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| Posted By: dani Posted On: Mar 8, 2005 Views: 1423 | bihar se hai hindustan &viceversa I agree with the view of Prabhat and Pradeep,I understant that they all are going thru the pangs of chaos that is occuring in the state.Even when we all can see that President rule is only a short time remedy.The system set by Laloo and others are so deeply rooted that only a leader (like lord vishnu or durga)can uproot them.I'm very pessimistic about the state of affairs in bihar,but I hope that soon a leader will come up to turn the odds towards making a civil govrenment,with proper democratic institutions-schools,colleges,primary healthcare centers,civil police,home security,water systems,electricity,roads and communication,judicial system and all these will be answerable not to the bosses at the top but the people who are below them. |
| Posted By: dani Posted On: Mar 8, 2005 Views: 1357 | bihar se hai hindustan &viceversa we all are talking here of civil rights.But we are forgetting that we dont have any democratic instututions left around in the state where we can go fighting for our civil rights.We all have to realise this and only once we all come to a consensus on this issue only then we can go any further. |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1432 | Pradeep Bhaiya I was just giving an example to illustrate the importance of "right to information" to achieve "downward accountability". It can be implemented in the area of "Law and Order". You may like to know 1) How many police for how many citizen ? 2) How many FIRs and what was the action in each FIR? 3)For how log, the current "Daroga babu" posted here? 4) What has the SP written to his superiors about the Daroga for his non-performance ? And what action is being taken ? 5) How is police station planning to do patroling in your area ? 6) How much salary they receive ? 7) How much time/resource they are spending to protect/ escort various VIPs ? 8) Why did the arrest an innocent person ? Under what act ? Deamand for "right to information" as fundamenta right. Work for "downward accountability" Jai Bihar |
| Posted By: Pradeep Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1411 | Micromanagement and Macromanagement Micro and Macro-management of any state occur at different hierarchal level. An economist can describe or argue a lot about it, but what I will say is that what Prabhat babu has outlined is Micro-management. Micro-management is a good, in fact great, thing. But, what Bihar needs is a Macro-management. At this point of time I do not care how much money did DM distribute me when Darbhanga was fully flooded. My only concern is that I should be given the opportunity to live freely with whatever money I have hard earned. Someone (a robber or a politician) should not rob me of this money. This is my hard-earned money and I should be given the opportunity to invest or expense it as per my disposal. This security should be given a higher priority over the assistance of state government in the event of a natural calamity. |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1424 | Right to Information & accountability A school teacher is accountable to education SDO, NOT to his students. A DM is accountable to Commissioner and other higher official NOT to people of the Districts. And so on... This type of accountability is called "upward" accountability. A shop-keeper is accountable to his customers. This is called "downward" accountability. Obviously we prefer downward accountability. How to get this ? I feel solution is - Right to Information. Make it a fundamenta right. Example :- How many of us know that during flood relief work,- 1) how much of money was allocated to Darbhanga district? 2) Who was "accountant" of the fund? 3) How was it planned to spend ? 4) How many people were targeted for the benefits of relief work ? 5) How much fund remain un-spent ? etc.. If you go to Local MP/MLA/DM to get all the answers, the peon will show you the door. You might be thrown out. Or you will simply be refused . You don't have any right to know all these. Think over it. Jai Bihar. |
| Posted By: ravi Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1357 | To Rajeev bhaiya Hi Rajeev jee, Thanks for your response. You really have good knowledge of history (like movement in west Bengal etc). I would eb certainly delighted to know more information from you on different kind of movement happened in history which may give us some idea , thinking to to fight our current problems of Bihar. Regarding your following observation : The basic problem in Bihari society is the sense of fear and inferiority complex among the age old ruling class(upper caste).Even newly hardworking educated class are not ready to think beyond their religious/caste lines and this is the main hurdle in organising Bihari identity. I would like to re-quote the quotation 'When you find difficult to erase a line, draw a bigger line adjacent to it' (which was posted by Prabhat jee). I think by drawing a bigger line of progressive & constructive mindset for