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| Posted By: Ramza Posted On: Apr 2, 2005 Views: 961 | new TK videos I will post a link regarding some of your (Keith's) newer videos. http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Silly%20Stuff.html These are mainly the videos that I'm reffering to. Anyway, in those videos you successfully show that you can spin a wheel under cover at a distance, and move a pencil. Now what I would like is an explaination as to how these things DID happen if not through the same mechanism as TK. Perhaps you don't know, perhaps the only thing you are fully aware of is the fact that it ISN'T TK, but if you can offer an explaination I would honestly love to hear it. My reasone being that I had always assumed that a cover would prevent all convection currents, static etc. provided you stayed far enough away from it, and that a pencil was simply too heavy to be effected by such things, but appearently I was wrong. Anyway, I'm not trying to disprove you or anything, merely better my understanding of the subject. As things stand I'm not sure whether or not I belive in TK but it is a fascinating subject so I'm trying to get all the info I can. PS. I made the same post on an existing topic, but your forum doesn't seem to move recently posted in topics to the top (like most do) so I'm making an extra topic to reduce the risk of my post being completly ignored. Maybe your forum does do that, but the topic wasn't moved up when I checked so I have to assume that it doesn't. |
| Posted By: Ramza Posted On: Apr 4, 2005 Views: 947 | RE: new TK videos Those are fairly nice videos. Far from proof but still a step in the right direction I think. My primary concern with your straw video is air currents. Even steady motion could be created by such currents just by the positioning of your hands and/or body, causing currently existing currents to get re-directed to your psi-wheel or straw. Most important of all is to make sure the air-conditioning isn't on. No video could ever be 100% proof since you couldn't really prove the adsence of A/C or mental effort. Even the most convincing experiment would still only really be proof to the person doing it anyway. As for Keith, I'm quite dissapointed that he won't offer an explaination and would like an explaination as to why he won't offer one. I would think that if you're going to make fake videos then wouldn't it support your anti-TK position even better if you explained how they could be faked. Granted I was kind of expecting that he used some cheap (yet convincing) parlor trick to do it (blowing on the pencil, pulling some unseen cord, heating his psi-wheel cover etc.), either way, I would still like to know. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: Apr 4, 2005 Views: 942 | RE: new TK videos Alas, maybe this video is still another step in the right direction? http://www.cryocode.com/TwoStraws.wmv If air currents really moved the straw like that, then shy does the other one remain stock-still? I don't know, and I plan on making more videos like it. Oh, and this is in a small 10x6 office, with the door closed and no windows, and no AC. As to Keith, I think the main reason he won't tell us how he did them is because they would undermine his argument instead of helping it. Think about it, if I made a video of me moving a pencil like that, but then I show my face (and me not blowing on it), after he already says that that was how he had faked it, he would lose argument points. I would then come out in the lead, and he would be back to the drawing board for making another video. |
| Posted By: Ramza Posted On: Apr 5, 2005 Views: 927 | RE: new TK videos That one is pretty impresive at the end, when the pink straw moves but not the other, but at the beginning it could more easily have been static because you only put your fingers near the pink one. Just the same I'm impressed with the ending. As for Keith, he isn't making videos of other people doing things, he's making videos of himself doing things. If he made a video of something moving and said that he blew on it, then you make a video that proves you can do the same thing without blowing one it then he could still chalk it up to some other explaination. I sort of see what your saying that he won't talk because another video that doesn't do what his did would go against his own arguments, but failure to provide explainations on such grounds is rather pathetic on his part. He's gone from the open minded scientist that he seems in his articles to a closed minded fool who is actively choosing to make it more difficult for other arguments to made just because they would interfere with his own agenda. If that is the case, then Keith makes me sad. If he was really sure of his beliefes then he wouldn't be afraid to have them countered and he'd either explain his videos, or at least explain his inability to explain them. If he won't do at least that much then he's a coward. