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Posted By: Mephistophilis Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 982	sepulchrissima TO ALL: This is Devil May Care...this nick is a lot shorter so I will stick with it for a while. To sepulchrissima: I could kiss you! Thanks you so much! I have been trying to find words to say that very thing since I started posting. Thank you! thank you! thank you! That comic is fine. I have no problem with the comic. It is the button that is going to get Erin in trouble. I have no interest in that. ERIN: The point brought up by the last post is very valid. The fact that most of your donators are in fact minors does complicate things. While I am not sure about the business license, you would end up having to get publisher and author permission before being able to make a dime on any of these comics. So, that is my piece for today, I'll be checking back in tomorrow.
Posted By: sepulchrissima Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 969	on law I do not pretend to be a lawyer; however, I live with one, and I can affirm the veracity of these statements when I see him. Erin, you have entered into an implicit contract with the donators for services rendered according to the law, I believe. This actually depends on whether there is a precedent referring to the type of services indicated here and the set situation: since they are donations, however veiled, and since the donators would never donate without said services being rendered. Also since most of the participants in this contract are minors, the law might be different. However, I am not certian how this would change things. My guess is that your parents would have to apply for a business liscence to even begin to allow you to make any profit off of Shine. That's not to mention what would happen with copyright law and the like, which I am more than a bit fuzzy on. I like Shine, but you shouldn't lower yourself to what are, albeit unprompted, actions that border on illegal.
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 1041	Erin Before I say this....I may be shortening my nickname.....it gets annoying to type the whole thing over and over and over. ERIN: I grant you this, you have a good sense of humor...and with more practice you could go somewhere with comics. I'm not trying to **** anyone off...although you all seem to enjoy getting riled up....especially Integra Fan....I have said that I apologize for any hurt feeligns. that is not my intention at all. I'm just thinking that maybe you should set up your own comic.....with your own characters. If you can do this with Hellsing, what could you do on your own? I am honestly not trying to **** anyone off. I respect the fact that you can do this....however, I think that maybe you should try doing your own comics. You have the ability, why waste it?
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 1042	Piyo-Chan Before I **** you off, let me just say that your English is remarkably good, your grammar was fine. If I might ask...what is your first language? (Just curiousity...I am studying japanese myself) In one breath you say it is not illegal in Japan. Erin is not in Japan to the best of my knowledge...their laws do not apply to the US. In the second breath you insult me and try to get me to just go away. So far what I have seen on this board are nothing more than a bunch of adolescents using other people's ideas to make money for themselves. Frankly...that makes me sick when I think of the fact that it is NOT her work. Think to the hellsing anime. They often show dead characters such as Jan and Luke introducing the next anime (This is true also for the manga). So the idea of using characters that were not used for such things in either form of Hellsing is by no means original. Now, people have offered me money before. i have a set of scripts that is currently being reviwed for possible production. If that happens there won't be much money but there will be some. the difference is that the money belongs solely to me, as the ideas came directly from me. To be frankly honest, I have turned down money for things that are not mine. Unless selling something that I 1) bought or 2) created (on my own), I have no right to the money. I am not calling Erin a talentless hack nor am i trying to demean her....but it seems that all of you (with a few exceptions) feel that this is indeed the case. As for me not speaking the language of sarcasm...*blinking rapidly*...I am probably the most sarcastic person any of you will ever meet. but the fact is that the "joke" (which sarcasm is not, let me tell you) does not belong on a banner attempting to get money. The fact that everyone on here (again with some exceptions) gets so bloody angry when I suggest that perhaps taking moey for this (I do NOT care if you call it donating or tipping or highway robbery....it all boils to the same thing)is amoral and illegal...that suggests to me that you all already know this.
Posted By: Piyo-Chan Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 1030	Devil May Care I can't believe you still just go on with this. How hard it is to realize that Erin DOES NOT claim the HellSing-series hers, she credits those who own it, and shes NOT making us donate. Why is it so hard to get? Also, there's fact that you haven't noticed, it seems; It is a DOUJINSHI. In Japan, they sell doujinshi's and make money with it legally. They sell stories containing characters under the copyrights, but it's still legal. Although this is an american doujinshi, and the same laws may not be in America, she's not selling them. People donate on their free will because they like ERIN'S storylines, humor and ideas, not because she's using Hellsing-characters. They WANT to give her money as a gift. She's not making money with the original series nor storylines. Also, is the sarcasm completely alien languange to you? The text in the donate-button is A JOKE, she's not seriously saying anything about donations making any difference to the comics themselves. As Erin herself said, who would read this comic if they have no sense of humor? And, if you still don't get it, I'll give you an example; Scary Movies. These movies use the ideas of the famous horror-movies, and no one has sued those who made the movies. Are you going to tell about them to someone too? And, even if it were illegal, which is it not, it's not your damn responsibility or anything like that to contact anyone anywhere of this. What are you anyway, some little 7-year old tattletail? "I'm going to tell mom about this."? I really hope that you'd come to your senses and actually listen to what Erin's saying, this is getting rather annoying. And one more thing; If someone would offer you some money because they think you deserve it, would you turn it down? I wouldn't. (Sorry for the bad grammar, if there is some, my first languange is not english.)