development will undermine the hatred of casteism and also when education & nationalistic fervour prevails , casteism & others will certainly vanish. I think sense of fear & inferiority complex is also widely prevailing among downtrodden & unprivileged classes of our society. Even after 50 years of independence , we are still fighting for basic things and we are deprived of basic amenities like primary education , health , sport etc. We certainly need to create positive environment of trust , peace and hope either through individual sacrifice or mass movement. However individual has to take initiative even a small one. Regarding individual initiative I like to re-quote an excerpt of my previous posting as follow : Individual has to take great initiative. Suppose , any individual living in a village wants to see things changed , then he has to take initiative in right direction like improving school of the village , trying to establish library for kids of the village, organize debate/discussion for the future development of village and if there is any political activist (member of any political party) lives in village then try to change his mindset and make him understand the need of development and make him do right things for society. Looking forward to you your expert view/comment on how to fight these problems. With Regards ravi |
| Posted By: Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1359 | Why PREM SHANKAR JHA is feeling awful? You can read here: http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20050314&fname=Column+Prem+ %28F%29&sid=1 Others are feeling excited that no1 can match the talent of Laloo including Haryana CM Hooda. |
| Posted By: ravi Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1351 | Prabhat bhaiya (behari nationalism) Hi Prabhat jee, Thanks for your response. Further continuing our discussion , I would like to say that we cant just stop thinking /doing about movement because some bad/inefficient leadership will come out of the movement. There are many examples where we saw exemplary & visionary leadership during movement /after movement like raja ram mohan rai, binowa vave , mahatma gandhee , bhagat singh , subhash Chandra bose , loknaik JP etc. I feel something should be done (movement , pressure group , watchdog , individual initiatives etc) and steps should be made in right direction to achieve the goal of dream Bihar where she will again attain its past glory and things will be on right track of development , prosperity & upliftment of every citizen (particularly huge population of unprivileged class of our society). When I refer the mass movement , I also dont want to become leader or politician and I dont see it as a tool to create a politician , though I see a fight against genuine cause & problems of our society like education , health , corruption etc. I want to see a mass movement which creates a sense of sacrifice , sense of urgency among masses & individuals and it can create a right environment of trust , hope & faith among general public such that people from different walks of life (different caste /religion/political affiliations/professions etc ) can trust each other and which can propagate a creative , progressive & constructive mindset among masses. I also want to see the movement as a tool of cleansing the present system (political , administration , judiciary , education etc) which will try to make the people (who are sitting at the helm of system) change their mindset and understand their responsibilities towards people. A watchdog group / pressure group/civil right groups from people(experiences citizens like academician , doctor , administrator , lawyer , professor , teacher etc) will be certainly effective to achieve this goal . I will try to find out if there is any such group working in Bihar at the moment. Prabaht jee , Whatever way , we certainly need to create a positive environment of trust , peace & hope. I also see a great urgency of bihari-nationalist and there is great need to make people educate & aware of their rights so that they can stand against any civic, basic problem and resolve them meticulously . I would like to see the movement begins at individual level. Each individual (who wants to see our Bihar shining & moving on path of wholistic development) need to pledge to think , behave and act in right direction and help other to do same. I also feel sad when I heard comment of Haryana CM. Thanking you, ravi |