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: Apr 6, 2005 Views: 923 | RE: new TK videos Of course he could explain away a new video made by someone else with a different explanation. What he would lack though, is that wonderful video 'proof' that says you can do it non-telekinetically. See, he told me and everyone else repeatedly that his videos show that the TK stunts can be done without TK. What he fails to take into account are all the different variations people are demonstrating in new videos. For example, I would really like to see a video showing Keith do the two-straw one without TK. I for one can't think of any way to accomplish this, but with his vast scientific mind, I'm sure he'd think of something. Yes, Keith does make me sad. I only post on this forum, but most of his other ideas about 'Theories with Problems' are flawed. Sometimes he abandons rational thought altogether for a more abstract aproach to a problem, and subsequently loses his objectiveness and fumbles his scientific rhetoric. I still believe that the reason for him not explaining his videos is the simple fact that it would harm his argument. Granted, it would be very pathetic of him. Take a look at my psi-wheel video that shows that both hands aren't close to it. The reason why his wheels move is because of convectional currents, but in my video, convectional currents cannot account for the constant spinning of the wheel. And of course, the covered psi-wheel video of his is easy to do 'without your hands.' He in fact used his hands, and then recorded without them. Spin an uncovered psi-wheel for a minute or more without your hands wrapped around it, Keith, and that will indeed be something. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Apr 20, 2005 Views: 863 | RE: new TK videos Hi guys, good points. However, just to prod a few things: 1) Keith could simply be away, or grown bored of the subject. Nothing deeper than that is required here. 2) A video can never be proof. Even demonstration to a scientist isn't solid proof, only strong evidence. It's simply the nature of science and the words 'proof' vs 'evidence' :) Nevertheless, you've been doing some good work there Nick. Kudos |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: Apr 20, 2005 Views: 861 | RE: new TK videos >Even demonstration to a scientist isn't solid >proof, only strong evidence. It's simply the >nature of science and the words 'proof' >vs 'evidence' :) Yeah, exactly why even if I did win the million dollars, a lot of people would still not believe me. >Nevertheless, you've been doing some good work >there Nick. Kudos Thanks :) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 4, 2005 Views: 791 | RE: new TK videos You guys are so missing the point! The reason I posted the Silly Stuff videos is simply to demonstrate how pointless it is to offer up videos in support of a claim for TK. How I faked them is beside the point, and revealing how I did it would not change a thing. Go figure! |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: May 5, 2005 Views: 789 | RE: new TK videos Keith, if all you're saying is 'videos are pathetic evidence (or none)' - then I think that is understood. I'm in favour of investigating it though. We only have Nick's word for it that he isn't 'cheating', but if what he's saying is true then he's at least testing it. He has indicated the intention to have it tested by a scientific authority at some point. I'm simply in favour of anyone testing it. The better the test and the test environment the better of course. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 5, 2005 Views: 785 | RE: new TK videos QUOTE "He has indicated the intention to have it tested by a scientific authority at some point. I'm simply in favour of anyone testing it. The better the test and the test environment the better of course." Yes of course. I am also in favour of people having their TK claims tested. So why don't they? Some also say they will scientifically self test their 'controlability' but for one reason or another don't get around to it ;-) Many people have said they will put their TK skills to the test, but none have so don't hold your breath, it aint gonna happen. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 5, 2005 Views: 778 | RE: new TK videos >Yes of course. I am also in favour of people >having their TK claims tested. >So why don't they? > >Some also say they will scientifically self >test their 'controlability' but for one reason >or another don't get around to it ;-) I have scientifically tested my controlability. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 5, 2005 Views: 776 | RE: new TK videos Good for you. In that case I am convinced that you are a genuine TKer. Proof at last. Well done. Next patient please. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 8, 2005 Views: 750 | RE: new TK videos Whoa, thank you very much. Now that I have your blessing, I will now go to the news studios and say how the great Keith Mayes has deemed me telekinetic, so therefore I am. They will all believe me, because you are "the" king when it comes to determining true telekinetic ability. Haha... |