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Posted By: M.C.

Posted On: Jul 13, 2003
Views: 705
The Problem

The problem was slavery. All men are and were created equaly. On that premise this country was founded, and justly so. Slavery would have eventualy ended even in the South. In the long-run it is more costly to own a worker than to pay one, not to mention the immorality of slavery.

The North however highjacked this issue as a pretext to continue the financial stranglehold it had over the South. Tarrifs and port taxes were the main source of revenue for the Federal Government and Rural South paid the brunt of the Federal Revenue. Succession ment goodbye to their MEALTICKET.

Please pardon any spelling errors.


Posted By: Kyrie Eleison

Posted On: Jul 15, 2003
Views: 700
RE: The Problem

I disagree, the problem was not slavery. I'm not saying that slavery is right, but tell me where you see any proof that the problem was slavery? I find myself fighting that misconception everywhere I go.

Now, not to say you didn't know this already, but for those of you who don't here is a little background on slavery.

1) Contrary to popular belief there were black, indian, AND white slaves. As well as black, indian, and white masters.

2) Lifelong slavery (rather than a set number of years to repay debts) in Virginia was created by a BLACK man.

3) General Sherman (Union) was in court countless times on charges of abusing slaves, as were many other northerners, and this was more frequent there than in the south. We are the 'Bible Belt' after all.

4) Another popular belief is that these southern farms were big plantations with hundreds of slaves, this however, is another misconception. In fact, in many of the few cases in which the farm owned 75+ slaves were owned by BLACKS.

5) The word 'Slave' comes from 'Slav', which was used when referring to EUROPEAN SLAVES. So the word slave can't rightly be applied to the black and indians who belonged to these people. (I do not refer to them as colored people because ALL people are colored. That is unless of course white is not a color where you are from.) Also, these europeans were subjected to slavery for much longer than the african slaves in the America's.

I do not pretend to be an expert on the War (which by the was was not a Civil War, but a war of succession), I'm only fourteen. But I do know that nomatter what the actual problem was in the 1860's, even though I know what it was, my main concern is the problem we have now. Which is the unjust treatment of all things pertaining to the south/confederacy having its source in our public school systems. If it is not bad enough that great Patriots like Robert E. Lee should die not being a American citizen (his citizenship was not returned to him until after his death), but to have to live there last days in defeat, it is that now, when we have the chance to show people what great men they were, teachers and others in government positions twist every bit of history before feeding it to our younger generations.

I wish that I could do more to stand for our great Confederacy, even if it was defeated. The day our southern men and women turn there backs on the C.S.A. entirely (it has already begun) is the day that the truth, and the last remnant of the orginal intent of our founding fathers dies.

May God grant us victory in the neverending battle for the Truth.

Kyrie


Posted By: M.C.

Posted On: Jul 17, 2003
Views: 696
RE: The Problem

Dear Kyrie?

I think that you missed the point that I was trying to make. The South was not anymore guilty for the problem of slavery than the North, the British, the Spanish or the Cubans. They were just more stuck with the problem than the North. The North took the slavery issue and used it to impose its will on the South.

The Civil War was not an issue of slavery, the North could not have cared less about the Negros. Sure there were abolisionists on both sides but they were a minority. The Civil War was a continuation of the battle between those in power who wanted an all-powerfull Federal Government and those who stood for the
constitutionally protect right of states to govern themselves and seceed from the union.

I am not a scholar or even a lerned man. I do however understand what it meens to be FREE!

M.C.



Posted By: Dan

Posted On: Aug 17, 2003
Views: 678
RE: The Problem

1) Contrary to popular belief there were black, indian, AND white slaves. As well as black, indian, and white masters.

"2) Lifelong slavery (rather than a set number of years to repay debts) in Virginia was created by a BLACK man."

Who started it isn't an issue. Yes slavery was started in part by blacks in africa selling members of there tribe to the europeans but it's still wrong, its still a problam. Blacks started it so it must not be that bad is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard. That is the equivallent of saying murder is okay, I mean hey, a human started doing it.

