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| Posted By: lee Posted On: Nov 23, 2004 Views: 1863 | the slang no doubt other british people have commented, but heres my two cents ( or pence). i am welsh and the scene in crossfire (part 3 i think i cant check at the moment) did not have accenting of the welsh people, obviously heinkel still had hers. For the most part i am thankful for this as the slang is very stereotypical. when i say stereotypical i mean as in very archaic or not truely representative of the whole. to give an example for american readers (although i am sure the comment leavers here are from around the world) as to the misrepresentation of english present. all americans speak in the following manner 'hey dude, that chick is like so totally hitting on you' 'whatever' it doesnt apply to every person and the example given specifically refers to 90s slang which if you veiw modern programmes is slowly yet surely becoming obscelete.the slang of hellsing seems to be of 1940-1970s quality although still used in modern britain it is a case of 'the exception not the majority'. all the characters in the story to some extent use such slang, yet in the case of integra and walter, in particular, they would use stadardised english ie no slang at all. in the case of prehaps seras an exception can be made to an extent since she is of a working class background ( if we assume her father being a police man of high but not elite rank indicates so). sorry this is waffle so to clarify social class has to do with slang use, yes the upper class would use some slang but not excessive amounts and would be more inclined to standardised english. walter as a butler would also follow this. seras as working class is more inclined to slang use. alucard has been in Britain since victorian times so he may use such archaic slang and terms. in the case of the accents. andersongs, as stated, was an assumption based solely on his name and not hirano's actual dialogue in translation. the german accents are for the most part pantomine like (overdone/comical)prehaps heinkel would retain an accent as it is not clear how long she was in the vatican before crossfire began or what occurs between the end of it and her appearance in the main story, it is possible she returned to germany for a period and so reinforced her german pronunciation. in terms of pip a seem to have been given a contrast in different sources. in one he is french yet another presents him as austrailian, so i can not comment. the valentine brothers in particular - if assuming the anime background is the accepted one- who be extemely likely, particularly the excessive swearing of jan, which occurs in britain regularly without comment. in conclusion i find that if the accents and slang were toned down it would be acceptable but at the current level it brings a dissonance between the events and the dialogue being used. |
| Posted By: Pip Posted On: Nov 18, 2004 Views: 1950 | Catholics, gerbils and gits Phin, about the whole 99.8% thing, I did know you were exaggerating and I was just plating off it. I'm really glad you know about the history of the troubles (you'd be surprised how many don't) but all I really have to say regarding the Catholic/Protestant tensions in Scotland is that they are, as I said before, not openly displayed. They are disguised by football. It Rangers is the unofficial team of the Protestants and Celtic the unofficial team of the Catholics. I'm sure you must have seen a few strips around when in Scotland (Rangers are blue, Celtic are green and white hoops). These teams are strips are used as a method of continuing bigotry and sectarian violence in another guise. The Billies and the Tims have become the Greens (or Hoops) and the Blues. It's been suggested scrapping the teams would stop the violence, but the hooligans would just move onto supporting two new ones. The two most dangerous questions you can be asked in Scotland are "What school did you go to?" and "What team do you support?" Kiro, about the Gerbil (Gender Recognition Bill), I know it cant have anything to do with the manga, but thought it would amuse people to see that Sir Doris and Dame Boris will soon come into effect. And finally (I sound like a newsreader) the word git is not really slang, its ..its a saving word. A word people use to stop themselves from swearing. Its a mild and laughable insult and though not used by the extreme RP speaking aristocracy, is appropriate for Integras brazen character. |
| Posted By: Zydeco Posted On: Nov 13, 2004 Views: 2080 | Most stuff related to Phin :D. *arrogantly flaunts his renaissance-like knowledge*. Just kidding. Actually, for me it's more like common knowledge, since I have family in Baton Rouge, and have been to Louisiana/New Orleans more times than I can remember. Of course I'm going be subjected to some good ol' Cajun tunes while I'm there, it's only natural. Besides, a walk on Bourbon St. just wouldn't be complete without listening to some zydeco at the old Opera House, would it? It adds to the whole flavor of the trip - well, that and the strippers/transvestites/mixed drinks/cafe du monde beignets/tap dancing beggar kids ;). Well, I actually live in California. Yes Im a Californian and no matter how beautiful it is here, sometimes it really does suffocate your ideas. Ive visited New Orleans at least twice now. I really like the French Quarter, it has that neat old charm, but being my age I could find no real enjoyment on Bourbon St. I couldnt even go into a bar to use the darn bathroom! Besides we kept running into these really drugged out people that were hitting on us (I was with my sister and mother and remember I was younger then I was now when I went), and the whole street smelled like sewage. Not exactly my cup of tea. My mother really likes zydeco music, because she supposedly has Cajun blood. Which I cant see how affects your music tastes, I mean I have Swedish blood but I dont enjoy yodeling. J/k Besides zydeco music is very nice, kind of like a spicy jazz, and yes you really cant go to Louisiana without listening to a little bit. It really sets the mood. (Im making no sense *shrugs*) No offense, but yes, your age does show. However, as you correctly stated, for being 15, your debating skills are quite impressive, and definitely far superior to most your age. I know for damn sure I wasn't on your level at 15 :P. I was more concerned with girls, and cars, and stuff. Ahem, now I'm making myself feel old, but yeah... OH NO! *covers up her age* My age is showing! T-T Yeah being 15 and having some type of debating skills is hard to come across, but imagine how I feel. Im in high school and have all this somewhat useful info, and no one listens to me because they are all idiots that will someday grow up to pump gas. Sometimes I actually do think Im one of the most interesting people you can find at my school. But that just might be my own arrogance-talking wait it might just be my cockiness whats the difference? Oh I haven't forgotten your modus operandi, believe me. However, if you're going to stick to personal opinion that has no factual support in every post, I'm not going to continue to put much effort into my responses to them. Why? It'd be futile to waste effort on someone who only cares about their unfounded personal opinions, instead of factually formed ones. That's pushing aside logic and reality, and that's something I don't have a high tolerance level for. My point is that you wield those facts to support your personal opinion, making the facts you used personal opinion supporters, so wouldnt you say that facts can also be personal opinions? Yes that is somewhat an oxymoron, but then again the world is an oxymoron and it still works. Besides without opinions we are nothing more then lifeless, drooling, apes that dont support anything. Besides all opinions started from facts, so, like I said before, personal opinions are from facts so shouldnt facts be opinions. Oh yeah that was just one big paragraph of repetition. First, everything in life has "room for improvement", and my debating skills are no exception. Second, why do I feel the need to correct fallacies in posts? Well, why did