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| Posted By: Rohan Eirwin Posted On: Oct 6, 2004 Views: 1614 | It exists but the proof is covered up. Hi all I would just like to add my observation to this discussion. I'm now 43 years old and years ago there was a tv program on in the UK called David Nixons Magic Box. On one program in the mid to late 70's he had fake psychic Uri Geller on bending his spoons but it was a few shows after that about which I must speak. I remember the period well as we were all at school trying to bend the dinner spoons(with no sucess I might add!). Anyway, a few weeks later David Nixon had a young lad of about 13 years old on his show who could apparently both lift and bend metallic and other objects, without being in actual physical contact with the objects at all. The interesting thing was that the boy showed no signs of being a showman in training or anything of the sort, he just did what he could do. The boy was brought back to the show one year later at the age of 14 to take part in a controlled experiment in which cameras were place showing a bar of titanium, being held in place at some distance from the boy(between 10 to 18 feet). The boy concentrated and we watched in wonder the small bar of titanium bent and then eventually snapped. It was one of the last shows that David Nixon had on the tv and the strange thing about it is this. In all the years I have searched for either an archived copy of the two shows, or even a text account of the shows I have come up with a big fat Zero!. I have managed to get an archive copy of Uri Gellers appearance on the show but its like the other two subsequent shows never happened, which they did as I have confirmed with a couple of old school mates of mine as well as my younger brother. My feeling is that after the demonstration that young boy gave, the military then took over and did their best to remove the memory of him from the public awareness, including suppressing/removing all accounts of the two, not one but two shows in which he took part. Think of it this way, say that a person is found that without a shadow of a doubt definitely has telekinetic abilities, do you thing the powers that be would allow this person to just go about their daily life without keeping him/her under constant observation? In the case of a developing adolescent there would be worrying questions. How much more would the subject develop, how much more power is there to come. Is his/her ability a one off or is there a possibility that he/she could pass it on if they had a child. And last but certainly not least, can the gene that produces the ability be isolated and reproduced? Think of the military/security applications of such an ability if(in the governments eyes at least)it was properly applied and controlled by the right people. The debunking of the belief that there are people that possess telekinesis would be part of the process that would be employed by those who have the most to gain by keeping it quiet. Sound like some people you know? |
| Posted By: sumone4life Posted On: Oct 6, 2004 Views: 1613 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. the world is not ready to be told about TK people. They will not understand. Just like way back when there in salim and the famous witch trials. They burned the "witches" because they possesed powers. The were also refered to as being in league with the devil. I feel that people who posses TK powers feel that they are not ready to show these to the world cuz the world isnt read to be told about them. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 8, 2004 Views: 1596 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. I've heard some daft ideas in my time but you guys are way up there! 1) "There is a conspiracy..." Here we go again, nutters of the world unite. The fruitcakes of the world can't come up with a sensible solution that fits there loopy hypothesis so resort to that good old standby "its all covered up by the government......" My oh my. Yawn yawn. Seen one conspiracy theory seen 'em all. 2) "The military have the TK people and are using them in secret government research........" Amazing. Iraqi terrorists haven't got a bleeding chance then have they? Some secret government TK agent is going to keep bending all their best silver spoons until they surrender. 3) "The world isn't ready for TK people..." Damn right! If I ever catch anyone bending spoons or spinning little bits of paper I will sprinkle holy water over them to cast out the devil within. If I don't happen to have any holy water with me at the time I am fully prepared to sprinkle them with something else. That should do it. Hey, sumone4life, Have you got your demo video ready yet? Cant wait to see it. Or are you having problems focussing or whatever? Try meditating for 30 mins first, I read that helps, and positive thinking helps as well apparently. Go for it, you know you can do it! |
| Posted By: sumone4life Posted On: Oct 9, 2004 Views: 1586 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. wtf is ur probelm dude. I HATE people like you. Your all one sided. and WTF is up with casting out the devil, you saying people who are better than u in ever way possible are devils. WTF is up with that. There is more to TK than u think. U think its all about bending spoons and wat not well i got somthing to tell you ITS NOT!!!! it about getting to know urself alittle better...spending some time to focus on somthing. There is so much more u can do with ur mind than u can ever think of...heres the thing, TK is all about manipulating magnetic fields. Everything has one and if u manipulate it the object will move in a certain way. You use energy to do this. Also TK isnt the only thing you can do with ur mind. There is somthing called psiconics. This is slightly different TK in that it deals more with genetics. There have been cancer patients that have gotton better because they where able to heal themselves. Again u are a very one sided person and do not look completely into wat u are discussing. If u accually took the time to do more research u would have found so much evidence to support TK and psiconics. GOOGLE IS UR FRIEND!!!! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 9, 2004 Views: 1582 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. It is remarkable the number of people that call me 'close minded' just because I do not agree with them. Some, like you, go even further and accuse me of not doing any/enough research. What a joke! I have done a great deal of research over many years. Research, allow me to explain, is all about having an open mind. Research, to have any meaning, requires that the areas that are researched are not restricted by any preconceived ideas or personal bias. This means looking at the subject from all perspectives, regardless of your own thoughts on the matter. When all the data has been collected then the findings should be self evident, regardless of your own thoughts on the subject. A fact is fact, a truth is a truth. Take my research into TK for example. When I started my research as a regular teenage kid I started out with the firm belief that TK was real, I was convinced of it having heard so much about it. (Did this thought never occur to you? NO, your mind is closed!!!) Most of my friends also believed in it. Back in those days however there was no Google, no internet no personal computers. I had to rely on the library and the media, and of course, hearsay. I was unable to find any definite evidence either for or against TK. I found this quite disappointing to be honest, I WANTED it to be real! I tried it myself, many times over many months, and repeated this many times, just like they recommend you do now. As I was heavily into yoga and meditation at the time the 'focussing' part was relatively easy for me. Nothing happened though and I began to think TK was not real. None of my friends achieved it either, at least not under any sort of test condition! Years later, armed with a computer, I did research on TK again - not to mention ongoing research during the interim years - and since putting up this web page I have carried out so much research on the subject you wouldn't believe it. My findings however are the same, I can find no evidence for TK whatsoever. So please do not accuse me of having a closed mind or of carrying out no research simply because I do not agree with you and do not believe your wild and unsupported claims. |
| Posted By: sumone4life Posted On: Oct 10, 2004 Views: 1577 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. OK so saying no research was alittle harsh...im sure uve done alot. But U still seem to have a biases opinion that it isnt real. IF u believe it isnt real the chances of u suceeding in finding evidence u support and accually doing TK are way outta reach. I think the only person who can convice u is urself. Yes urself, not ur friend, not me, not the entire world but urself. Because in the end u make to decision to believe or not. I personally think if u wanna find out if its real or not (wich it is) you follow some of the tutorials on the site i gave you and clear ur opinion. Start from scratch. Start from where u left of as a kid b4 u started thinking it wasnt real. IF u believe it is then it is, if you dont...well its still real but u'll never see any results. UR opinion of it not being real is blocking you from the truth. When you look at a video all u see is somthing moving and all the other possiblilites there are for why it is moving. U dont see the possiblility of TK because u choose not to believe. Im sure u want TK to be real but there is somthing still blocking it from being real to you. Believing is ur own personal opinion. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 10, 2004 Views: 1575 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. You just can't see it can you? You still think that because I don't believe in TK is because I haven't tried hard enough to believe in it. How hard and how for long do I need to try in your esteemed opinion? Why do you find it so hard to accept that no matter how hard I try, how much research I do over so many years, how open minded I am, how willing I am to accept evidence - even if it goes against my own personal believes - I am still unable to find any reason at all to believe in TK? If, as you say, I have to actually believe in it first, BEFORE I can do it, that kind of makes it a bit difficult don't you think? How can I believe in something I have never seen performed?????? Why don't you just show me the evidence then? What proof is there? All the videos shown on that stupid site you recommend are laughable. You call that proof? Good God! Get a grip on reality! That site is nothing more than a few sad school kids trying to convince each other with pathatically stupid faked videos. I could easily fake up all those videos in a few minutes, and even make a better job of it. Look at them with an open mind for heaven's sake! You honestly think they really show TK? With your total lack of judgement, with your desire to see TK so strong, you are ignoring the obvious fact that all those videoes are school grade fakes. If you are prepared to accept those stupid videos as proof, then that is very unfortunate for you. You are going to have a hell of a lot of trouble throughout your sad little life sorting out fact from fantasy. It means for example I can give you proof that pigs can fly, that there is a McDonalds on the moon and that I can walk on water. Want to see the proof? I'll send you the vids. Bye the way, I have a sure fire bet on the stock market. Just mail me $1,000 and I will send you $10,000 after 7days. Honest. |
| Posted By: sumone4life Posted On: Oct 11, 2004 Views: 1564 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. im accepting those videos as a jump start and accepting that i can do it as proof. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 11, 2004 Views: 1559 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. Yeah yeah, course you can. |
| Posted By: sincere Posted On: Oct 21, 2004 Views: 1532 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. Congratulations on having the courage to speak out. Assuming that there is such a thing as telekinesis, one would expect, for obvious reasons, that all relevant authorities, becoming aware of the boy's talent, would protect his identity vigorously. The government seems to have discovered him from TV appearances. For the sake of his welfare, his disappearance into obscurity is not to be wondered at, since failure to take action could open the authorities to serious charges of extreme neglect of their duties. As a writer, I need to know what sort of nefarious uses would an unscrupulous government employ to exploit a person with telekinetic abilities? Can you assist? |