"3) General Sherman (Union) was in court countless times on charges of abusing slaves, as were many other northerners, and this was more frequent there than in the south. We are the 'Bible Belt' after all."

Yes, the north had stricter laws against beating thier slaves. They put more money into investigating complaints as well. Having more casses of abuse recorded isn't an indication that it's going on more. It's an indication it's being delt with. If you don't report crime it doesn't mean it doesn't go on.

For example:

the drug war. Before the drug war was in effect there is little to no evidince of drugs being funneled into the country. Now there are tons upon tons confiscated every year. Do you really think 20 years ago no one was smoking pot?

"4) Another popular belief is that these southern farms were big plantations with hundreds of slaves, this however, is another misconception. In fact, in many of the few cases in which the farm owned 75+ slaves were owned by BLACKS."

I have searched to find this information and can't. Perhaps you have missunderstood or been misinformed, what happens is that certain black slaves after a time, and given a big enough plantation were given freedom in so that they could become taskmasters. Black taskmasters were often concidered better at keeping the slaves in line. They would also work for less pay and there was less social stigma if they were killed. Taskmasters often were.

The taskmasters did not own the farm or the slaves.

"5) The word 'Slave' comes from 'Slav', which was used when referring to EUROPEAN SLAVES. So the word slave can't rightly be applied to the black and indians who belonged to these people. (I do not refer to them as colored people because ALL people are colored. That is unless of course white is not a color where you are from.) Also, these europeans were subjected to slavery for much longer than the african slaves in the America's."

Again. What does this have to do with the idea that One human owning another human is wrong.

The idea that Abe Lincon didn't feel strongly that the nation needed to remain solid, a union, and that he was against slavery. Hasn't read anything about/by Abe. He was an avid letter writer.

He believed in the truth and power of what he was doing. It was obviously not egomaniacle.It came from a place of faith and love. If you believe he was missguided in action you would be remiss to believe that his heart was in the wrong place.

I am not denying war as a complex issue. but to say Slavery had nothing to do with the civil war is ludicrus.



Posted By: Dennis Johnson

Posted On: Sep 28, 2003
Views: 661
RE: The Problem

If the war was about Slavery, did it take so long for the Imanicamation Proctlamation to come around??? Also, all you african Americans out there...... what flag flew on those ships that brought your ancesters here????? Not the Confederate flag I promise you!!!!!!! The southern people never had a problem with black people until the civil rights activists started they're B.S.!!!!!! Which was pushed by Northern LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All Southners, White and Black need to rise up and the Northern Beuarcrates to go to HELL!!!!!!!


Posted By: Free Southron

Posted On: Dec 19, 2003
Views: 620
RE: The Problem

Dan:

I would like to address one of your comments in particular.

"The idea that Abe Lincon didn't feel strongly that the nation needed to remain solid, a union, and that he was against slavery. Hasn't read anything about/by Abe. He was an avid letter writer.
He believed in the truth and power of what he was doing. It was obviously not egomaniacle.It came from a place of faith and love. If you believe he was missguided in action you would be remiss to believe that his heart was in the wrong place."

Mr. Lincoln did not do what he did out of love for Blacks or slaves. Consider these quotes:

"I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation...Let us be brought to believe it is morally right, and, at the same time, favorable to, or, at least, not against, our interest, to transfer the African to his native clime, and we shall find a way to do it, however great the task may be. " A. Lincoln, June 1857

"My paramount objective in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either save or destroy slavery." Lincoln, Aug 1862

Mr. Lincoln was a racist and a racialist. That is, he believed in policy being dictated with race as the primary motivating factor. His plans to deport ALL blacks to Africa, Central America, and the desert demonstrate he was not the great benefactor the empire would have you believe. By perpetuating this myth of Lincoln, the northern empire tries to keep African-Americans feeling indebted to them. Without a doubt, if Lincoln were alive today, he would probably be the grand wizard of the kkk. Or perhaps he would be a leader in the skinhead movement.