Socrates like to break a apart and examine a single word for the purpose of finding its flaws in order to turn it against its initial user? Figure that out, you've got the answer(s) to your question. Hint: It's for the same reason I have a problem with the way DH is doing the Hellsing manga ;). Yes everything in life has room for improvement, but often a gentle nudge of reminder can just kick start an engine. As for your second reason, you can easily show others that their ideas have several holes in their overall defense, but blowing up in their face about it often encourages rebellion, which leads to even more pointless arguments of how one of the other point is correct. Besides sometimes no matter what someone says, their opinion is solid and it wont change no matter how many times you beat them up about it. People are stubborn which believe it or not, is demonstrated in your own passionate fight against DH. (why? Well you arent going to change your opinion in politics if someone says positive things about Bush correct) Second, as to the statement you're attempting to 'call me out' on, it seems you're the third person to take my textual humor literally. In your case, however, because of your age, it's understandable. You're too young to vote, and therefore probably wouldn't know much, or care about Bush's stupidity, right? You may, but I wouldn't think a 15yo would, since I wouldn't have at 15 :D. Yes, in debates I often take things to seriously, but can you really blame me. You are going off on a tangent of the wars in World War 2, before jetting off to how Ireland isnt all-catholic and then BANG youre going to marry a DH editor. That is a very dramatic shift if you ask me, and more often then you think people will take the seriousness from your other issues and try to understand why you put a joke in there. Its just another form of assumption. Just like your assumption that I dont have political ideas. Even though I dont like bring politics into a discussion like this, since it has no real parallel issues. I am a firm democrat, which I actually have mentioned before in one of my other posts. Why? Well, because Bush is an idiot, and I find that he will run this country into the ground with his stupidity. There, with that said, lets try to remove political stand points from this debate. Despite how you find DH to also be complete idiots doesnt mean that you can easily relate this issue to Bush (paranoid glance joke for you: Maybe, Bush is encouraging DH to print all of this because it is another way to bring down the intelligence of the country and will somehow brainwash us into fearing terrorists and make us eat more McDonalds super sized burgers. Yes! ITS A CONSPIRACY! *gets beat up for making useless points*) (paragraph here) Woah I have nothing to say to this, since it is repetition to the paragraph above the one above this one. The only thing I found funny was that you thought Id spawn Bush voters hehehe spawning bush voters. You can feel free to add as many opinion influenced comments/insults about ME as you'd like, I can take it :). Only, don't base your arguments about Anderson's, or other's accents on unfounded opinions. My opinions about Anderson's accent, aren't based on personal opinion, but factual reasoning/research/reality. My opinions on the stupidity of Dark Horse were formed AFTER they picked up on the mistake of the anime, and those opinions on the inconsistency of his accent in the anime were formed on reasearch/fact/words from Hirano's own mouth. That clarify it enough for you? I dont like beating people up about their thoughts, unless they are completely inane, but even in that case only with my friends. So I wont be beating the crap out of you with my words because you think DH sucks. In fact, how the hell should I know if DH sucks, Ive only been reading Hellsing stuff for a few months why the hell am I even on this BOARD! So many questions, but the real reason is that Im not going to attack you about something Im very naïve in. You did the research, you cared enough, I just posted up here stating how I feel and thats probably why you got on my case. (yay more repetition) But the phrase you pointed out was never really an opinion in the first place, just an insult laced with humor. I guess you didn't get it, though :\. P.S. - It's okay, you can call me an ass if you want, that sort of opinion is allowed - even though your comment behind it doesn't hold water anymore, you can still call me an ass ^_^. Nope I sure didnt. n_n Its sort of funny now though I guess. Nope, not calling you an ass either, since doing that never solves anything. Oh but anyone else can if they feel the need to. Likewise, Zydie. I'll try to tone down the level of humor in my posts for you, if you first start to learn to correctly comprehend my posts textual sense of humor. Er, woops, guess that would qualify as humorous, wouldn't it? Sorry, it's self-perpetuating :D. And if you need the scanlations, I'd be happy to provide them for you. But uh, didn't I mention that some are available on the Shine site in my last post? I distinctly remember saying something like that. Maybe I'm wrong. Zydie? Uh ok *is branded as Lydie* Oh dont worry about that this will probably be my last post here, Ive kind of realized I dont really belong here, since you know, being naïve and all. Come now, textual humor is hard to read when there is no emotional movements to read off of, no reflections in a voice, no facial expressions, not even a gesture. Reading funny things from text can be very difficult. Uh Ill look up that shrine thing. Wait which last post? Oh well, Ill figure it out. You can also email a site or something to me because I put my email address in most of my posts. But if you didnt get that either its explodingmoped@yahoo.com . ~Zydeco (now labeled Lydie) PS Oh my this entire post has barely anything to do with the real discussion. Hmph, well thats my problem I suppose. Bye Peeps! |
| Posted By: Phineas Posted On: Nov 13, 2004 Views: 1677 | Cont... This was so long, I was forced to split it into two sections just to post it... ahahaha >:). So, check the next page if the first part of this isn't visible. Here's the continuation. On to Erin... "All right, can we not have any further comments about politics in this poll?" Sure thing, unless Ryu decides to reply here. In which case, I'll take my reply to the appropriate location mentioned below. "I have no problem with the topic (or with mocking Bush, for that matter), but obviously there are enough points to follow already on the discussion of Dark Horse's translation, and we really don't need a political argument on top of that. Anyone who feels the need to mention that further is welcome to take his/her views to the erin_fans LJ community ^_^" You seemed to have 'some' problem with it, because at every Bush crack I made, you came back with a comment about it. But, whatever. I agree, and if there is a furtherance, as I said above, I'll gladly take it there ^_^. "And for the record, nobody ever said Integra's slang was incomprehensible, just unrealistic." Err... couldn't tell if that was directed to me or Robin. If to me, I know :P, and never said 'her' slang was incomprehensible. Only, like you said, unrealistic/unbecoming of her character. Millennium's, and particularly Anderson's on the other hand, is a different incomprehensible story. "Phineas, you too have stated things that are completely wrong as facts: "...a percentage of these self-proclaimed Hellsing fans are just kids (ie - Zahmira)" Me citing her as a kid was intended as a mockery, not a "concrete" fact to be taken literally. Since she wrote like one in her initial post, I felt the need to point it out. ""...you obviously know nothing about an editor's job..." Use of words like "obviously" is going beyond even just 'concrete terms'." The way she phrased her sentence, it surely seemed as if she hadn't the slightest clue; since "editors" don't translate, and through her wording, that's what she implied. "If you do feel as strongly as Phineas about the Hellsing manga, write to Dark Horse. However, they will not retranslate the manga, it's just not worth the time and money to do so right