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| Posted By: Will Posted On: Jun 28, 2009 Views: 1460 | Let's be honest... I would like to believe in TK, truly I would. I completely understand the bad-ass appeal of moving objects with my mind. I would do the dishes, and clean my house without ever lifting a finger, oh the joy. I would also like to make a Kamayamaya wave, or shoot an optical blast from my eyes that could destroy anything, or have adamantium blades come out of my hands and heal from anything. But people, these are imaginary concepts. Except for my adamantium blades in my hands, I do not believe I could do any of these things. I like the thoughts and fantasies of doing them but that is all they are. Now if you will excuse me, I need to sharpen my adamantium blades on my dragons scales, it is the only thing that does the trick. Then I have to meet King Arthur and Merlin for lunch. We are starting a new hero league, if you have any ideas what to call it let me know. Peace, Will |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 29, 2009 Views: 1455 | RE: Let's be honest... How about: Nights of the levitating table? |
| Posted By: Masta_J Posted On: Jul 14, 2009 Views: 1419 | RE: RE: Let's be honest... I can understand your skeptism, however, you can't just out and say it's all imagination. Where is your substantiation for such a claim? Do yourself a favour, google a documentary called, "My shocking story: electric humans." This is not TK, however it is very strong evidence of the human ability to conduct energy beyond what science can explain. Throughout the centuries, there have been so many different abilities which humans have demonstrated, disproving limitations put forth by science. From humans exerting excess magnetism, to people displaying incredible tolerances to heat, pain, bodily harm etc without any signs of physical damage. Here in SA, we have a swimmer who swam a mile across the arctic with nothing but a spedo on. By all scientific means, he should have died of hypothermia, however he survived and had no side effects from the cold water. After scientific analasys of his body, they found that his core naturally generated over three times the amount of heat as a normal person when exposed to extreme cold. In the past, the concept of a black hole was also just "imagination," but now, there is alot of substantial scientific evidence that we can actually create them using the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). The further we progress as a race, the more advanced our technology becomes, the more about the world/galaxy/universe/void we understand. We simply haven't found the technological means to measure the energy of abilities such as TK. Although I must say, there is an instance on the show Ghost Hunters by which they put a thermal imaging camera on a psychic during a psychic reading and they show how certain parts of the psychics brain showed far more heat activity than what falls within, "normal", human range. Right now, there is no solid evidence to prove that TK is fact, however, there is no solid evidence that it is fiction either. The current evidence leans more towards the fact that it does exist. Do your research and then make a decision as to whether you believe or not. Remember, assumption is the mother of all **** ups! |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jul 14, 2009 Views: 1417 | RE: Let's be honest... Your first paragraph says it all really "I can understand your skeptism, however, you can't just out and say it's all imagination. Where is your substantiation for such a claim? Do yourself a favour, google a documentary called, "My shocking story: electric humans." This is not TK, however it is very strong evidence of the human ability to conduct energy beyond what science can explain." 1)Where is MY substantiation? I do not need to, and cannot possibly, prove that TK does not exist. Nothing can be proven to NOT exist. If I claim to be able to walk on water can you prove I can´t? Obviously not! It would be up to me to prove I can because I would be the one making the claim. Same with TK, it has never been proven, those that claim to have it need to prove it instead of just talking about it. 2) As for "my shocking story: electric humans" so what? I happened to watch that documentary on TV. After some interesting demonstrations (NOTE: It was actually demonstrated under strict test conditions, unlike TK!) and some careful measurements, it was found the guy had unusual surface skin properties, something to do with moisture (perspiration) and his PK level and similar stuff that I didn´t bother to commit it to memory. Turns out his skin is a good conductor of electricity, therefore it flows across his skin and out onto the contact he is touching. There is nothing mysterious about it and nothing to suggest that "it is very strong evidence of the human ability to conduct energy beyond what science can explain." Just the opposite actually, science explained it very easily. It´s amazing how simple facts can be twisted to suit the opinion of someone´s argument. I wonder how many people reading your piece on that ASSUMED it was true? Never assume anything! Yes, research is very important! |
| Posted By: Will Posted On: Jul 24, 2009 Views: 1388 | RE: Let's be honest... As for your Arctic swimmer. I am from Alaska, and I have a tolerance for the cold. Tolerance is not the same thing as a special power. Working in the Mojave desert and in Iraq, I know I have an intollerance to heat. My whole family can play outside in freezing water for a few hours. Yes we go numb, but we don't go into shock. As far as three times the body heat, that does not matter. If your in a speedo, in the arctic circle, swimming in the ocean, you could produce 20 times the body heat and it would still get sucked out of you from the freezing waters. As long as he had the will power to keep moving, didn't go into shock, and didn't get frost bite, then it is entirely possible to do said feat. |