| Posted By: Lalua hater Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1352 | Poor Lalua, back to charwaha vidyalye? It's great to see Lalua sulking around like a little girl who had her lollipop taken from her. That's what you get for being too greedy, for getting all you cartoon-like charwaha family members in ur party, for being a thief, a and a criminal. Now start begging; beg Sonia to put pressure on Paswan, beg Paswan to help you form the govt. Paswan must be loving every single minute of this, as am I, your faithful Lalua hater. |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1355 | Ravi Bhaiya I am NOT advocating a "mass movement". Remember, the present generation of politicians, including Laloo, are product of a "mass movement" of not so distant past. We just need to catch up with rest of India. I am talking about a pressure group of experienced people from all walks of life. who will act like a watchdog in the favour of public in general. Consider few things :- 1) When govt. (or politicians of ruling party) commit some wrong, we look towards politicians of opposition to raise voice, and it fast turn into a "game" enjoyed by media. All of us become a "tamashbeen" clapping for one or other. Like a match between Mohan Began and east Bengal. 2) Remember 1996 Bihar engineering admission scam. More than 90% got admission through wrong means BUT no political party raised voice. It came out only when 2 Bhagalpur Students filed a cse in High Court Patna. There are many such instances. 3) Honest and upright administrators feel the constant pressure of politicians and they don't get support from any quarter. Ultimately they are tarnsfered. 4) Media is only interested in creating sensation. Good work being done by many people don't get attention. 5) Punjab could get rid of terrorism without any mass movement. Bihar police fear naxals. 6) Places like Mumbai and Bangalore have very pro-active Civil Rights Group. Can't we have one in Bihar who can take up genuine issue with Govt. (without any fear of tranfer/suspend as they are not govt. employees) Now it is fast becoming a trend that people abuse Bihar. New haryana CM said thet he will not let turn Haryans into Bihar. Even our neighour Jharkhand is using the same language. I think it is hight time we created a sense of sub-nationalism. Jai Bihar |
| Posted By: Rajeev Mishra Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1094 | To Ravi Jee I am very happy to read your analysis and enthusiastic to know that some well articulated sane/rational voices started coming on this forum as well. In any society like Bihar only element of change can be young educated class and we have to shun our all prejudices based on caste/religion and move forward with the agenda of better change.The rennaissance Bengal took place becuase of the young western educated intelligentia started organising movement based on the real problems nad prospects.Although they all belong to Bhadrlok and land reform for example was against their immediate interest but they throughly come forward to rectify this error.With that state of mind and conviction the change was perceived in every asphere of their society.The basic problem in Bihari society is the sense of fear and inferiority complex among the age old ruling class(upper caste).Even newly hardworking educated class are not ready to think beyond their religious/caste lines and this is the main hurdle in organising Bihari identity. |
| Posted By: Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1079 | Bihar Times Why people visiting this site, get the impression that it is a paid site by Bada Chor Laloo, with his chara money? Secular Soren's first order after being sworn as CM by secular Governor was to ask govt machine (police officers) to vacate former CM's official residence. One concern for Bihar now is that will Gujrati muslims, who migrated to Bihar for secularism, starvation and criminals, go back to Gujrat. Will former Bihari muslims leave Gujrat and come back to non-secular Bihar. Bihar is #1 secular state. Jai laloo ji ke. |
| Posted By: ravi Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1073 | Prabhat jee (immigration & casteism issue) Hello Prabhat jee, I read your posting on these issues 'immigration & casteism in bihar'. I feel your expression & understandings are right. I really like the quotation 'When you find difficult to erase a line, draw a bigger line adjacent to it'. Certainly we need to draw a bigger line of progressive & constructive mindset for development which will undermine the hatred of casteism and also when education & nationalistic fervour prevails , casteism & others will certainly vanish. I also thank you for your response to my previous posting regarding 'mass movement' and I have noted your point. Please keep us informed with your findings , analysis and comments. regards ravi |
| Posted By: Prabhat Sinha Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1060 | Pappu Bhai Why are you interested in when is Laloo going to vacate home ? I am sure you are not going to occupy it. This will be done according to existing rule that out going CM gets time of 6 months. I guess when people like you raise voice against Laloo and co. it is more out of anti-Laloo rhetoric (for whatever reason) than love for Bihar ( and obviously it creates more supporters of Laloo). It is only a coincidence that anti-Laloo = Pro-Bihar I was asked by a person in Patna "Agar Laloo badhiya kaam karat to bhi aaplog usko gali dete to phit humlog Laloo ka kaam ke aadhar par kyo.n virodh kare" Jai Bihar |
| Posted By: Pappu Yadav Posted On: Mar 7, 2005 Views: 1058 | When will Laloo vacate the FREE house What is the law? Jai secular Bihar. |
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