now." It looked to me like she thought they would have to "retranslate" the entire Japanese text, in order to get the dialogue correct. She then exaggerated that presumption by adding the "worth the money" sentence, which I took as 'they'd have to pay their translator a second time to acquire a different translation' (something I've explained isn't the case). That means in the realm of manga, she either didn't know, or misunderstood what an editors job was. I know it wasn't through me that she misunderstood, because throughout my arguments, I've always referred directly to the DH 'editors' as being the ones that ****ed up the manga - not the translator. She could have misspoke (or mistyped ;]), but I took it like I saw it. In retrospect, "apparently" would've probably been the better word to use. But as a result of how I took what she was trying to imply, "obviously" is what came out. "In essence, chill. Your logic regarding Dark Horse is all correct, but your posts would be half the length if they were just the logic with none of the ticked-off-ness ^_^" In short, no, I won't. My logic is fueled by my fervor for the topic at hand, and therefor I won't desist in my... uhhh... "ticked-off-ness" ^_^. Zydeco... "My word! Youre asking me if Im from New Orleans?! Not only do you know what Zydeco means but along with that, you know where the term originated from? Well, that just blasts you out of the water, of all the people I have ever known (outside my family of course) no one, and I mean NO ONE, has ever known that. Hmmm obviously I completely underestimated your renaissance-like knowledge." :D. *arrogantly flaunts his renaissance-like knowledge*. Just kidding. Actually, for me it's more like common knowledge, since I have family in Baton Rouge, and have been to Louisiana/New Orleans more times than I can remember. Of course I'm going be subjected to some good ol' Cajun tunes while I'm there, it's only natural. Besides, a walk on Bourbon St. just wouldn't be complete without listening to some zydeco at the old Opera House, would it? It adds to the whole flavor of the trip - well, that and the strippers/transvestites/mixed drinks/cafe du monde beignets/tap dancing beggar kids ;). "Other then that, you have apparently boxed me in. Checkmate I suppose. Congratulations, since I see that my debating skills are certainly in need of some improvement huh? Oh well, for my age I definitely out shine the competition, but thats still not good enough for me. (argh Im 15 alright bet you couldnt have guessed that? Not -_-;;)" No offense, but yes, your age does show. However, as you correctly stated, for being 15, your debating skills are quite impressive, and definitely far superior to most your age. I know for damn sure I wasn't on your level at 15 :P. I was more concerned with girls, and cars, and stuff. Ahem, now I'm making myself feel old, but yeah... "Lets see, lets see, lets see, well on account of your passion with the matter, perhaps I will bend to this overall opinion of yours, since at the moment Im so utterly one sided, which believe me is rather distressing even to myself. But please remember this is bending far from breaking, and even though I will peer into your side of the tale, I do like to keep my OWN opinion. Thank you. And if you be so kind as to point me in the right direction to find these divine scanlations of yours. I have already found looking for them without a guide exceedingly difficult, almost excruciatingly." Oh I haven't forgotten your modus operandi, believe me. However, if you're going to stick to personal opinion that has no factual support in every post, I'm not going to continue to put much effort into my responses to them. Why? It'd be futile to waste effort on someone who only cares about their unfounded personal opinions, instead of factually formed ones. That's pushing aside logic and reality, and that's something I don't have a high tolerance level for. "Oh and just to point out, your debating skills seem to have some room for improvement as well, especially in issues you find completely idiotic. If you find them that far below your overall intelligence why do you find the need to answer them? And in such a Yeah? Well youre stupid way of going about the whole issue. For example I made a plain statement about how I feel, and yes after reading it back over it did seem a bit dumb, but your big elaborate defense was concluded by making this completely absurd statement: For all I care, you can go have little bastard babies with Dark Horse's editor, and spawn future Bush voters with doubly ignorant bloodlines! Only, from now on, try to keep your unfounded personal opinions out of a factual argument First off I fail to find anything that makes any utter sense directed back to the paragraph you quoted on. Nonetheless right afterward you stated we should keep all personal opinions out of the argument . Well excuse me, but how was the sentence place before NOT a personal opinion nor was it any fact. Perhaps this is much like that saying, the Mule calling the donkey an ass. (no Im not calling anyone an ass its just how the saying goes)" First, everything in life has "room for improvement", and my debating skills are no exception. Second, why do I feel the need to correct fallacies in posts? Well, why did Socrates like to break a apart and examine a single word for the purpose of finding its flaws in order to turn it against its initial user? Figure that out, you've got the answer(s) to your question. Hint: It's for the same reason I have a problem with the way DH is doing the Hellsing manga ;). Second, as to the statement you're attempting to 'call me out' on, it seems you're the third person to take my textual humor literally. In your case, however, because of your age, it's understandable. You're too young to vote, and therefor probably wouldn't know much, or care about Bush's stupidity, right? You may, but I wouldn't think a 15yo would, since I wouldn't have at 15 :D. Anyway, the whole comment: "For all I care, you can go have little bastard babies with Dark Horse's editor, and spawn future Bush voters with doubly ignorant bloodlines! Only, from now on, try to keep your unfounded personal opinions out of a factual argument, was meant to be a wisecrack, and an insult to your "opinionative" feelings toward Dark Horse (ie - implying that you're "in love" with their version), but in no way was it an opinion that correlated back to/influenced the 'topic at hand' like yours did - that being accents in the DH version of the Hellsing manga. When I said leave "unfounded personal opinions" out of "factual arguments", I meant the opinions that pertained to the actual TOPIC being discussed, for example, when you said: "being an unhealthily obsessed fan girl to Anderson, I LOVE his accent". Just because you "love" his accent, it doesn't make it correct for DH to have put it in the manga, does it? Do you have any fact to back up his fake accent? See what I'm getting at here? I wasn't referring to opinions of those posting about another 'poster', or the stupid 'people' involved that ruined the manga's original format (DH ^_^). You can feel free to add as many opinion influenced comments/insults about ME as you'd like, I can take it :). Only, don't base your arguments about Anderson's, or other's accents on unfounded opinions. My opinions about Anderson's accent, aren't based on personal opinion, but factual reasoning/research/reality. My opinions on the stupidity of Dark Horse were formed AFTER they picked up on the mistake of the anime, and those opinions on the inconsistency of his accent in the anime were formed on reasearch/fact/words from Hirano's own mouth. That clarify it enough for you? But the phrase you pointed out was never really an opinion in the first place, just an insult laced with humor. I guess you didn't get it, though :\. P.S. - It's okay, you can call me an ass if you want, that sort of opinion is allowed - even though your comment behind it doesn't hold water anymore, you can still call me an ass ^_^. "On that note, Phin, you surprise me, immensely . but in just the same way you disappoint me. Hmm so lets even the playing field. Ill check out what I can from