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| Posted By: Mr. B Posted On: Apr 27, 2008 Views: 1044 | a Theory of an Infinite. Don't Scientists believe that the universe is going to grow to a limit, then shrink and the big bang will make it grow etc. etc. Didn't some theorize that it has happened millions of times and will happen indefinitly? I believe that the Big Bang is infinite. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 27, 2008 Views: 1042 | RE: RE: RE: a Theory of an Infinite. It was at one time in recent history believed that the power of gravity would overcome the expansion of the universe and it would collapse in upon itself in the Big Crunch, then kick off again with another Big Bang. Recent observations however suggest that the rate of expansion is not slowing down as believed but is in fact accelerating. The reason for this is unknown so the mystery energy required to do this has been called dark energy. It would appear, if these findings are correct, that the universe will keep expanding until it dies of heat death. The universe will be black, not a single star, but it will still have mass but spread out over ever increasing vastness. The expansion of the universe could, if this theory is correct, be described as infinite, because it would continue to expand forever, maybe, who knows? The universe itself though cannot be described as infinite, because it is expanding. It can't both be expanding and infinite. A lot of this argument though boils down to definition really, such as 'for ever' 'infinite' 'time' etc. |
| Posted By: aleph-umptyplex Posted On: Jul 29, 2008 Views: 957 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. Infinite is not real, but can be described, i believe that i can prove that infinite is infact zero. Zero is nothing therefore in effect everything, because in nothing is the potential for everything, so everything will exist, and for everything to be present in nothing, infinite must be nothing. you cannot see nothing in the same way you cannot see infinite, you cannot describe either, because neither exist in a phisical state, and never will, the moment nothing becomes something, it is no longer nothing, so nothing no longer exists, and there is no phisical thing that can be described as infinite. If something reaches infinite it must stop existing, because there isnt enough of anything for there to be infinite of something, so infinite then becomes nothing as it no longer exists in a phisical plane, so whenever something becomes infinite it becomes nothing, as nothing is the only thing to contain everything in potentia. so infinite must be nothing. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jul 30, 2008 Views: 952 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. I have a problem with your description of nothing as it contains something!It contains potential. "nothing is the potential for everything" |
| Posted By: obx Posted On: Nov 22, 2008 Views: 881 | RE: RE: a Theory of an Infinite. Yes, the expansion of the universe is accelerating, so unless the force that is causing it will end, it will never collapse upon itself. I think that there are an infinite amount of universes on an infinite flat space and that the accelerating expansion is caused by the gravitation of those other universes. Off course, the distance at which those universes are interacting is ridiculously large, so we can only observe the effect of them. It is currently not (yet) proven that space is curved, which should be the case when there is only one universe (because space is curved by gravity, and energy is the only source of gravity). Same goes for dark matter, it should make up most of the universe (about 80%), yet we can not prove it's existence. Sounds a bit dumb. Then again, I don't really understand the concept of this 'dark matter'. I don't like it, sounds far fetched and ugly to me. I like the idea of other universes in an infinite flat space more; it's simple and beautiful. :-) |
| Posted By: ZX9 Posted On: Mar 29, 2009 Views: 795 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. So Keith, if the universe was constantly expanding then where did this expansion begin? It can't of always existed! Like you explain in "what is........?" the man running will eventually not be able to cut his step in half. Whatever the heck the universe is doing is another discussion, or how the man is running, but where did the man begin running? Also, nothing is the closest thing, or number, to infinity. It cannot be the farthest. That is half of what all the previous discussions are about. This is basically what aleph-umptyplex is saying, just not directly. What number would otherwise be it. Perhaps you would disagree with this, but everything seems to be based on cycles or circles. Look at all of them. Surely numbers must end up where they started. Does not most things? The cycles: seed->plant, egg->animal, the water cycle, rock cycle etc. etc. The circles: gravitional fields, planets, stars etc. etc. (this is not the basis of my proposition so if you consider this entirely outrageuos, which I'm sure you do Keith, then reread aleph-umptyplex's post and that is my proof) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 30, 2009 Views: 791 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. I have no idea what you are on about. Do you? |
| Posted By: ZX9 Posted On: Mar 30, 2009 Views: 788 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. Basically, zero is the closest thing to infinite. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 31, 2009 Views: 786 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. You are talking crap again. Zero is a number, infinity is an adjective, it describes something. There is no relationship whatsoever between numbers and infinity, unless you are talking ONLY about mathematics. You are getting on my nerves with your daft remarks, I am not wasting any more time on you. |
| Posted By: ZX9 Posted On: Mar 31, 2009 Views: 784 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. Well my "daft remarks" leave you speechless. It is at least possible, anyway. If you were a mathematician, which I'm sure you're not("Conceding defeat so soon, Keith?" makes it obvious), THEN I would trust you. In "Conceding defeat so soon, Keith?"; You were beaten. Personally (OK I truly know nothing as an 11 year old but it makes sense),it makes tons of sense. There is infinite numbers between infinity a google (the highest official #, if it has been updated since, ignore it and replace it). So you cannot tell what is closest to it. If it is infinite (all that is is your definition) thanwe cannot even grasp the distance, because it is INFINITE. So why should it not connect to zero? Why should it not be a loop? OK if someone, even you Keith, has an explanation for it proving me wrong I'm good with that. Though no one has shown anything against it yet. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 31, 2009 Views: 781 | RE: a Theory of an Infinite. One last try! You really don´t understand what you are talking about. Zero is a number, in mathematics we CAN have infinity, but number one billion, or google, or whatever, is no nearer to infinity than zero because infinity has no end. Its like putting two dots on a circle and asking which is closest to the end, the question is meaningless because the circle has no end. Furthermore, what you really need to get into your head is that infinity IS NOT A NUMBER so no number is any "closer" to it then any other,zero included! However, my question is "Does infinity exist outside of mathematics?" Therefore your zero debate has nothing whatsoever to do with infinity outside of mathematics. I do hope you have finally got the point because it is very tedious dealing with you because you keep jumping up and down saying how right you are, how wrong I am, when in truth you are talking a load of garbage. |