| Posted By: Rohan Omard Posted On: Oct 22, 2004 Views: 1528 | RE: RE: RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. First things first. To Keith Mayes, whilst I understand and respect your view of the phenomenon called telekinesis I am a little disappointed that you could shed no light on the appearances of that young boy I saw on the David Nixon show all those years ago. Surely you can find some record of those 2 shows in which the boy appeared before falling off the face of the earth. I found it remarkable that, having so clearly demonstrated his ability to affect matter without physically touching it there was no future shows debunking his claims or any further reports of how he was doing it. Please look into it for the sake of being fair if nothing else. To Sincere, it would seem to me that IF that boy was in fact a bona fide person with telekinetic talent then there would be 3 goverment agencies that would be fighting to maintain control of him and his talent. The medical establishment, the military and the security forces, each for different reasons of course. 1. The Medical Establishment. Purely to determine what made him able to do something that none of the rest of us can, including research into his genetic make-up, environment, whether or not any of his siblings or forbears had shown any such indicaton of his abilities. This would be purely for academic study mind you, though the next step I suppose would be whether or not, if it was found to be somehting within his DNA, it was something that could be reproduced so that others without the ability could also gain it. That of course would bring us quite nicely to interested party number 2. The Military. They of course would have a different agenda entirely though the medical reproduction of the talent/ability would form part of it. They on the other hand would be looking to see how the ability could be utilized as a weapon, how powerful the subject with the ability could become and of course how to combat someone/a group of people with such an ability. I will leave it to your own imagination as to what uses a company of say 100 people, all with a quite powerfull telekintic ability could be put!. Finally I come to interested group 3. The Security forces. In someways theirs and the Military objectives would dovetail ie-application of and supression/control of the ability. However, I beleive that by the very nature of the security forces, their interest in telekinesis and a practioner thereof would be more on a clandestine level and as opposed to the military, if they were in complete control of matters then we would never hear of such a person/persons unless there was a mistake/accident in a security operation that the media got a hold of. I hope this will give you food for thought Sincere and whilst in thinking mode remember this. Fact is often stranger than fiction and behind most legends/myths there is a fact waiting to get out. One of the best ways to cover up something you dont want people to think too hard about is to have it in your face! As popular fiction, comic books, fantasy/scifi TV shows etc etc. Ps. years ago I was initiated into that phenomenon known as Star Trek. I was amazed by all the gadjets and concepts and was instantly hooked and have been ever since. There were 3 aspects of the show that I found extremely "facinating" (lol) One was matter transportation(beam me up) Two was faster light travel and three was their communicators, you know thos dinky little gadgets into which they could speak with someone halfway across the planet or up in orbit. In the case of matter transfer search the BBC website or google adn you may find an interesting article on the subject. "Warp Drive" is still many years away, but who knows when some small breakthrough somewhere may start us on that journey. As for the communicator....I have one in my pocket and mine can do what Captain Kirks could not,if he had my communicator he could see Scotty when he requested a beam up!! Like I said fact is sometimes stranger than fiction and history has shown that what seems blatently impossible today, may often become commonplace/common fact tommorrow. Regards Rohan |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 22, 2004 Views: 1525 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. Hi Rohan, I will restrict my reply to just one aspect of your long postings. You again ask about me to research what happened to the boy that appeared on the David Nixen Magic Show all those years ago and bent a metal rod by the power of TK. All I can say to you is this. Why do you take it so seriously? We are not talking about a scientific experiment conducted by a reputable and highly respected and internationally recognised establishment. Think about where you saw this 'demonstration of TK'. It was on a magic show that was all about entertaining the public with 'magic' tricks.... sawing people in half, people disappearing inside cabinets, rabbits coming out of hats, etc. And you think the TK bit was real???? Do you also think that people were really sawn in half on stage? I really don't think we need take this argument any further. |
| Posted By: Sincere Posted On: Oct 23, 2004 Views: 1517 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. That's the problem. My normally fertile imagination has failed me. Please would you give me one specific example of a way in which the Defense Department, for example, could use such a person? Kindest regards and thanks for the reply. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Oct 23, 2004 Views: 1512 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. Hi Rohan While Sincere waits for your reply, I have had a go at replying to your question myself. Your question was...... "I will leave it to your own imagination as to what uses a company of say 100 people, all with a quite powerful telekinetic ability could be put!" Let's see. Telekinetics claim that 1 person can move a 2 inch square piece of paper from a distance of 1 foot (All figures approx. of course as TK has never been demonstrated under test conditions). Therefore, near as damn it, 25 people would be required to move a standard sheet of A4 paper. Therefore 100 people would be able to move a single broadsheet newspaper page from a distance of 1 foot. Plus, with extensive military training these people may eventually get to a "quite powerful " level of power as you put it. Let's be kind and say 100 times greater than normal, whereby they could move that newspaper page from a distance 100 times as far away. That's 30 yards. 100 people would therefore be put to far more effective use if they simply stood there and threw stones. Oh, and I almost forgot, the direction can't be controlled, apparently, sometimes it goes the way wanted sometimes it goes the other way. With 100 people it would then, on average, all cancel out and the paper psi wheel wouldn't move anyway. So, as I said, get them to throw stones instead. |
| Posted By: Notyourinfo Posted On: Nov 1, 2004 Views: 1476 | RE: It exists but the proof is covered up. Oh man what i would gives to show you real TK Kieth |
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