the few scraps of scanlations I find and you stop blowing up with issues that make have no direct connection to the thing your responding to. K?" Likewise, Zydie. I'll try to tone down the level of humor in my posts for you, if you first start to learn to correctly comprehend my posts textual sense of humor. Er, woops, guess that would qualify as humorous, wouldn't it? Sorry, it's self-perpetuating :D. And if you need the scanlations, I'd be happy to provide them for you. But uh, didn't I mention that some are available on the Shine site in my last post? I distinctly remember saying something like that. Maybe I'm wrong. Pip... "You are in fact 99.8% wrong. Scotland is a very religiously volatile nation, just as Northern Ireland, except not as publicly. Spend a just one in Glasgow and you'll feel the dangerous tension here. Catholics and Protestants are at each others throats here ALL THE TIME. The sectarian violence and hatred is disgusting. Regarding Anderson's reaction to the situation in Northern Ireland, that goes back to before the Republic of Ireland was formed and the isle as a whole was under Westminster rule. To cut a long story short, when Irish independence was fought for, it was for the whole of Ireland and giving up the north was seen by many as treachery. It was this mentality, which lead to the assassination of Michael Collins (the famous Irish Republican and IRA member who negotiated the treaty with England). Such feeling was not unique to the Irish, however, as there is a lot of blood between the Scots and the Irish." Well, it seems you're now the fourth person to take my humorous/exaggerated implications out of their intended context by viewing them as literal. No big deal, I just figured the whole 99.(something)% might have been a good indicator. Anyway, I realize its not EXACTLY 99.8% Protestant. It's closer to something like 45% Protestant, 14% Catholic, 20-something atheist/no denomination. But regardless, the point I was trying to get accross is that your country is MAJORITY Protestant, and minority Roman Catholic. What's your National Church again? The Kirk? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a Presbyterian/Protestant church? Thought so. Also, I know well the history of the bad blood between N.Ireland/Britain, the formation of the IRA (also its more recent splinter factions), and "The Troubles" period. In fact, it was the subject of a highschool paper I did many years go. My family's lineage being half Catholic Irish, half Protestant Scottish, I felt it to be an important subject in relation to my Celtic heritage. My parents frequently traveled to Europe/UK/Ireland in my youth, and took me with them most times they went. Thus, I've been to not only Glasgow for "one day", but Edinburgh, Aberdeen, and Inverness as well (we stayed in one other city I believe, I just can't recall the name at the moment :)). In addition, I've been to not only Dublin, but Antrim/Belfast, and other counties/cities of Northern Ireland/Ireland. First, let me say that in my WHOLE experience abroad, be it in N. Ireland or Scotland, the 'tension level' I felt while there was never near that of which I feel living at home in the states (not religion-oriented, just in general). In fact, when I was in both Ireland and Scotland, I felt more safe than I ever had living here. Second, I'll say I saw no apparent signs of religious volatility anywhere I stayed in Scotland... including Glasgow. Conversely, I'll say I didn't see 'much' during my stays in N. Ireland either, but I did see some - which is more than the 'none' I saw in Scotland. You claim its very prevalent, but wouldn't I have at least seen SOMETHING the whole time I was there to support that it was indeed NEAR as problematic a situation as it is in N. Ireland? I mean, that seemed to be just what you were trying to insinuate in your first post. I do know that the West-Central belt area of Glasgow has had a history of sectarian problems/biases between Catholics and Protestants (though I witnessed nothing), but the latest my parents heard from their friends in Glasgow, it's steadily declining. They also say it's nothing close to what it once was. And the other point is, it's really only that one 'little' section of Glasgow that's been highly 'religiously volatile'. How can you even attempt to compare the scale of Scotland's relatively isolated religious volatility, to the broad nature of Northern Ireland's. Remember the Unionists & the Nationalists? Ring a bell? Aside from the general nature of the conflict (that being Catholics vs. Protestants), there's no comparison whatsoever... period. Saying anything to the contrary is an absolute falsehood. "I know Anderson Highland accent was a pure dub invention (when I first read manga scanlations I always imagined him to be Italian in my head) but the DH manga is designed to tie-in with the NA dub. As they are translating into English, they have the majority of their audience will not have seen the original anime (also they always assume anime first, manga afterwards which is completely backwards)." You're one of the few Hellsing fans I've ever heard admit that fact. I've met only four other people (aside from myself) who knew that, and they'd all read the article with Hirano's interview. I'm guessing that's how knew such is the case? I'll say it says a lot about you as a fan of Hellsing, especially if you managed to locate that article :P. I know it's meant to be a continuation of Pioneers mistake, but that's just a stupid continuation of fabrication, and inconsistent with Hirano's dialogue. You said something about how most watchers of the anime haven't seen the original (I assume you're talking about the Japanese VA version, right?), but that's not true at all. If they've seen it on DVD (which most have), they have the choice of either Japanese with subtitles, or the English dub right in main menu. And most of the frequent anime watchers I know in both real life and online, all like to watch both versions consecutively, so that they can determine which is the better of the two. Plus, if they've seen it online, it's either the original DiVX versions (which are ONLY Japanese with subs.), or the Dual Stream .OGM versions, which has both options available like the DVD. That's why I think the assumption that past anime viewers have 'only' seen the English dub, is erroneous. "Regarding the issue of "Sir" and "Dame", the titles are equivocal, but they are actually different honours. A dame is not a knight, but it is the equivalent rank of a knight. Integra, however, is a knight and so (despite there being no precedent) "Sir" is in fact the correct title. " That's exactly right. "Just found something interesting to add to the debate on Integra's title of Sir. As of early next year, the Gender Recognition Act will be implemented in the UK (and about time too!) which will allow a transgender folk to have their legal gender changed to match their true gender. The act affects roles such as parentage, marriage and so on, but also peerage. Here's what it says in that section. 