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| Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 1087 | I am not what I seem like Alison, Alison. Though I may seem rabid, I am not. Those close to me are the ones who throws things around and kick others when violent. It is simply that I do not like people who speak that way (e.g "All I have to do is turn Keenspace onto this cute little idea of hers.", " I think maybe I should email Keenspace and DarkHorse..."). The way Devil May Care speaks is as though he is one who has a habit of backstabbing. And as you might already see, I certainly hate traitors and backstabbers with every fibre in my body. |
| Posted By: Erin the Integra Fangirl Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 1086 | To Devil May Care I've responded to you before, you know. I am not "asking for donations to continue the comic." You don't seem to get that. I will continue the comic whether I get donations or not. Nor am I calling anything Hellsing-related my own. You also act as if it was all my idea and I'm trying to force it on people who don't want it. It was suggested by fans, and fans have donated to me - so if you wonder why anyone would ever give me any money, you should ask them ^_~ As for yourself, you should not give me money. You clearly don't like my work and don't think I deserve money, so you have absolutely no reason to donate any. So don't! |
| Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 1004 | Erin Well, at least I finally get a response from you. However, what you are doing is using COPYRIGHTED characters and then asking for donations, in essence to continue the comic. My suggestion is take the button down. You are using Kouta Hirano's characters and ideas with a tiny pinch of your own and calling it yours. That is wrong and they can/will bust you for it. Taking money for any reason....especially from a FREE SITE is illegal if you are using someone else's work. Basically, you are a high school student breaking copyrights for at least five large companies. Your parents support you, as you ahve mentione do nthis site and you have no real expenses aside from manga. Why should I, or anyone for that matter, pay to help you buy anime or manga? Get a job and take down that button, because sooner or later DarkHorse is going to get very upset. And you can mince words with them if you like....but I don't think that they will care much how you want to phrase it. In the end it is your choice. I personally don't care much one way or the other. but I know that some people enjoy this site and I would be loathe to see it taken out for something as petty as the small amount of revenue that you are taking in. Like I said, I am a big Hellsing fan. I have written FanFic before...however I have never asked for money to continue doing so or for anyone viewing it. Your donations button says that these donations are for Shine...which is the name of your comic. Listen to reason or don't. Honestly, I am out to help an artist...if you have no respect for that person's work, then you are no artist yourself. BEFORE YOU CAN SAY IT THOUGH ( and I know you will) making a comic using what I am guessing to be your sketches and Photoshop is not a form of flattery unless it is to yourself...so please don't pull the whole "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" thing...This isn't flattery, this is you making money off of someone else's idea. Never forget that. |
| Posted By: Erin the Integra Fangirl Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 995 | Replies integra_fan: Relax. It's okay ^_^ Besides, while Devil May Care's "pathetic" comment wasn't exactly appropriate, swearing won't help anything. Alison: If people don't have a sense of humor, they shouldn't be reading this comic in the first place ^_~ The comment to Angel_Fish was in bold to make sure that the rest of you noticed it as well; you say that you know it's a donation, but you're speaking as if it's a fee. And that's what surprises me about these responses. Devil May Care: The comic is free. The comic has always been free, and the comic will always be free. Everything on this site is freely available to you. Now, I'm not distributing material that is available for purchase - episodes or published manga. So it's not as if I'm giving away for free things that would otherwise have been bought, and hurting sales that way - much less charging for anything that's not mine to sell. I'm charging for nothing. How many times should I repeat this? |
| Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 1001 | Alison Thank you very much for the support. I am glad to see that you don't think that I am just here to stir up trouble. If thatwere the case, I would behave much more offensively. I wish you luck. |
| Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 986 | Integra Fan I'm sorry you feel that way. Let me clear up a few little things. 1. The comic would be absolutely fine by me if Erin WERE using her own characters or if she were NOT asking for any money. I write Hellsing Fanfic, but keep it largely to myself and have never asked for money for it. 2. Me blackmailing anyone on here would indicate that I want something from you people. Have I asked for any money? Have I made any threats? yes to the last. I would rather not see Erin sued for breaching copyright. Something like that early on in life could really hurt someone's career. I support artists. However, I do not support those who STEAL from other artists. The comic is fine while it is free, but the moment someone donates to this sit for any reason whatsoever, that creates information that DarkHorse can (and will) use, not just against Erin, but the donators as well. Personally, I think that being fined "up to $100,000 for each work infringed" for donating $3 to a website is a little stupid. The problem here is more the fact that Erin has used copyrighted images from geneon, Gonzo, Young King Ours and Darkhorse comics. I am unsure as to whether or not each individual manga and show counts as a separate work, but I can be pretty sure that she would be looking at a fine of at least $200,000. That is, of course, without the fine for any damages to sales that may have been suffered because of this. I don't know that ammounts to much (if anything)...but lawyers are really good at screwing people over. I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. On the other hand, I cannot and will not sit by and watch someone rip off a true artist and his work. |
