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| Posted By: Martial_Artist Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 812 | tk'ers, be aware.. Im writing this for all the people who started a while ago with paranormal things like telekinesis.. PLease be aware of the fact that Keith Mayes and other sceptics are messing with your subconscious.. If you do not feel confidenced enough about telekinesis.. or if you believe it, have maybe practised it your self.. but you have not totally confinced yourself.. then the louzy arguments Keith posts here about static and such will probably have a great deal of influence on you...consciously, or subconsiously. I recommend the people who started to believe in this wonderfull thing called telekinesis just a little while ago, not to come here anymore. It may ruin your believe. If you are doing these things for longer and you absolutely believe in it, then you will be able to much better look through those louze arguments of Keith and others.. and you will recognise it as bull****. But if you are still in the doubting phase with tk, or if you are just starting out and still got good hopes for the future and tk, then please don't let these sceptics confince you otherwise. Would be a shame. Greetings, MA |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 809 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Hi Matial_Artist, Just a couple of points you need to consider: 1) Don't you think people should look at both sides of an argument and make up their own minds? What right do you think you have to tell them what they can look at and what they can't? I thought we lived in a democracy, even though ppsociety act like, and are, dictators. 2) Would pp society allow you post a comment on their site that rubbished them? No! The comment would be removed and you would be banned. Ask yourself what they are so afraid of that I am not? Why don't I remove your comment and ban you? The answer should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain. I have nothing to hide, I am telling the truth. What are ppsociety telling you? Oh yes "It is static Jim, but not as we know it". As a matter of interest, try and find anywhere on their site where they say TK is real. Interesting omission isn't it? 3) On what grounds do you claim I am "messing with your subconscious"? I am saying loud and clear that TK is not required to move a psi wheel or straw, and have even given instructions on how to do it, without TK. That is me consciously informing people of my findings. Look up both words in a dictionary. 4) I can't force anyone to come to my site, If they come and read what I have to say that is their choice, If afterwards they still believe they have Tk, then they have made that decision and that again is their choice. I believe in sharing information, freedom of expression and choices in what we do. I can see what you believe in. Like I said before, this is the wrong site for you. Happy new year. Keith |
| Posted By: Martin Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 806 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. This is funny guys, you two are saying the same ****ing things. It seems diferent, but it's only because one believe and the other don't(you can see it in the words the choose.) So as a resume of both side: IF YOU BELIEVE IN TK Leave this forum and get used to what you believe in to get more confidence in it. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN TK Try an do experiements on what it could be or read in the forum what people think and why. Argue against them, well be objective. And Mayes, please, don't think PPsociety is the only web site out there with a bunch of people "building" the web site. Please, oh, please(don't get this wrong) stop thinking they are like a dark abstarcted religious group trying to rule over the world. When I read you writing about them, it's the feeling I get... maybe it's not what you want... If not, choose your words with a better dictionary. Objectivity work on both sides of this debats. |
| Posted By: Martial_Artist Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 800 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Hey Keith, alright here are those points you wanted me to consider: 1) I do not tell people what they can or what they cannot do, I only adviced them. (as I made clear enough in my other post) I do not bother with both sides of arguments, that has nothing to do with this and what I meant in my post. I posted that text, to warn some people for a site like this, because I think it would be a shame if their personal process in paranormal things would be stopped or slowed down because they are influenced by you and others consciously or not. It would be a shame if people who are just starting to believe that they have been living their lives with just a few percent of their full potential, are now being discouraged because they consciously, or subconsciously take the things what are said by you for reality. And off course that is a choice they make, but not every choice you make is a choice you take consciously or all by yourself. Others influence you on another level, and that can play its part in peoples believes. And I just want more people to see that they have lived life as a zombie, and that there is so much more that most people don't think is possible. So my post was just a warning, and not a dictionary post. Plus, I have nothing to do with PPsociety, nor does my post... so why did you brought that up? that community has nothing to do with me or what I said. 2)I still do not see what ppsociety has to do with me and what I said. 3)Well I think I made pretty clear what I meant with people influencing your subconscious mind at point 1). I am claiming this on alot of grounds. I see what this site is doing to some of my close friends, who are not progressing with tk anymore, because there subconscious has taken over some of your arguments, and its now forming what you call a mindblock. And I really pity the fact that they do not progress anymore. 