16 Peerages etc. The fact that a person's gender has become the acquired gender under this Act- (a) does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour, So, as of next year will be able to have (legally) female knight and (legally) male dames running around the place. This might not apply to Integra (or does it? *raises eyebrow suggestively* [j/k]) but its interesting none the less. " Well I must say, that's certainly fascinating. Maybe Hirano can peer into the future ^_^? Since you're in the UK, you get news like that first hand. I probably would've never found out about it had you not mentioned it on here, so thanks a lot for sharing that. Male dames, eh o_O? I can see it now. Which brings me to the exotic, and hopefully going extinct in the near future, Angel_Fish... "Why yes, Phineas, I did do an online search, simply because I was not going to spent thirty minutes transcribing the words of my b/f's Swedish stepfather." Uhhh, yea... whatever you say. "The origins of a surname do not mean it cannot appear in other countries. (Do you really believe the Normans and Saxons didn't influence each other's culture at all?)" Did I say that the Normans didn't influence the Saxons?! NO, I didn't. This isn't about the Normans or the Saxons, this is about the surname "Anderson". I said the common "Anderson" surname that appears in Scotland, is of Gaelic/Celtic/Highland-Scot derivative, not the Nordic/Germanic/Norman/Saxon version that your "about search" turned up. Which in combination with the "Scottish" mathematician Alexander Anderson, is what influenced Pioneer, and subsequently Dark Whores to make up his accent/origin as "Scottish". "In all truth, you've spent quite a bit of time coming up with these arguments, haven't you? I applaud your *ahem* dedication to a cause, but don't you think your time could be better applied to something more...constructive? Perhaps writing a paper on the subject and attempting to get it published would occupy you sufficiently. As for your 'kids' comment, Zahmira isn't the only one on here over 20, and I agree with her fan classification. It is wholly possible to enjoy something, be it literature, music or anime/manga without becoming completely obsessed by it. Perfectionism is a wonderful thing in properly used doses. You're absolutely right in that Erin is extremely reasonable and highly respectful of everyone's opinion. She's one of the individuals I would enjoy discussing a number of topics with. I have no doubt you're feeling very self-satisfied, Phineas. You're someone I would love to meet in chat rooms. :D I'm sure we'd have fun rending each other asunder." Enjoying something is one thing, and yes, it is very possible. But read the definition of "fan", and you'll see that it's a term that doesn't apply to your kind. You may like Hellsing, but you're no Hellsing "fan". Also, just because I have the capability, and like to support my arguments with detailed facts/intelligent reasoning as opposed to writing one big, messy mix of discombobulated sentences like Ive seen you do in every post (that and mention your *ahem* boyfriend), doesnt mean youre any different than me in this battle of words. Youre still taking the time out of your busy schedule to look at, and thoroughly read the posts I write, arent you? Youre still taking the time to reply to them, right? So, youre just as involved in this discussion as I. Trying to downplay that fact via my belittlement through a few quips like In all truth, you've spent quite a bit of time coming up with these arguments, haven't you? I applaud your *ahem* dedication to a cause, but don't you think your time could be better applied to something more...constructive?, because I like to fully support what I say (unlike you), is almost juvenile. Are you sure youre over 20? I ask, because you tend to form your arguments like you're about 7. If you are, might I suggest putting more effort into constructing your arguments, instead of insults? If you can, that is. Until then, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and put you mentally at about 13. Deal? Deal. Truthfully, I havent spent much time on my prior argumentative compositions at all. I did them all in a short period of time. Usually a few hours one night (or day like this morning, depending on when I have available free time), and typically between writing a due paper for school, checking email, etc. If youve taken notice, I dont post replies on here very frequently. The reason for this is because of school, and thus, have very little time to do this between my studies/work - partially so I can get the masses of people whove posted to me, replied to at once. I have a life, along with a *ahem* girlfriend whom I currently live with - only I don't feel the need to mention it in every single post I submit. In that life, of the many things I thoroughly enjoy daily, anime/manga/Japanese culture are at the tops. My favorite aspect of two of those three things, is - you guessed it - Hellsing. You may like to simply watch an anime, or read a manga, and then take all the pretty drawings and nifty characters at face value. I, on the other hand, dont - I see more than just that in those works. I like to logically and comprehensively explore the mind-set of not just the creator, but the intricacies of the characters they create within their stories. I like to analyze every aspect of that story and when possible, match pieces of it to historical/factual truths to better get a fact-based grasp on where those characters are coming from. I do this for the sole purpose of truly understanding the content of what Im reading, and not just assuming, or accepting what some less than intelligent editor(s) give me to be true. You may not like to do, or be able to do the same thing yourself, but its hardly cause for trying to minimize my own ability to do so in order to make yourself look like the better all around person. But, in reply to your little (and almost well done) attempt at insult through posing it as a rhetorical question, yes I do... and yes, it is. My time is well spent on things much more important than this almost every day. However, in what spare time I can muster, I do definitely enjoy intensely discussing things on forums/polls/whatever(s) that are related to stuff that I like. Go figure, huh? Why would I feel self-satisfied about one-upping someone like you, Angel? There's not much skill involved in that, thus no self-satisfaction. However, the feeling is mutual. Maybe you can tell me where you chat, and I'll be sure to set aside a special date to stop by one day, just for you :). Last but not least, otherhawk... I didn't say that immigrants "always" lose their accents, I said that the accents of the majority of immigrants (at least the ones Ive known) who leave their country for extended periods of time, typically do fade considerably, if not completely. I never used the word "always", however. To say that, would be unrealistic. But, in the case of Millennium, and their situation, it's very feasible. I also didn't say the purpose of them masking their accent, was only to "hide". That would definitely be a big factor, but not the only one. If youll recall, I mentioned their connections worldwide. In order to attain loyal allies, said allies have to have something to believe in, right? They have to believe in the superiority of those they're joining forces with, don't they? Otherwise, whats the point? Why join someone you dont believe in? Which is why when the Major, or one of his trusted proxies communicate with all of those people throughout the world in attempts at recruitment, they would probably want to project intellectual superiority, dont you think? Why join forces with a dumb person? When he speaks with little to no noticeable accent in a person's native tongue, thats exactly what he does. He projects to those potential allied forces just how brilliant he is, which further supports the claimed brilliance of his plan. That's how I look at it. As far as the Northern Ireland/Scotland issue goes, read my post to Pip. Phin P.S. - Apologies in advance for any rambling, or grammatical errors. It's early ^_^. |
