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| Posted By: Mogos Tafarra Posted On: Dec 6, 2003 Views: 620 | Ethiopia or Utopia My brothers and sisters , who doese not like to have a beutiful country based on stong root of democracy and dignity for all humanbeing and even all Gods creation? So please do we have one ? If so what is the solution to reach the goal ? Or do you like to be remembered forever by agony of dying innocent people just because they do not have something to eat ,which was not their fault and will not be their fault ? For my part today ,I would like to say please forget about unmarked Ethiopian civilization and think OF building the beutiful country which to be called Utopia Which all of us will be part of it. Even the OLF would be the first organization to join you . i do thank you for bringing your solution here and do not waste the time on curse to OLF. They do have their solutio , let us respect that and even try to extend our hands to work with them ,thinking with out emotion ,that we liked or not, there is no Utopia with out Oromo people in it . Peace to you all. |
| Posted By: Tazabi Neberku Posted On: Dec 7, 2003 Views: 618 | OLF, colonialism and self-determination Continued... 2. OLF, colonialism and self-determination For the first time in its history of existence, OLF accepted that self-determination is a controversial issue. The fact that it accepted self-determination as controversial is a step forward. Earlier on it was telling us that self-determination is a universally accepted principle. We knew that OLF was deliberately lying. After accepting the controversial nature of self-determination and its limited application to colonial situation, it tried to make a case of colonialism in Ethiopia. This is OLF's second lie. The historical, political and economic conditions that were essential for the existence of colonialism never emerged in Ethiopia as OLF alleges. Even assuming that colonialism existed in the late 20th century Ethiopia, is OLF demanding self-determination for what happened hundred years ago? Or is OLF alleging that colonialism exists in Ethiopia today for self-determination to apply? If so, who is the coloniser and colonised in present day Ethiopia? We say there was no colonialism in Ethiopia hundred years ago or today. If OLF has a reply to this, tell him to write more. But we don't think it has anything to say. (Long clapping) When confronted with the limited applicability of self-determination to colonial condition, it calls the aid of some scolars that support the application of self-determination when a "distinct group of people (ethnic, nation) want to determine their political fate". WOW! (Long laughter) What a theoretical blunder? What is your supporting evidence for this? At least give us a name of a scholar who said it. If this is the way OLF understands the possible application of self-determination in situations other than colonialism, it is an absolute disaster. We are surprised as to how people can be easily dragged to war by false claims and lies. If the Oromo people are dragged to war by listening what OLF says above, it is not only a blunder but the greatest crime of humanity. (Clapping) Unlike what OLF says, the relevant source of self-determination the United Nations Charter and other UN related instruments. It refered to this right in four articles of the Charter in relation to colonies and dependent territories. None of the articles referred to ethnic groups or nations. They referred only to people which they had not defined. None of the articles established rights or binding obligations. The UN identified seventy two dependent or non-self governing territories all of which had their independence. The 1960 UN resolution entitled the Declaration of Independence to Colonial communities and Peoples and Friendly Relations Declaration of 1970 also refer to self-determination again limited to a colonial context. Other two UN related human rights covenants also refer to the right to self-determination, but none gave rise to the interpretation of applying the principle under all situations. Furthermore, one can refer to UN resolution 1541 (XV) as allowing the right self-determination to apply to "every territory." This last understanding namely the application of the right to self-determination to 'every territory" is rejected in favour of territrorial integrity of states by subsequent UN clarifications on the issue. The facts being these, OLF's attept to look for support scholars to save its cry for self-determination is understandable. Self-determination is the only means it found to create a poltical space for itself. (Clapping) In passing, it is worth mentioning the place of scholars to establish certain facts in national and international relations. The global system functions on the basis of conventions, custom and general principles recognised by states. Writings of scholars play only subsidiary role. Scholars teach, do research and consultancy, etc. but their role to decide who is right and wrong in international politics is limited. No convention, custom or general principles leading national and international relations support the right to self-determination in the world in the history of mankind. If OLF refers to some Eritrean, European, North american and Oromo scholars that argue self-determination should apply to Oromos, would Ethiopians and the international community accept them? We don't think so simply because it is contrary to the international practice sanctioning stability and continuity of states. (Clapping) OLF alleges "[I]n our conditions, the Oromos and other southern peoples prefer the first interpretation, and the Abysinians (Amhara-Tigrai) who greatly benefit from the union, prefer the second interpretation." WOW! (Loud laughter) Where and when did Oromos spoke that they prefer self-determination? Who are the southern peoples? If OLF thinks it is the Oromo people by itself, it is under great illusion. You are entirely different entities operating differently. Similar questions can be raised with respect to Amharas and Tigreans. Where and when did they say they want unity and what's wrong with that? These people essentially contributed to the creation of present day Ethiopia and there is nothing wrong to work to keep the country together. Are these people that OLF calls present day colonialists? If so, who held OLF not to take its case to the UN and get independence? The truth is no Ethiopian will succumb to OLF's blackmail and let people and territory fall in the hands of few power hungry elites. It is every Ethiopian's duty to stand against separatism and discharge his/her national and international obligation. (Standing ovation) |
| Posted By: lll Posted On: Dec 8, 2003 Views: 609 | Ethiopia always raining morons, Whew! You idiotic bunch of hodam akaki zarafoch! That unfortunate den of misery you pretend to be proud of has been wallowing in destitution and nothing will change for the better for those who cherish equality and opportunity and peace simply b/c this imiye is continuing to rain morons, thugs, evil doers like you. Your imiye version is no longer in my books. You are wishing that country death after death because of your bloody-mindedness and lack of sincere and honest consideration of the right way forward. Rather you continue to raise your ugly and empty head beating the drum of akaki zaraf unless ethiopia reverts back to your old timklihit system. |
| Posted By: Alem Posted On: Dec 9, 2003 Views: 602 | RE: Ethiopia or Utopia Where really is OLF? When do we really see it as a real liberating front than a pitifully arm Al-qaida? I know they exist in somalia, and Eritrean web sites, but not where they should really be at, Ethiopia. A barking dog seldom bites, even if it does it gets shot on the head and be silent for ever. Eritrean love to talk about OLF all the time to kill their recent pain of devastation. I would rather take a shower than having a thought about this filthy, fairy tale group of vagabonds. |
| Posted By: Wondwosen Posted On: Dec 9, 2003 Views: 596 | RE: Ethiopia or Utopia Do not freak with the idea of Eritrean cyber hardy. Just see how he spelled Moges as 'Mogos' . I would not flip for an ill person. It is a well known thing that the eritrean government has a huge annual budget for bogus propaganda or 'Mamtatat' while 99% of them do not have a toilet, zigni or clothing. The best for us is, we know how to deflate them on the real field, they even do not know how to sh*t right let alone shoot. Action is louder, and this is what both Eritreans and their 'phylosophers of OLF' are void of. |