| Posted By: Anon Posted On: Sep 13, 2009 Views: 1310 | RE: Let's be honest... "Nothing can be proven to NOT exist." Yes it can. Fermat's last theorem says that with any power number above 2, the value on the hypotenuse will not be a whole number. To prove this, you have to also prove that there is not a single equation in the entire universe invalidating the theorem. However, in general you are correct as far as I understand. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Sep 13, 2009 Views: 1306 | RE: Let's be honest... I was referring to "real" things, not theoretical mathematics. However, even Fermat´s last theorem has been proven, in 1995, but that has nothing to do with this discussion. |
| Posted By: Anon Posted On: Sep 14, 2009 Views: 1303 | RE: Let's be honest... "However, even Fermat´s last theorem has been proven, in 1995, but that has nothing to do with this discussion." Yes, the theorem has been proven. And in order to prove it true, they (by definiton) had to prove that there wasn't a single exception anywhere in the universe, thus proving that something did not exist. As I said, in general you are correct. I was simply raising the point that there are exceptions where negatives can be proven. That's all. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Sep 14, 2009 Views: 1300 | RE: Let's be honest... I have come across some strange arguments in my time but that is one of the weirdest. Every argument that proves a point proves there are no negatives to it, obviously, so what? That is not proving a negative, the negative is simpy a result of proving the positive. My point is that you cannot prove a negative in the sense that you cannot prove me wrong if I claim to be able to walk on water. Discussing mathematical absracts has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, I would have thought that was obvious. Why is there always someone who has to try to be a smart arse? |
| Posted By: Anon Posted On: Sep 15, 2009 Views: 1295 | RE: Let's be honest... "I have come across some strange arguments in my time but that is one of the weirdest. Every argument that proves a point proves there are no negatives to it, obviously, so what? That is not proving a negative, the negative is simpy a result of proving the positive." True, there is no setting out to directly prove a negative. Nevertheless, the negative is proved. "My point is that you cannot prove a negative in the sense that you cannot prove me wrong if I claim to be able to walk on water." For the third time, I agree!! "Discussing mathematical absracts has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, I would have thought that was obvious." I didn't say mathematics had anything to do with telekinesis, or the argument in this thread. I was merely using it to demonstrate that negatives could be proved, even if indirectly. I would have thought that was obvious. "Why is there always someone who has to try to be a smart arse?" It seemed that you were using the 'rule' as if there were never any exceptions, and that is what I was addressing. I don't see how that is being a smart arse. |
| Posted By: Anon Posted On: Sep 15, 2009 Views: 1294 | RE: Let's be honest... "True, there is no setting out to directly prove a negative. Nevertheless, the negative is proved." Perhaps what I said here requires some clarification. Andrew Wiles did not set out to prove Fermat's last theorem was true or false. He wanted to discover which of the options was correct. However, he could have gone in with the intention of proving it wrong, and the outcome would have been the same. Of course, there could be a flaw in my logic somewhere. |
| Posted By: O.o Posted On: Oct 16, 2010 Views: 1015 | RE: Let's be honest... i can prove you can't walk on water .. i choose the pool i make sure you're not using any goddamned tricks and i put you walk :)) and to be sure you do not refuse to i put a gun at your head:)) |
| Posted By: O.o Posted On: Oct 16, 2010 Views: 1014 | RE: Let's be honest... what i can't prove is that no1 can walk on water ... :)) which is harder coz lets just say i can put 6billion water try to swim ( of course i can't but lets just presume i can ) how do i know their grandfathers couldn't or their kids won't :)) ? and lets mention tehnology is vast and unlimited:)) we'll one day walk on thin air ( i mean flying without any 100kilos equipment but just with a simple pair of boots ) or maybe we won't who cares who knows O.o Ow and im not a tker but im trying to be obiective not taking any sides ...the chances are slim but who knows it may be possible ... do you think people can comunicate just by thinking ? it's quite possible in a distant future :) but let me ask you a question if you go 1000 years in the past do you think those people would say it may be possible ? people are always very negative on things they don't understand ... so they're sometime wrong about things .. take the first plane or the first submersible .... ok i agree not everything the human mind comes up with is very plausible but nothing is imposible ... take energy or why not a computer ... energy at start very hard to compress ... what we're dealing now with sun made energy :)) but in the future we'll be able to compress it in a watch bathery dimension containing 100 watz of energy or more .... and computers ..i saw one once it was as big as a home wall > now you can cary it around with you ... so theres no imposible ... just not posible yet ( in my opinion ) and this is not a debate mather :)) as no1 can prove to me there will be a time when the human mind won't understand something if our society never dissapears :)) so it mathers the time interval you're talking about o>o |