| Posted By: Phineas Posted On: Nov 13, 2004 Views: 1577 | Cont pt. 1... "Well, since you managed to not insult me in your last post, I'm actually going to put some time into this." I appreciate that, thanks. I intend to do the same in return ;). "Let's not think of this as clashing. I'm up for a healthy, insult-free debate, if you are." Hrmm... *ponders* ... .. . nope, I'd still prefer to think of it as a clash. Which is, more or less, what a debate is anyway ^_^. "Alright, fair enough. I am 22 years old. I am also a 4th year Computer Science major. If there is one thing most people know about C.S. majors, it's that we don't tend to be English majors as well. I can't write an essay. I have trouble putting my arguments into coherent English sentences. So, my arguments tend to lack a certain sophistication. I am going to try my best here." Nice, if that's truly your real age, I'm only two years ahead of you... suddenly I don't feel so old on this board anymore :D. Computer Science, huh? Interesting choice. I'm working on my MBA at the moment. I also tend to have the same problem as you when in comes to composition of arguments, only I try my best to set a decent amount of factual foundation in my words. That's really the only thing I was ever critical of you in (other than the joking stab at your age). Your previous arguments seemed to always lack the general/factual foundation they needed. "I am aware of how things get translated and then edited. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point was that DH isn't going to spend the time and money to print a new edition of Hellsing right now." Huh? I never specifically said they had to "print a new edition", did I? If so, show me where, since I can't recall saying something I don't personally believe. What I did say was that Dark Whores needed to stop perpetuating the same 'spawned from artistic stupidity' mistakes, and correct it ASAP (meaning, before their next release - which would be very, very easy). Since I'm a realist, I realize they wouldn't go back and spend the 'unnecessary' money to "print a new edition of Hellsing", and I never expected any such thing. But if those logical Hellsing fans actually gave a ****, and all made the effort to complain about their distaste for what they're doing to the manga (such as, completely ruining it), it might get done in future installments. "I am going to assume that the percentage of people who refuse to buy the DH manga, due to poor quality, is small. So DH wouldn't actually make a whole lot more money if they did completely redo the whole Hellsing manga. You don't fix something that isn't broken. And as far as DH is concerned, manga sales are not broken, yet. Maybe a few years from now when the second editions come out, there will be a few changes. But don't expect miracles." I never expect miracles, and in fact, I never expect anything - aside from death. How can you expect miracles in a world where someone like Bush is elected C-i-C of a country twice? But, you want to know who the majority of 'typical buyers' of Hellsing's English release are? I'll tell you. They're either 1.) Uneducated/'young' general manga/Hellsing fans who don't realize there's a better alternative out there (scanlations), nor care since their parents are giving them the money, and they'll take what they can get (the kiddies that is); 2.) Horror/vampiric-genre fans who don't normally read comics/manga at all, but happened to see it on the shelves, and subsequently picked it up because it fit their interests; or 3.) General comic readers. Meaning your garden variety DC/McFarlane readers who aren't 'usually' into manga either, but happened to see the 'outside the box' format of Hellsing in relation to your average manga, took a chance, bought it, and then got into it. Regardless, you're talking about buyers who aren't very educated in the series (if at all), and/or don't have any reason to care about its accuracy compared to the original. That's not to say there aren't semi-educated 'adult' Hellsing fans buying it (meaning they've seen the anime), but a good majority of them aren't educated to the point of being able to recognize the inherent wrongdoing in its translation, and on top of that, also aren't aware of the existence of the scanlations. The ones that do realize the wrongdoing as well as the existence of the scanlations, yet still support Dark Horse by buying their crap instead of the tankoubons, should be drawn & quartered. Nevertheless, you have a LOT of factors that come into play when you speak of 'English buyers' who frequent the graphic novel sections of their local Borders (For those that don't have them, Borders is a big bookstore chain here in the US). With that said, I'll say that even with the 'in-the-know' Hellsing fans bitching to Dark Horse about the **** job they're doing on their editing & not buying their products until they change, given the nature of their typical buyers, it may prove fruitless. But how do you know unless you try? Just presuming something, and then giving up over those presumptions will never get anything done. However slim, there's a chance that Dark Horse may see that the percentage of the 'knowledgeable' Hellsing fans complaining, though relatively small, will still cost them considerable profit in the long run; take that factor into consideration, combine it with the average ignorance of their normal buyers, and change it out of principle. That principle being that the other fans won't really know the difference, or care either way, so why not? There could be tons of reasons. Maybe the percentage of Hellsing fans who feel the same way as I do, isn't so small after all? But unless those that do care, do their part via complaints of some kind, we'll never know. I know nothing will ever even 'start' to be taken into consideration on the DH end, without a catalyst. You're bright enough to know what that catalyst is, so I won't elaborate anymore. "You don't fix something that isn't broken. And as far as DH is concerned, manga sales are not broken, yet." That's very true, however it could be, at the very least, 'cracked on the surface' should those 'intelligent' fans mentioned previously, cease in buying any of DH's products in the future. So eventually, their sales could noticeably suffer. As you correctly said, "yet". "I think that "true fan" isn't the best term here. It suggests that there are only two types of "fans": true and false. But, I'll come back to this in a moment." In my mind, it's the 'only' suitable term for what I consider a Hellsing "fan" with an IQ exceeding 100. And yes, that's exactly what I'm suggesting. "You say that the DH manga goes against Hirano. Has he ever said that he disliked the English version? I know that it was said that he never wrote Anderson as Scottish, but was he actually against the idea? It's not going against him if he doesn't oppose the idea. (I honestly don't know his view on this, I was hoping you, or someone, could fill me in here)." No, he hasn't said he disliked nor 'liked' the English version of the manga, if that's what you're asking. But to my knowledge (and I frequently check a lot of different & credible anime/manga sites - both Japanese and American), he also hasn't been interviewed about the subject since the first English manga's release. In all likelihood, he probably doesn't even know they're doing it that way, since once a company buys the rights to a mangaka's work, it's out of the original artist's hands as to how said company translates it (which is a big part of the problem). In addition, the same article/interview in which he cited the English anime making Anderson's accent Scottish as going against they way he wrote it, was long before the manga ever got licensed here. Yes, he DID mention he disliked them making up Anderson's Scottish accent in the anime during those interviews (if that's what you meant :P). With that, it's rather easy to come to a logical summation of his feelings on the English manga without 'publicly' knowing them - which is why I assume you were curious. If he didn't like them making up Anderson as Scottish in the anime because he didn't originally create him that way in the 'manga', why would he now approve of Dark Horse doing the exact same thing in their own version of his manga? If anything, he'd probably feel more strongly about them altering the manga than he did the anime, as the manga is his direct work and not a derivation of it like the anime was. It would be the same for both Millennium's accents, and Integra's slang. If he didn't write their speech like that in the original manga's dialogue (which I've already told you he didn't), why would he approve of something that goes against what he wrote? That wouldn't make much sense, since he disapproved of what they did in the Pioneer anime on the same basis. So, with that in mind, it basically dismisses one of the final things you said: "It's not going against him if he doesn't oppose the idea.", as invalid. Not that you meant to state falsehoods, since you didn't know the specifics of what he said at the time - I'm just elaborating on it. Just because he hasn't publicly opposed, nor publicly supported it, doesn't mean he wouldn't have a stance if he did (or knew about it). You have to logically make assumptions through his past stances on related issues, about how