4)Im not blaming you for getting people to this site, I only want to make the people, to whom the first post was pointed to, aware of the fact that they are being influenced by this at a deeper level.. and that that can form mindblocks..and sudden disbelieves. I hope I made myself clear now. And believers, and doubters: I just want to say, continue to get more out of your life by things like this. It will help you so much with alot of things in your life. Just be aware that this site and sceptics may tell you arguments that sound very logical, and can tempt you into believing these kind of things do not exist. Don't let that happen to yourself :) Would be the biggest mistake you can ever make :) Greetings to all, MA |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 791 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. MA, I will restrict my reply to just two points. 1) You are a member of ppsociety and make many posts on that site. That is why I made the comparison with that site and this one. I thought that would have been obvious to you. 2) What you are saying is that new TKers would be deterred from 'progressing' their TK skills if they read this site, so it would be better if they didn't. Okay, then tell them not to read my site. Never let it be said that I stand in the way of progress. Problem solved. Okay now? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 12, 2005 Views: 788 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Hi Martin, QUOTE...."Please, oh, please(don't get this wrong) stop thinking they are like a dark abstarcted religious group trying to rule over the world. When I read you writing about them, it's the feeling I get... maybe it's not what you want... If not, choose your words with a better dictionary." How on earth do you manage to arrive at that rather odd conclusion? I honestly don't know how you manage to infer that from anything I have said. Why do I need a better dictionary? Would you care to point out where I have made any remarks that any normal person could infer what you claim. I think you must be putting a hell of a personal twist on my writings. I am very outspoken in whatever message I intend to communicate. I really can't be held responsible for "the feeling I get". |
| Posted By: Martial_Artist Posted On: Jan 13, 2005 Views: 771 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Keith: 1) I am not a member of ppsociety and I have no psots there. Check the site.. You will see no Martial Artist there. 2) I never said that YOU were the problem for the slow progressing problem from some people. Let me make clear that that is not YOUR fault, but that is their own fault. THEY get influenced from the outside. And that is for 90% Their fault. So I'm only warning those people for themselves. Do you understand what I mean? Greetings |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 13, 2005 Views: 767 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. MA You must be joking! 1) You have many posts on ppsociety, anyone can check that for themselves. You are just trying to hide behind the fact that you are now a "deleted user" at that site. 2)Take another look at your first post on this thread. QUOTE....."PLease be aware of the fact that Keith Mayes and other sceptics are messing with your subconscious.. If you do not feel confidenced enough about telekinesis.. or if you believe it, have maybe practised it your self.. but you have not totally confinced yourself.. then the louzy arguments Keith posts here about static and such will probably have a great deal of influence on you...consciously, or subconsiously." What planet do you live on? Why don't you just go back there? |
| Posted By: Martial Artist Posted On: Jan 13, 2005 Views: 762 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Keith: 1) Hmm this is strange.. all my posts are now back on ppsociety.com. when I left there, the host deleted all my posts.. and apparently now with the new lay-out he have put them back, so sorry for the wrong information I have you guys, I thought all my posts didnt exist anymore. 2) You just dont get it do you. you quoted that I said: " Keith mayes and other sceptics are messing with your subconscious." Now by that I mean that you are messing with their subconscious, but you are not RESPONSIBLE for that. It may be a bit hard for you to understan what I mean, since Im from another planet, but the people are letting themselves get influenced, and they let you mess with their subconscious mind... so it is not your fault, it is theirs, and thats what I wanted to warn them for. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 13, 2005 Views: 754 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. MA, What crime did you commit to become ' a deleted user' . Post something in the wrong place? Upset Felix "Elite Webmaster"? (What a jerk, Elite Webmaster. Get a life.) Or did you use a banned word to descibe TK? Do tell. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jan 14, 2005 Views: 741 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. If I'm not mistaken, he requested that his posts and his account be removed It had nothing to do with ppsociety.com staff (if I can call it that) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 14, 2005 Views: 738 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. I think he can speak for himself? |
| Posted By: Martial_Artist Posted On: Jan 14, 2005 Views: 729 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. Well this has nothing to do with my subject, but I'll answer it. I was deleted, because I announced on the forum that I wanted to leave. I wanted to leave because of personal reasons that are of no use to post here. So I was not deleted because I said somthing that fidex didn't like, but because I requested it. Now unless somebody has anything very interesting to tell or ask, I won't be posting in this thread anymore. I said what I wanted to say, and we are getting more and more off-topic. this thread is of no use anymore. greetings, MA |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 14, 2005 Views: 725 | RE: tk'ers, be aware.. MA. Thank Christ for that! |