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| Posted By: Drew Posted On: Jun 3, 2008 Views: 2734 | There is a God - Evolution holds no water When you say read into biology and science to find out why we are here....I don't understand how "scientists" can think that evolution/big bang can possibly be categorized underneath science. Evolution is a RELIGION. There is no scientific evidence at all for evolution. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Cero. whatever language you prefer. Neither is or has there ever been one shred of evidence for the big bang theory. The bible is infinitely more credible than any science book attempting to prove the theories of evolution and the big bang. I say this because the bible was written thousands of years ago over a span of about four thousand years by about 40 different authors yet none of it contradicts itself!! There are hundreds of historical facts contained in the bible that can and have been proven today by secular archaelogists!! When the big bang theory or the theory of evolution has those credentials then come to me. Also any 2nd grader can tell you that intelligent design holds more water than evolution/big bang. All you have to do is look around you at the amazing world we live in and how complex the makings of people and animals bodies are and you will realize that we are not here by chance. If you believe the big bang to be true how was all the matter in the universe contained in one spec? and then when it exploded how did all the planets along with the sun happen to stop at perfect locations and begin their processes? How did these celestial bodies stop? did some invisible wall of force stop them? or did they just lose velocity and happened to be in these perfect locations? Also, if the universe is 4.6 billion years old, why is there only a few inches of moon dust on the moon? would the dust not be at least a few thousand feet thick or more? In addition how do you explain the natural phenomenons of the world such as the grand canyon? it had to have been the great flood as described in the bible. Evolutionists theorize that the Colorado river carved the grand canyon over billions of years, yet if this were true, why are there not grand canyons surrounding every major river in the world? also, evolutionists say that the actual evolution of every living thing in the world began with a primitive cell. One problem here, cells reproduce asexually, therefore, they create only one sex when they reproduce, but yet as we examine the world around us, low and behold, there are two sexes!! how did there magically become two different sexes that can reproduce with each other? did two different cells of opposite sexes evolutionize at the exact same time and therefore were there with each other as they formed into sexually reproducing beings? This is the only explanation i can think of to bypass this one of the many flaws of evolution and the big bang. No my friend, I am sorry, but there is only one viable explanation for all the natural phenomena around us, God. So I end this long post by saying, take your stupid book off the publication list and grow some brains, Sir. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 3, 2008 Views: 2730 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Your comments show such truly astounding ignorance it is almost impossible to know where to begin. However I have selected just one, as it is typical of your ignorance: "If you believe the big bang to be true how was all the matter in the universe contained in one spec? and then when it exploded how did all the planets along with the sun happen to stop at perfect locations and begin their processes? How did these celestial bodies stop? did some invisible wall of force stop them? or did they just lose velocity and happened to be in these perfect locations?" I will not even bother to explain, my words would be wasted on you, your little mind has snapped tightly shut and dismisses out of hand everything that you disagree with. People like you belong in the Dark Ages, where ignorance was king. You are a disgrace to science and knowledge. Do you hunt witches in your spare time when you are not reading the bible? Go away, you are a waste of time. |
| Posted By: Drew Posted On: Jun 3, 2008 Views: 2726 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water alright, if you cannot answer those questions, at least answer these two questions for me. where did the first cell come from that began it all? It had to have come from somewhere didnt it? or did it just materialize out of nowhere? And one other question...if evolution is true, why is there not any evolution of any species happening today? why are there not apes turning into humans? and why has there never been any scientific evidence of this happening? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 3, 2008 Views: 2724 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water I could, if I so desired, answer all your questions. However, it would take me a very long while to do and would be a waste of time anyway. You would either fail to understand or choose to disregard it. The very questions you put demonstrate a remarkable lack of knowledge. One point I will mention from your last post, humans did not evolve from apes, they share a common ancestor which is an entirely different matter. Look it up, no need for me to explain what is already easily available on the net. It has been my experience that people that say the Big Bang did not happen, that evolution is not true, that God created everything as we see it, are so far removed from reality that they can't see the truth if it is put under their nose and proven. I will not waste my time on you, I have far better things to do. You just carry on believing that nonsense if it makes you happy. |
| Posted By: Drew Posted On: Jun 4, 2008 Views: 2721 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Keith, I had no intentions of infuriating you by my post. I just would like to understand the concept of evolution and the big bang theory a bit better because I have not researched them myself in much depth. You say that I would not understand the truth if it was put under my nose, and I could say the same thing to you. There is no more evidence for your beliefs than there are mine. All of us are entitled to our own opinions and I would never become an atheist unless there was indisputable proof that your theories could be true. Which I know will never happen. I am sorry that you think I am a waste of time, but I know you don't really think that or you would not have replyed to my post at all. Thank you for your time and enjoy the rest of your life. I pity you that you have nothing to look forward to after death. I like to think of it this way, if I am wrong and you are right, I die, and I lived a happy life anyway then i just cease to exist. Same goes for you. BUT, if we look at the possiblity that I am right, and all the other millions of people that believe the same things as me, we all go to heaven and live in paradise for all of eternity, while you and your small band of atheists....well you know what happens. Thank you for your time Keith, I really do enjoy debating, I am one of the top debate students in the country. So, feel free to write me back. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 5, 2008 Views: 2718 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water So you consider yourself a top debater? What a joke! This is your final line in your opening post: "So I end this long post by saying, take your stupid book off the publication list and grow some brains, Sir." And as you have just said in your last post: "I just would like to understand the concept of evolution and the big bang theory a bit better because I have not researched them myself in much depth." So you are quite happy to call my book stupid and tell me to get some brains, even though you have very little knowledge, none at all as far as I can see, of the subjects under discussion. This is why I said you are a waste of time. How can you expect to debate anything with an attitude like yours coupled with almost total ignorance of the subject? If you want to learn about these things then do as I did, do some research. I am not in the habit of spoon feeding information to ignorant and rude people like you. |