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 997	Integra Fan + Erin Metaphors are examples for reference not lies. I suggest you should use a dictionary next time. The point is that if I really wanted to I could contact DarkHorse...Basically, Erin is saying that this money is for her and not the comic when her button says the exact opposite. If you eally want to ge tup in arms about this, we can. I would prefer not to...but that is mostly your call in the end of this. As for you, Erin, what I am not undertsanding is this: Why follow the crowd? Are your morals really so weak that you can't tell a few people that you can't accept money for work that is by and large not yours? Should I be allowed to take YOUR comics and claim that they are mine? I really don't think that you would like that. You would go to my board or whatever and flame me to death and beyond. However, if you can show me a difference between me taking your work and you taking Hirano's work, I will listen....but I don't see a difference personally.
Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 1005	Devil May Care Are you sure that makes her a liar? If that is so, then using metaphors would qualify you to be a liar, wouldn't it? And if that is so, so will sarcasm and jokes make you one.
Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 6, 2005 Views: 1002	Devil May Care The important term here is "donation" and not "payment". Donating is different from making payments. Donations are truly voluntary and not forced. People want to donate money to her for drawing the comics for us without asking for even the tiniest fee. Doing so is a bit like showing their gratitude to her.
Posted By: Erin the Integra Fangirl Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 997	Replies Thank you for all of that, Catherine ^_^ Devil May Care: There is nothing wrong with donation. There is no legal problem with one person giving another money as a gift. Not as payment for a copyrighted service, but as a gift. So "Pay for Shine" would be a crime, but "Donate to Shine" is not. If everyone felt the way you did, I would take the button down. As it is, some people want the button up, because they want to be able to give me money. So I leave it up. Not for you; for them.
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 991	Errata As for you thinking that I do not feel that you deserve money....in that you are half correct. For this comic, you do not deserve a single red cent. For work that is actually yours, or a place on a site where you have to pay something....yes...I would give you something. This is because at that point you would actually have expenses. right now, you do not, so I'd suggest getting a little less greedy.
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 985	Erin Onc emore. Mince words with me all that you like. It doesn't matter in the end. On your button it says "Donate to Shine"...that alone proves you to be a liar and a greedy little girl. I suggest either getting a real job or taking the button down.
Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 978	Stuff Look, whether it upsets DarkHors eor not is not the main issue. The main thing her eis that it is wrong for Erin to ask for money for either the comic or for just being herself. If it were not wrong, I'd ask for money for the various things that I have written (or for just being me). What you're suggesting is that people will pay Erin to just be her or for ideas which are, by and large stolen from another person's work. Neither one of those ideas sits very well with me. This entire thing smacks of selfishness and greed.
Posted By: Catherine Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 978	wow, controversy Sorry, one more thing. Or two. [i]Shine[/i]]=Erin to most of us. So when the buttons and such say 'Shine', read 'Erin'. We've met her through the commic, but arn't giving her money because of it, least not by her request. No, she doesn't need the money. I don't actualy plan on donating. But if this is a way for fans who have wanted to donate /in the past before all this/ to do so now, then by all means make them happy Erin. Also, she has a point about humor. We all need to have some of it, both reading the commics, seeing the donation button and in posting here. :)
Posted By: Catherine Posted On: Jul 5, 2005 Views: 979	wow, controversy Interesting how heated every one is able to get over a topic that truly isn't worth any one's time and energy. If we don't agree with donating to Erin (not her commic, to ERIN), then we don't and ignore all this. If we think she's cool and donate (to ERIN, not to the Hellsing related comic), then we do so. Either way, let's not argue. :) There are so many fan fics out there and so many paypal donation buttons, I don't think the copywrite people are going to fret over Erin's set up. She's not claiming ownership or asking for payment for what is not hers. Consider her a friend (or not, maybe just an aquaintence) asking for money. One who volunteers to show you her sketch book no matter if you give her money or not. Please, don't argue, swear or yell. It saddens me to see us degenerate into such childishness. Thank you all for your patience and understanding.
Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 1017	Sorry for the misunderstanding Ok, ok. Now I know what your intentions really are, Devil May Care. Forgive me for the previous comments. If you were only trying to prevent the possible happenings of people--the donaters, Erin etc--then what you have said is fine by me. Just...just try to make your intentions a little clearer next time, please.

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