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Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 5, 2008 Views: 2108	Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? I'm not a great fan of the Provenzal sage: he's way too obscure and I could find no way to give any system to his centuries so they can be matched with reality and, if accurate, help predict future events. But I have researched the topic a bit and I found two quartets that are clearly dated and would seem to correspond to events that have already happened. The one that caught most my attenton is: X - 72 The year 1999, seventh month, From the sky will come a great King of Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols [Anglomois], Before and after March [Mars] to reign by good luck. July 1999 is a very clear date: it can be contrasted with actual facts. Painfully enough it fits at least 75% with one well known recent historical fact: In August 8 1999 (late July 1999 by the Julian Calendar in effect in Nostradamus' time), Vladimir Putin (incidentally Libra, 7th zodiacal month, by Astrological Sun sign - but this is less important) suddenly became Prime Minister of Russia (the domains of the Mongol Golden Horde in Nostradamus' time) and was elected President (King) in March 2001. The only part that is not certain is the second verse. I have speculated that the King of Terror could be his ally, the mafious businessman Abramovich (president of the Chelsea FC and the autonomous republic of Chutkia, near Alaska) and accused of violent methods of getting rid of the competence, wether financial or political (hence king of Terror). But I'm not sure about this part. The other dated verse deals with 18th century Safavid Persia, being largely coincident with the Afghan revolt, the Turco-Russian invasion and a huge earthquake - but the correspondence with exact facts is not so clear anyhow. I'll search it and post it later anyhow.
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 5, 2008 Views: 2107	RE: RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? This is the Persian one. It's dated October 1727 (Julian calendar): 77 The third climate included under Aries The year 1727 in October, The King of Persia captured by those of Egypt: Conflict, death, loss: to the cross great shame The connection with real events is certainly more obscure. The historical events are (from Wikipedia): Exact: Nov. 1727: earthquake near Tabriz, Persia. Some 77,000 dead. Around that date: - 1722: Afghan rebels invade Esphahan capturing and executing Shah Sultan Hossein - 1723: Ottomans (then controlling Egypt) and Russians invade weakened Persia, annexing several provinces. - 1726: While fighting against the invaders, Temeshp II, son of Hossein, saw his throne usurped by Ahmad Marashi. - Nov. 1727: massive earthquake near Tabriz. - 1728: Temeshp II concluded peace with the invaders, captured Ahmad and executed him in August. So certainly this quartet does not describe any event with great precission (even if we take either Afghans or Ottomans as the "Egyptians"). Only if we take that the second verse refers to the fourth and not specifically the thrid one, then we can make a reasonable connection: The year 1727 in October, [being] the King of Persia captured [diverted?] by those of Egypt (Ottomans): Conflict, death, loss [earthquake]: to the cross great shame [for Russia making an agreement with Muslims?]. I would need to research the exact events of this conflict with greated detail (Wikipedia only gives that much info, specially on "exotic" subjects as this one) but it's at least suggestive of N. being into something. I'm not sure if my lack of precission is because N. was wrong on something or because I just don't have enough data to evaluate the real events of 1727.
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 5, 2008 Views: 2106	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Btw, it's century 3 - quartet 77 (typo)
Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 10, 2008 Views: 2092	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? I think your comments have proved my point very precisely. You have read into that mumbo jumbo stuff that just isn't there. "From the sky will come a great King of Terror:" You claim that is Putin. Come on, get real.
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 10, 2008 Views: 2088	RE: RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Have you even read what I said? You are so eager to negate it that you didn't even pay attention to it. Just took a piece of it and decided it was useful to make a pseudo-skeptic comment. Problem is that I didn't say that. I said that Putin is (apparently) the "King of the Mongols", clearly distinct from the "King of Terror" (who I have not identified clearly). I said very clearly that that verse that you mention is pecisely the only one I cannot correlate with any well known event. I can correlate the other three: 1. The year 1999, seventh month, Self-evident: July 1999 (Julian calendar) 2. From the sky will come a great King of Terror: No clear correlation. It may refer to an obscure event: someone landing in a helicopter or plane in Moscow? 3. To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols, That someone makes Putin the new "Khan", lord of Russia. 4. Before and after March to reign by good luck. Putin rules without problems before and after March 2000 elections. So, I'm saying that, apparently, verses 1, 3 and 4 are quite clearly correlated with well known recent historical events. I am also saying that I don't know for sure how to read verse 2. So don't make your argument based on a misinterpreation of verse 2, please Keith.
Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 10, 2008 Views: 2082	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Get a life.
