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| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 7, 2005 Views: 1596 | Regarding Quantum Physics "The fourth key paradox offered by quantum physics is found in the Copenhagen Interpretation. Developed in 1930 by Niels Bohr, Werner Heisenberg, and Max Born, the Copenhagen Interpretation maintains that the experimenter (observer) and his/her experiment are inseparable; there is no such thing is an independent observer not affecting the experiment. The theory maintains that reality exists in the form of probability waves. Physical objects only "appear" due to the collapse of their probability waves (Schrodinger wave function) by a conscious observer. In its simplest form, it means that any quantum experiment must include everything about the experiment's setup, including the experimenter [Gribben, 1995]. The easiest way to understand this is to recall that the outcome of the experiment is dependent upon the experiment's setup. In the double-slit experiment; if a screen is used, waves will be detected; if a particle detector is used, particles will be detected. The experimenter chooses the setup and consequently his/her consciousness participates in the quantum system by collapsing the wave function [lecture notes]. " Link: http://www.enspirepress.com/writings_on_consciousness/consciousness_quan tum/consciousness_quantum.html If the theory of quantum physics is true, the human consciousness can, and does, affect the environment. How is this not telekinesis? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 8, 2005 Views: 1594 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics You raise a good point. For a fuller explanation of Quantum Mechanics see my page: Quantum Mechanics You ask if this can be used to explain telekinesis. The short answer to that is no, it cant. The quantum experiment observer does affect the experiment, but only at the quantum level of individual electrons or photons. The observer has no effect on objects in the macro world at all. Furthermore, the effect the observer has on these particles is not determined by the observer, it is determined by the particle. Also, the particle does not move in any way other than it normally does, it does not defy gravity or move in any way that is at odds with natural physics. TK claims to be able to make objects move in a supernatural way under the control of the practitioner. There is no connection between QM and TK. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 8, 2005 Views: 1587 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics Like I said, there is no connection between the way individual particles move depending on how the experiment is set up and TK. If you think there is then you had better explain it, it would be a first! |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: May 10, 2005 Views: 1571 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics QUOTE: [Also, the particle does not move in any way other than it normally does, it does not defy gravity or move in any way that is at odds with natural physics TK claims to be able to make objects move in a supernatural way under the control of the practitioner.] END QUOTE. Just a small nitpick, but not all of us consider it to be supernatural at all. Or to defy physics as a set of laws. I would simply see it as another piece in the physics puzzle - and we would need to determine it's place. Of course, until someone actually demonstrates TK to the scientific community, this won't happen. |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 10, 2005 Views: 1563 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics In that case I'm gonna have to comment Niels Bohr myself: He really believed in TK? How daft was he? Was he honestly stupid enough to believe in TK? Maybe he should have played with his psi wheel instead of being a physicist. He was obviously too stupid to do any basic reasoning. Ho ho ho! ...And so on. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 10, 2005 Views: 1560 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics >In that case I'm gonna have to comment Niels >Bohr myself: > >He really believed in TK? >How daft was he? >Was he honestly stupid enough to believe in TK? >Maybe he should have played with his psi wheel >instead of being a physicist. >He was obviously too stupid to do any basic >reasoning. >Ho ho ho! >...And so on. Haha, good one! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 10, 2005 Views: 1555 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics And your imagined connection between the Copenhagen interpretation and TK is...............? Well, let's hear it, should make for a good laugh. It will be a wonderful example of how some people can totally misunderstand science. Please explain it. |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 11, 2005 Views: 1546 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics I'm currently in the process of contacting the author who wrote that article where it was mentioned. Note that this was not my own claim, but something that was written in a magazine. And no, it wasn't TK quarterly or paranormal monthly. |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 11, 2005 Views: 1541 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics This is what the article said: "Albert Einstein and the danish quantum physicist Niels Bohr discussed why identical scientific experiments could give different results. Bohr claimed that the scientist unconsciously affected the results, based on the idea that thought waves can materialize themselves and vice versa. The results from Princeton shows that he may have been right." |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 11, 2005 Views: 1534 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics I'll repeat the question as you have failed to answer it. And your imagined connection between the Copenhagen interpretation and TK is...............? Well, let's hear it, should make for a good laugh. It will be a wonderful example of how some people can totally misunderstand science. Please explain it. |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 11, 2005 Views: 1532 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics I can see why people keep telling you that your twisting their arguements. >I'll repeat the question as you have failed to answer >it. >And your imagined connection between the Copenhagen >interpretation and TK is...............? >Well, let's hear it, should make for a good laugh. >It will be a wonderful example of how some people can >totally misunderstand science. >Please explain it. I have never claimed there is a direct connection between the Copenhagen interpretation and TK. That's where you fail to get me. Read what I quoted above. That's what I got so far, but I'm working on getting more information about it. So please, stick to what I'm saying and not what you think I'm saying. It would make everything so much easier. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 11, 2005 Views: 1527 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics anomaly said: >So please, stick to what I'm saying and not >what you think I'm saying. It would make >everything so much easier. Yeah, I have the same problem with Keith too. What he does is take your original argument, find a way to divert it from the main point, and then complain that you don't really have an argument. It's a good tactic used by forum trolls. What is sad is that Keith owns these forums, and he is their very own troll. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 12, 2005 Views: 1510 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics anomaly YOUR QUOTE: I have never claimed there is a direct connection between the Copenhagen interpretation and TK. That's where you fail to get me. Read what I quoted above. anomaly, you are so dumb as to be unreal. Below is what you said in your first post on this thread: YOUR QUOTE; If the theory of quantum physics is true, the human consciousness can, and does, affect the environment. How is this not telekinesis? At your request I have stuck to what you said, not what I think you said. And you still look incredibly stupid. If this is the best you can do for an argument, then like Nick, you really should give up instead of continuing to make a bigger fool of yourself with every dumb comment you make. Go play spinning psi wheels with the other single IQ morons. You are way too stupid to bother with. Seriously. |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 12, 2005 Views: 1504 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics >anomaly, you are so dumb as to be unreal. Below >is what you said in your first post on this >thread: > >QUOTE; If the theory of quantum physics is >true, the human consciousness can, and does, >affect the environment. How is this not >telekinesis? " And what does that have to do with Copenhagen again? Haha, you are just too funny Keith... |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 13, 2005 Views: 1297 | RE: Regarding Quantum Physics Keith: I won't even bother to comment what you're saying as you've now managed to the absolute zero in the quality of your arguementation. What you're saying has no relevance to anything I've said. And if you think you're so smart, go get your IQ tested. I'll warn you though, you might get disappointed. Nick: It's so ridiculous, it's funny. The funny thing is, he could never have reacted that way if something else had been discussed, like astronomy. TK seems to be such a touchy subject to him. |
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