| Posted By: Drew Posted On: Jun 5, 2008 Views: 2715 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Ok, I agree that my final comment on my first post was a bit rude. I was just caught up in the moment. And it is not I that consider myself a top debater, but rather the officials that rank debate students across the nation. I apologize I do not know how the official process works. I do not wish to be spoon fed information, I just wanted to see if you could answer any of my questions, which you could not. Well alright sir, have a good day. |
| Posted By: Luke Posted On: Jun 11, 2009 Views: 2327 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water I would just like to address some points. " Evolution is a RELIGION. There is no scientific evidence at all for evolution." This is untrue. Look at archaeopteryx. The archaeopteryx is the earliest known bird. Current evolution theory suggests that birds evolved from reptiles. Archaeopteryx has claws at the ends of its wing, it has a bony tail, and it has teeth. These are all reptilian traits. Further evidence: bacteria and viruses evolve immunities, dog breeds are an unnatural control of genetic diversity to evolve. All land vertebrae follow the same general body structure as vertebrae fish: gills, paired appendages, spines, etc. "The bible is infinitely more credible than any science book attempting to prove the theories of evolution and the big bang. I say this because the bible was written thousands of years ago over a span of about four thousand years by about 40 different authors yet none of it contradicts itself!!" Hmmm... someone hasn't been reading their Bible lately. Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex 34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2) Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...jealousy..." Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1) EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them. Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16) James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21) Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12) Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5) Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17) Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35) Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13) Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25) John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36) Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36) John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true. John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire. Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind. Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3) Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6) my personal favorite..."Then he (Jesus) strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ." Matthew 16:20 Are these enough for you? |
| Posted By: Living One Vibrational Energy Posted On: Feb 17, 2010 Views: 1806 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Drew, I want to give this to you! Well, if you believe this guy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ugzBKPClsU&feature=PlayList&p=DC5CF8131B 4507DB&index=0&playnext=1 |
| Posted By: Blake Posted On: Mar 15, 2010 Views: 1770 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water There Is No God. Because There Is No Proof. |
| Posted By: ARH Posted On: Apr 25, 2011 Views: 1534 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water I see this alot in all sorts of people, religious and scientific. they become so attached to an idea that they have beleived all their lives that they cannot bear to part with it, and will take true facts and contort them to fit thier idea, assigning facts to suit theories and not theories to suit facts. the facts are absolute, and you must look at them without bias. as a semi-religious scientist, this means for me forgetting i beleive in a god, and forgetting any competing thoeries when pondering any scientific problem. there is enourmous evidence of evolution, and the fact that you said there wasnt so arrogantly in the first line of your post allienated me straight away. If you acutally want to become a deep thinking, and to be enlightened, look at everything you experience from a critical, nonbiased, and open minded but skeptical manner. |
| Posted By: Tom Posted On: Feb 7, 2012 Views: 1407 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Keith, I hope you're still around. I'd like to buy your book if you ever put it on Kindle. I have a very simple theory about the origin of the universe, the existence of a creator, why we are here, was there a big bang, etc. All of those questions are too complex for us to understand - there is simply too much about science, religion, philosophy, etc. that we have no conception about for us to know - Newton, Einstein, Hawking, Dawkins, they don't know because they don't have see close to the full picture. Likewise, the pope, Billy Graham, C.S. Lewis were or are equally clueless. That is simply the way the universe is. I have no problem with people speculating about it, but I am sickened by people who claim to know the unknowable like Dawkins and the pope. We are like ants speculating about what the sun is. If I had to hazard a guess based on all that I have read and thought about over the years, my own guess , and I emphasize guess, is that somewhere there is a creator, but it is not involved in the affairs of mankind, and set the system up so that it would be unknowable. Best wishes, Tom Slagle |
| Posted By: John S Posted On: Jul 27, 2012 Views: 1337 | RE: There is a God - Evolution holds no water Wow, nothing like a good creationist debate to keep the afternoon alive. Sadly this is indeed nothing like a good creationist debate - normally a better fight is put up before it all goes down in flames. Anyway, the nihilist view that 'it's all too complicated, we can't hope to understand' has been a staple of those too lazy to think ever since we began to examine our world - whether Newton, Einstein, Feynman, Hawkings, or any of the other hundreds or thousands of geniuses who have helped push forward our world, and understanding of it. If they had succumbed to the view that 'it's too difficult' then we would still be living a short brutish life. Grow up and accept that actually they (the genii) can understand something of the beauty and majesty of the universe, and that you can't is your failing, not that of the subject matter. I know I am not as intelligent as those giants, but I can follow their arguments, and even some of the maths through hard work, and because I am fascinated. Once you make that effort then 'god' becomes a bit of a tawdry side show - does it exist? Probably not, but who cares. If it does, and if it truly was creator of all then it created such a fantastically complicated universe that it is truly inconceivable that it cares about us chanting in a big stone house or not, or whether we read a piece of rather inconsistent literature, which whilst it brilliantly captures the human condition doesn't really seem to say anything about the wider universe, or its creation. |