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 11, 2008 Views: 2077	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? LOL - LOL - LOL So you create a site (quite intersting by the way) where you try to explain some scientifical issues and, as passing by, debunk some non-scientifical stuff, like Astrology or Nostradamus... You even create some forums on them... So I get you some good stuff to think about and all you can say is "get a life". You'd be more honest if you'd have written "touché", really. ;)
Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 11, 2008 Views: 2074	RE: RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Let me explain. You think you 'gave me some stuff to think about' when all you have done is to exactly confirm what I have already said in my article - that these 'predictions' are so vague you can twist them to fit just about anything, especially if you accept some parts and choose to ignore others. You think it relates to Putin being elected as Russian Prime Minister. That is a right laugh! Reading through that 'prediction' it does not mention any election or Putin's name, but it does refer to "From the sky will come a great King of Terror: To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols" Great King of Terror? You are not sure about that I see. Bring back life to the great King of the Mongols - Putin? Bring back life? - Where does that fit, Putin was elected is all. From the sky! (Oh yeah, he uses planes to travel about, (speechless). Where is the connection, seriously? What has Putin done that is so remarkable that it was predicted? All he has done is make a pile of money for himself and his fat cat associates while Russia goes down the tubes. Be honest, there is no connection to Putin at all, its just the way you have chosen to interpret it. As I said, it is a perfect example of why some people believe the ramblings of a mad man are predictions. Thanks for proving my point so well.
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Apr 12, 2008 Views: 2071	RE: RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? This is the original French version: X. 72. L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy d'effrayeur Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois, Auant apres Mars regner par bon heur. (from http://nostradamiana.astrologer.ru/ind_ns_eng.html) My French is not very good, and N's French is full of archaisms and Provenzal influences but the translation is more or less as posted above. If you are good at French, possibly you can get into the subtleties on wether "effrayeur" means terror or something else or "pan bon heur" means "by luck" or just "in good time" or whatever. But basically word by word: The year one thousand nine hundred ninenty nine seventh month From the sky will come a great King of terror Resurrect the great king of the Angolmois [always transcribed as Mongolais=Mongols], Before [and] after March [or Mars] to reign "by good hour" [luck, fortune - or timely?] The key is in the details: 1. "Mars" does not translate (IMO) as Mars but as March. That has been overseen by nearly everybody. 2. "Resusciter" is normally understood as "� resusciter" (to resucite) but that's not the literal reading. It can well be that the King of the Mongols will resurrect on his own and the King of Terror can be anything parallel, maybe a comet or my more prosaic interpretation before about Abramovich, who did play a major role in Putin's ascension (and surely in many "unexplained" murders in Russia, Ukraine and Britain) - but could be someone else who I'm missing. Anyhow, remember the nickname of Vladimir Putin inside the KGB: "Stasi". That says it all. His very private and history life is almost a secret but he was certainly an important element in the KGB of Germany, probably overseeing the actuation of the dreaded Stasi himself. The use of the term terror in this context, whatever the exact meaning is not out of place. Putin is not any saint, no matter he might be a good statesman (just as good ol' Chingis Khan, btw). The last sentence "par bon hour" can well mean like Spanish "en buena hora", that means that his influence is positive, not that he is just lucky. Or that his arrival is "in due time", "when necessary". That's open to interpretation, I think, but I'd like a French native opinion anyhow. --- In brief. Nostradamus is obscure but this quartet is really not so much. Check my other post for three surprisingly clear (but undated) quartets. You can't have all, can you? But such coincidences are a bit too much. There are coincidences and there are quite incredible coincidences.
Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Apr 12, 2008 Views: 2069	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Whatever. If that's what you choose to believe that's your choice. Seriously though, its pure nonsense.
Posted By: Stranded Hatter Posted On: Jul 31, 2008 Views: 1957	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Maju your claim about Putin is an interesting one, but with one rather glaring flaw. The nation that Putin became President (King) of is historically linked to the Novgorod Republic not the Mongols. The Mongols were merely an invading force who stayed for a few centuries and left. How could Putin be the Mongol Kahn?
Posted By: Maju Posted On: Jul 31, 2008 Views: 1955	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Well, it's how I interpretate it. Mongols are not important anymore but their historical realm in the 16th century from the viewpoint of Nostradamus was surely Russia. Novgorod was maybe independent but all other Russian lands were controlled either direct or undirectly by the Golden Horde. Moscow itself was a vassal of the Horde, as were Riazan, Tver... and the lands south and east of them were direct Mongol domains. The concept of Russia was surely not in the mind of Nostradamus, the concept of the Mongol Khanate was instead.
Posted By: Juju Posted On: Nov 21, 2010 Views: 1412	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Keith, your site sucks...........you need to get a life
Posted By: Genghis Khan Posted On: Jan 5, 2011 Views: 1384	RE: Accurate dated Nostradamian predictions? Mr Maju is so funny...still cannot see the fallacy even when Keith shoved it down his throat....LOL....

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