm always HERE". Of course YOU ARE always in the place that YOU ARE, but...you moved, didn't you?! P.S.: Keith, before you delete this message I just ask you to think about this: have you read Motley's comments? How can I be accused of not having read the things you wrote on your site? How can you join laughs with a person that really says such an absurd nonsense and that, clearly, hasn't learned anything with any word that you wrote?... All in all, this is a very interesting social phenomenon... |
| Posted By: Me Posted On: Feb 16, 2008 Views: 2058 | RE: No boundaries "Time will always exist in the present" If there is only present,what does "always" mean? For Ridler, How would you describe the transition from finite time to infinite time? Or could you explain why such a transition would be possible? Best regards. |
| Posted By: Ridler Posted On: Feb 16, 2008 Views: 2049 | RE: RE: No boundaries Keith, "I have explained this so many times to you its getting ridiculous! Time cannot be infinite because it has a beginning, the Big Bang, a beginning is a boundary, the definition of infinity I use admits of no boundaries. Got it know? If not ask your mum to explain it to you. Jesus you are so dense!" So, you are still stuck with that obsolete definition?! And, how do you know if time had a beginning? It looks like I can't say that it won't end, but you are allowed to say that it had a start. Me, "How would you describe the transition from finite time to infinite time? Or could you explain why such a transition would be possible?" Good question. How would you explain the transition from your kitchen to your living room? This is: it's not the transition that really matters. The important think here is that the space is already there. Available for you to mover over it. We can say that you moved from point 0 towards point +100. However, even if you didn't move at all (or moved at different speed rates), the space is already there, waiting for you to move. A think that that's what happens with time. The time flow is connected with the development of facts and is object of human perception. However it already is there for you to go through it. I hope that my reply was clear now. Best regards, Ridler |
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