he'd react should he publicly announce how he felt when questioned. As we know through that one interview, as I've said, his past stances on such issues have only been 'negative'. More specifically, negative in disapproval of the whole 'Anderson being made Scottish' issue within the anime, which is indirectly related to Millennium's accents & Integra's slang through being directly related to his dislike of them making up accents. In conclusion, knowing that, I'd think it's fairly safe to assume that he would wholeheartedly feel the same way - if not more passionately - about someone doing the same thing to his own manga. Therefor, I think I can rightly say with a fair degree of accuracy, that from what factual information I have about his feelings on related matters, it does indeed oppose him/his work when DH adds ANY accents to what was originally an unaccented dialogue. "If disagreeing with Hirano on issues of Hellsing makes you anti-Hellsing, then logically a true Hellsing fan will hate the anime. It's my understanding that Hirano didn't like how the anime turned out. (I may be wrong on this as well. I have not heard it directly from him). Can one really be a fan of something if they hate it? Or better: can one really be a fan of it if they hate certain parts of it?" How do you figure that? That was never my understanding at all. Hirano was still involved with the project through direct consultation with Gonzo/Toshiharu Murata (the lead animator for the redesign of characters in the anime) for the anime's making, and was still directly involved in casting the voice actors he thought best fit his characters. Which is why I can't see him completely disliking the anime, when he played a part (however small it may have been) in its creation. Plus, I'd never heard, or read anything of the sort. If you can link me to some proof, either in Japanese or English, I'd be much more inclined to believe it. I would also be more motivated research into the validity of it. Until then, without further proof, I have to chalk it up to the 'Hellsing rumor column'. "Yes, I do think that the manga was better than the anime, but I still enjoyed the anime. Which means that I enjoyed something that Hirano did not." Yes, I agree the manga is much better than its animated counterpart, and I too still enjoyed the anime (well, the Japanese version that is ;) - Nakata & Nozawa were perfect in their parts, along with the rest of the original cast). Though, I think it could've done without Incognito, and Helena. I think if they had stuck to the manga's original formula, it could've been even better. I won't even touch on your last sentence, since I consider it null and void until I get more info on what you were referring to. "Now, back to the term "true fan". I think there are many types of fans out there. More than two. Some are casual fans, some are really into it, some want it to be perfect in every possible way, and some probably fit into many other categories. I think it's evident that we are two different types of fans. I am willing to accept the DH translation, with all its flaws, because I know that I can access better material elsewhere. I can read the scanlations, I can go buy the YK tankubon. I am satisfied with that. Just because I don't feel a strong urge to "send not bomb marked packages with C4 & nails inside it" to DH, doesn't mean that I like Hellsing any less. I would be happy if they made some changes in second editons of Hellsing, but you can't make everyone happy." Number one, when I say "true fan", I'm speaking of "fans" who are intelligent enough to comprehend the series in full, and as a result, spot & have a problem with the obvious inconsistencies in something a like 'a poorly done editing job'. I think there are many different subtle levels of varied types of people, of all ages and ethnicities, who like Hellsing/Hirano in some form. But, that still doesn't make them Hellsing "fans" in my opinion. Since we've taken to quoting definitions on here, I suppose it only appropriate to give Merriam-Webster's definition of "fan": 1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) 2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) Now, people who like Hellsing/Hirano in a merely 'casual' way, would hardly fit the category of an "enthusiastic devotee". Thus, by those standards/definitions, someone 'casually' interested in something is no "fan". For 'random' example, someone who likes the way Hirano draws, but not the actual content of what he draws/writes in Hellsing, is not a "fan". They may appreciate his skill, but don't appreciate all the other aspects that comprise Hellsing as a whole. Juxtaposed to that in comparison, is someone who likes the content of Hellsing, but prefers the non-original, non-Hirano DH dialogue to Hirano's own. They like the visual content/story, but don't like its supporting dialogue. The point is they still don't like the full embodiment of everything that's Hellsing, and that's precisely why they're no "fan" either. It's why I dub them accordingly. Also, when you speak on someone who's "really" into something (ie - an actual fan), why would they be so dedicated to something, and yet at the same time not want it to be as close to its original format as possible (or "as perfect as possible" like you said - which I assume was in reference to me)? The two 'types' seem to coincide more than they disagree in my opinion, so I can't see why you'd separate them. If someone is "really" devoted to the entirety of a series and its artist, I'd think they'd 'normally' want its/their original intentions left completely intact so they could view it through the eyes of its original creator & not the American editor, wouldn't you? With the Dark Horse versions, people don't have that luxory. They have an editors own artistic view forced upon them, not Hirano's. You say you're willing to accept that fact, yet call yourself a fan? You have a lot of gall. How can you be a purist ("fan") in one sense, but say contaminating that purity is no big deal? What a contradiction. It also seems (unbelievably) that you're saying you SUPPORT that fact by continuing to buy/support the horrid DH relases of Hellsing, even when you know you have the alternate options of supporting Hirano through buying the YK tankoubons and reading the scanlations - which makes it even worse (sorry if I took it wrong). But just because you yourself have knowledge of & access to alternatives, doesn't mean others that are newly interested in the Hellsing manga (more potential fans that are going to be introduced to the series via the DH editor's ignorance), have those same options at their disposal. They may not even have access to the internet. Supporting what you support (if you in fact support it), means you're not only supporting stupidity (Dark Horse), but the spread of incorrect ideas about the same series you assert being a fan of, to new/future fans. That's a "fan"? "Just because I don't feel a strong urge to "send not bomb marked packages with C4 & nails inside it" to DH, doesn't mean that I like Hellsing any less. I would be happy if they made some changes in second editons of Hellsing, but you can't make everyone happy." Obviously you're one of many who hasn't caught on to my sarcastic humor as of yet, huh? Did you not notice the little "Iscariot" reference there, fan? It was a ****ing joke, Jesus! That part aside, the other methods of complaint that I stated with it, were proclaimed in all seriousness. And the fact that you're so nonchalant about doing a simple thing like writing a complaint to DH for something you claim we're in general agreement on, is what makes me seriously question how much of a "fan" of Hellsing you really are. It's not a question of making "everyone happy", it's a question of giving the readers what they deserve, untainted with crap. So, are we two different types of fans? Well, from what I've seen, I can't consider you a "fan" at this point. You have knowledge of Hellsing, that's blatant. But I've already explained how that alone doesn't make you a "fan", when it's followed by lack of devotion/caring. I certainly don't question your 'enthrallment' with the Hellsing