| Posted By: Alison Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 989 | Well then. Integra_fan, you are simply the kind of person who makes chat rooms and forums unpleasant. You become rabid, attack those who do not agree with your viewpoint, and fling about accusations. I hope those close to you are tolerant. Should we meet in chat or elsewhere, I will not be. Erin, yes. Making money does not have to be tedious. I believe the main problem everyone has with this is that it simply appears to be an attempt to capitalize on something which is, for the most part, not yours. We do realize it's a donation, as you point out so strongly to Angel_Fish. However, the 'fanservice budget' note leads people to percieve that you have expenditures for the comic. An educated guess is that you do not. It may have been a joke. Many people do not have a sense of humor. The button was your choice, putting up a poll asking opinions was also your choice. The responses you are recieving should not surprise you in the slightest. |
| Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 990 | Alison Yes, yes, I know that. But it's no like she's trying to live off Kouta Hirano's creation. See it this way: What if say, she uses a pile of characters of her own creation, totally original. It would still be as funny. |
| Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 4, 2005 Views: 990 | Devil May Care Oh **** hell, get lost, you blackmailer. Get your damn self of this site NOW! I wonder why you even bother staying here if you say that her comic is pathetic. |
| Posted By: Erin the Integra Fangirl Posted On: Jul 3, 2005 Views: 995 | Oh yeah: One more thing . . . Alison said "I consider it simply an attempt by a teenager to earn money through something she enjoys doing." That's exactly right! There's no law that says earning money can't be fun ^_^ |
| Posted By: Erin the Integra Fangirl Posted On: Jul 3, 2005 Views: 991 | Replies Kisa: Wow, such dedication on my behalf . . . Thank you ^_^ integra_fan: I have no clue what it was named after; Wingates/Wingate is a name like any other, likely to show up on a street sign somewhere. I, a devoted fan of Sir Integral Wingates Hellsing, was oblivious to this great sign, which clearly makes me a defective fan. And I have no idea why this forum is the way it is ^_^ Orange: I've gotten some money, yes. I have this thing about being honest, even when the truth doesn't help me. People are donating simply because they appreciate the comic; if you do some kind of service, people might donate to you in thanks as well. Alison: I bother putting up a donation thing because people have offered to donate in the past, and I would like to be able to accept those donations. I'm not charging anybody for the comic, or any Hellsing-related creation. It's free and will continue to be free. Devil May Care: I'll say it again - I'm not charging anybody to keep the comic going. It's free for you to read, and if you don't like it, you are free to give me constructive criticism or go read something else altogether ^_^ Angel_Fish: Did I ever say "Support Shine" anywhere in relation to this PayPal thing? No. It's not support. It's donation, and that's all I've ever peddled it as. The button says "Keep Erin's fanservice budget balanced," but I thought everyone would realize that was a joke. (Same with the last option on the poll, for that matter, in case some people are oblivious to that too.) |
| Posted By: Alison Posted On: Jul 2, 2005 Views: 1003 | In Response Integra_fan: Perhaps it wasn't very nice. I'm not sure I care, to be honest. I'll be quite blunt. I do not think that the donation button was warranted, and I consider it simply an attempt by a teenager to earn money through something she enjoys doing. While there's nothing wrong with that, when you step on copyrights, you're treading dangerous territory. Erin's ideas, while amusing, are based on something which in no possible way can be construed as hers. Therefore, she is attempting to make money off of someone else's considerably hard work. If someone did such a thing with my own works, I'd perhaps feel a bit flattered. Then I would want them to immediately cease attempting to get profit off of my ideas. No one would appreciate having their work exploited for someone else's gain. It's just that simple. |
| Posted By: Angel_Fish Posted On: Jul 2, 2005 Views: 1009 | Umm...well... Actually, I've got to agree (to a degree) with both Alison and Devil May Care. It seems kind of silly to say 'Support Shine!' when there are no expenses connected to making the comic. I would assume Erin draws on her own, so color pencils and such shouldn't be a problem. Keenspace is free, as far as I know, so where's the money trouble? Hell, I'd love to get money for my city, which is entirely mine, but the system it was based off of is White Wolf. Therefore, I can't get money without getting permission. (Which is such a pain in the butt, it's not worth it.) But asking for money seems kind of...grabby to me. I love the comic, and I'm figuring I'll get kicked off of every Hellsing-related board I'm on for this, but I can't see why the donation button was even put up. In all truth, if anyone donates, it'll be someone doing it either as a tax write-off or because they want to say 'I'm a real Shine fan!' I don't know how much trouble Erin could get in because of it. (I don't figure too much, but you never know.) But, it does just seem kind of a 'patting self on back' sort of thing. It's a good comic, but so is VG Cats and Misfile. Both of them have donation buttons, but those sites are not run off of free hostings, like Keenspace. Although, if anyone reports Erin and she doesn't get into any trouble, maybe I'll put a donation button on my city's site. :) |
| Posted By: Devil May Care Posted On: Jul 2, 2005 Views: 1014 | Whatever I know I'm not wanted here...I don't really care. All I have to do is turn Keenspace onto this cute little idea of hers. I agree completely with what Alison said. If you claim it is not your work, and then ask for money...you are breaking the law. Homeless people asking for money on the streets is a lot different because they are not prostituting someone else's work. I think maybe I should email Keenspace and DarkHorse...just a thought. |
| Posted By: integra_fan Posted On: Jul 2, 2005 Views: 1002 | To Alison I know what you're trying to say, though I don't think it was very nice. Erin's only asking for donations. She's not demanding or anything. It's like those buskers on the streets trying to get a little more pocket money or earn a living. And I'm not referring to the disabled. She puts this up asking for donations. That's it. She's not trying to earn money entirely on this comic. |
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