anime/manga series. However, from what I've read, I think your dedication as a self-professed "fan" is well misplaced, and filled with contradicting conceptualizations. "I think we can all agree that the DH Hellsing manga could use some improvement, small or large. But we don't agree on what needs changing and what should remain the same. Even if DH decided to completly re-edit the manga because of reader complaints, what do they change? Get rid of the accents? Or improve them? Lose the British slang? Hellsing does take place in England, so some slang is expected. So remove the slang for certain characters" The editing in DH's version of Hellsing could use more than just "some improvement", it needs a complete revision. I think I've been fairly clear on my position about it throughout these debates, but if not, I'll state them now for the record. If people "don't" agree, then it's out of personal opinion that has no place in an argument of this nature, rather than fact-based reasoning - which all of my thoughts on the matter are based on. 1.) They should remove ALL of Anderson's nearly incoherent brogue accent from the text. It simply doesn't fit the character, and it detracts from his true dialogue in the original version, which in turn effects the entire perception of his character - and was an outright fabrication by Pioneer to begin with. 2.) They should remove ALL of Millennium's horrid German accents (especially that of the Major & Doc), it doesn't match the original dialogue by Hirano either, and also detracts from building the character's personality - it's also very unrealistic, and I've explained how in my prior post. 3.) Neither Integra, Walter, nor any of the other upper-crust Brits that appear in the manga should use ANY "slang". It doesn't fit the class, and it doesn't become the characters. Ceres is a different story, since we don't really know her background, or her Father's standing. If he was a high ranking official, she'd be grouped with Integra & Walter, and use no "slang". However, if she grew up in more common surroundings, her father certainly spoke as such, and would probably use some slang. In my opinion, however, I think if you don't know, you should leave it alone and use plain English. As I said in my last post, stick to how Hirano wrote it, and let the readers mentally add it in themselves. 4.) All the other small 'side characters' we don't have enough info on either, so I think their dialogue should be left alone too. Unless of course it's glaring, like a British prostitute :P. "Let's say that I also write to DH and tell them what I think is wrong with their manga. But we have different opinions on what needs to be changed. If they change the manga to satisfy my complaint, you might be even more disappointed in it. In the end, DH could make the manga even worse." It doesn't really matter, just as long as THEY KNOW you're dissatisfied with the way they're handling things. Getting the general point across about the accents being out of place and ruining the characters dialogue, the few small details aside, is good enough. Obviously there are a lot of blatant logical fallacies that you can't deny, and have to agree on. Such as, Anderson being continued as Scottish from the anime, when he never was in the first place. Just say or do SOMETHING as a supposed "fan" of the series, because ANY change in the ****ty way they're doing the manga now, is an improvement. There's nothing they could add, that could make it any worse than it already is - knock on wood. "Is the reason I have yet to write to them a cop-out? Not in my opinion. Cop-out: A failure to fulfill a commitment or responsibility or to face a difficulty squarely. (dictionary.com) Maybe if it was my work being horribly mutilated I would take some action. My voice might actually carry some weight that way as well. But I don't feel any responsibility as a fan to complain to DH. But, of course, this is just my opinion. If you think that I am a horrible excuse for a fan for thinking this, so be it. That's fine by me. We just have different ideas about what a fan is, and what their responsibilities are, as such." Well, it is in mine. If that's really how you feel, then you're right, I do think that's what you are. Actually, I don't even think you qualify as a fan. You're calling yourself a fan, but when the series your purporting to be a fan of comes under the influence of something that alters it almost to the point of becoming another story, you stand in nonconfrontation silence, basically saying: "whatever, let it happen, I don't mind, la-dee-da". It's no big deal that the series you're a fan of is being utterly misconstrued? If that's a not a big deal to a "fan", and worth the effort of a written complaint, what is?! I mean if you took a fraction of the time you spent writing your response to me, and used it to instead write a complaint to Dark Horse, it would've already been done. If you insist that you're a "fan", which is what you've been doing, then by its definition you're devoted to Hellsing. Merriam-Webster's definition of devotion is: "the fact or state of being ardently dedicated and loyal." Shall we delve even deeper? Ardent, is basically a synonym for being zealous/impassioned about something. Where's the zealous nature in being lackadaisical like you are about Hellsing? If you're an acutal fan, shouldn't you be "impassioned" to take responsibility, and take action to try and correct the wrongs perpetrated against the series you're a fan of? Once again, you contradict yourself, and your standing as a "fan". Continued on second page... |
| Posted By: Phineas Posted On: Nov 13, 2004 Views: 1438 | Hrmmm... You all seem to be done posting to me, so I'll start on my next retort. |
| Posted By: Kiro Posted On: Nov 12, 2004 Views: 1447 | thanks Zahmira cool and i didn't think 'git' was slang.....thanks. |
| Posted By: Zahmira Posted On: Nov 11, 2004 Views: 1449 | To Kiro Hellsing takes place in 1999 as far as I know. I can't remember where I read that though. As for slang used by Integra, "You Git" in volume 4. (thanks for that one Erin) |
| Posted By: Kiro Posted On: Nov 11, 2004 Views: 1453 | oh yea and... Um...continueing my last comment how does what some of Sir Integra go as Slang? |
| Posted By: Kiro Posted On: Nov 11, 2004 Views: 1437 | cool As to Pips comment about Sir integra's title as Sir and so on just to say i don't thnk it'll affect the manga in any way being as how the way its printed here is how it was origanally in Japan i don't think Kohta Hirano would appreate it if it was published diffrently in the U.S.A and such. I also doubt it would affect the Hellsing World because it never states what year the manga takes place in and i don't. It could be in the future or the past either way .....it doesn't state it. Alsoi as to the whole big argfument on the accent thing What deos it really matter? I don;t think they'll change the whole dialuge or anything and i don't thikn they need to. Its no real big deal or nothin'. |
| Posted By: Mad King Christopher Posted On: Nov 10, 2004 Views: 1460 | don't rightly know Frankly, I have never even seen the manga, of either american, or Japanese oragin, but I can't see Sir Integra using SLANG. Except in a purely sardonic, and/or condecending way. |
| Posted By: Pip Posted On: Nov 10, 2004 Views: 1462 | Gender and Titles Just found something interesting to add to the debate on Integra's title of Sir. As of early next year, the Gender Recognition Act will be implemented in the UK (and about time too!) which will allow a transgender folk to have their legal gender changed to match their true gender. The act affects roles such as parentage, marriage and so on, but also peerage. Here's what it says in that section. 16 Peerages etc. The fact that a person's gender has become the acquired gender under this Act- (a) does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour, So, as of next year will be able to have (legally) female knight and (legally) male dames running around the place. This might not apply to Integra (or does it? *raises eyebrow suggestively* [j/k]) but its interesting none the less. |
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