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| Posted By: Bakakage Posted On: Oct 26, 2005 Views: 662 | RE: idiotic design Evolution on a small scale is correct. For example, Hawaii started off with only one type of hummingbird that first migrated to the islands. Over time, it evolved into a few dozen species. Primarily the difference is in their beak, based on which type of flower its ancestor used the most. But those hummingbirds never developed extra appendages or anything of the sort. Here is a point of intelligent design. If we evolved into this state, we would be at full potential all the time. An ameoba uses its full body entirely. Humans dont use fully 15% of thier potential brain abilities, and just a small fraction of thier physical strength. Evolution is based on nescessity, thusby making it unfeasible that a creature would overdevelop to an extent where it wasn't using everything that was created within it. I think its entirely possible man came from lesser primates like the missing link type guys, but there is no way in hell we evolved from a single cell organism. If we did, why didn't everything evolve into a higher form, why would there still be things like moss or plankton? Darwin himself denied the general theory of man evolving from single cell organisms later on in his life. Ill try to look up a reference on that. |
| Posted By: Bakakage Posted On: Oct 26, 2005 Views: 662 | RE: idiotic design Okay, researched it a bit and the denouncing evolution is debated. One person said he told them that on his deathbed, and his daughter denies it. But here is a point in which darwin himself proves his own flaw... I have called this principle, by which each slight variation, if useful, is preserved, by the term Natural Selection. Charles Darwin from "The Origin of Species" Natural selection is true. This has been proven pretty thoroughly. But if everything evolved from one single organism millions of years ago, then anything which is not useful would not have been kept. things like the human appendix would not exist. Darwin lived in the 1800s, and at that time they knew very little about the human body still. They still thought that bloodletting (draining out peoples blood to cure diseases i.e. "oh, you have a fever? lets drain out 2 pints and the sickness will be out") From what we know currently about the human body and mind, and the potential that lies within, natural selection shows that humans could not have evolved from such a far lesser being. Species can be created by natural selection. but you cant change from one phylum to another. Even a change in genus is unlikely (though in some lesser organisms, possible) |
| Posted By: superfly Posted On: Oct 26, 2005 Views: 656 | RE: idiotic design norman, don't get all worked up about the beliefs of people you don't even know, you putz. the only thing i believe about any of this **** is that no one really knows what the **** they're talking about. if this represents the mysteries of the universe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------, then this would represent what all the clever theorists know at this point, combined: -. |
| Posted By: Norman Posted On: Oct 26, 2005 Views: 654 | RE: idiotic design Way to miss the obvious there moron. |
| Posted By: adam Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 652 | RE: idiotic design you can just not think about it?...its certainly the easiest thing and it does no harm...theres no point to debating over something that has no proof....of course the big bang makes the most sense....if ppl wanna believe god made humans and ****...then what did he do with the dinosaurs, insects, and everything else on this planet...including our entire galaxy which is proved to exist...it all comes down to how, and theres no answer so it really makes no sense to ask how but you got the religious crazies pushing the issue constantly and trying to make...........i just realized that it makes no sense to reply considering thats the point...but, all of my posts never make sense so thats the only reason im hitting "Submit Comment" |
| Posted By: Snail Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 651 | RE: idiotic design The universe is but a spark in the eye of the Buddha |
| Posted By: trev Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 645 | RE: idiotic design Both are just theories. One originates from the ego and a sense of profoundness, the other from the scientific method. I tend to put more weight on the latter. Ego is a sense that you're bigger and more important than you really are. Chimps have this, reptiles don't - just to draw a comparison. Profoundness is a state of mind that can be altered with LSD or mushrooms, as anyone who has taken these drugs would know. I don't base my beliefs in these areas of brain function because they are faulty. I can't think of a better example of this chimp-like sense of importance than Norman's posts which are arrogant and insulting but empty. At least I learned something from Bakakage. |
| Posted By: Norman Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 640 | RE: idiotic design If you see my posts as arrogant and insulting then I guess you seem to have a problem with your own ego since all I have said is man does not have the ability to truly understand any of this. As for them being empty, like I said, this is OddTodd, not a physics education forum. If you are coming here to learn this stuff you are screwed. |
| Posted By: green Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 635 | RE: idiotic design big flaw in the arguements presented...useful things are added, harmful things are taken out...and things that dont really matter stay there. the appendix isnt hurting anyone, so natural selection really has no reason to get rid of it. if everyone with an appendix had a 30% higher chance of dieing, then they would dissappear (or, more likely, the human race would dissappear, since dissappearing organs isnt a common mutation). as for only using part of our brains...who knows what that other part is for, but its not hurting anything...and the extra physical strength we never use is for desperate situations only, but if we were able to use it all the time it would be too much for our muscles to take. without a very good reason, we arent allowed to push our muscles to that limit. the reason is obvious, males are prone to show off, we would be lifting cars and stuff all the time if we could. that douglas adams quote was awesome. |
| Posted By: Bakakage Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 630 | RE: idiotic design The point is, something so complex as the human brain couldn't be made by evolution. The appendix, its possible. But that would be a HUGE mutation. Lets face it...darwin knew that these changes took place over thousands or millions of years. For example, the hummingbirds. Their beaks changed with every generation. Maybe a micrometer longer with every generation. that would be the mutations darwin spoke of in natural selection. Its slowly adapting with every generation. How the hell would you grow an appendix bit by bit? does it start as one useless cell, and for no appearent reason continue to mutate every generation growing a few more cells, until it eventually becomes a completely full and useless organ? And useless parts are usually dropped in natural selection because it takes up nutrients to keep it alive. Like the blind cave fish, it had no use for its eyes since it lived in total darkness, so over time the eyes simply dissapeared. They weren't harming it, but were useless so the body adapted over time to not have them at all. |
| Posted By: Yute Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 629 | RE: idiotic design you are looking at the human body as a solid unit, when in fact there lot of individual activities and growths going on inside that don't necessarily contribute to the survival of the individual. cancer contributes negatively and yet continues to thrive. The brain (unused portion) and appendix could have developed in a similar way. Some mutations are negative, some are positive, some are left unhindered. A mutation in itself just happens, its usefulness is determined later. Therefore it doesn't make sense to think the human body is streamlined and every part of it must have a reason for existing. |
| Posted By: Bakakage Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 623 | RE: idiotic design Cancer is a mutation. Its naturally occuring, the only thing that makes it dangerous is that in cancer the cell continues to divide and multiply, where the body normally forces any mutated cells to die without reproducing themselves. The "unused" part of the brain isn't unused. The whole brain is used to some extent, but in varying degrees. When they say we dont use 90% of our brain, they dont mean you can but out that 90% and function, it means that we only use 10% of its potential. And cancer isn't genetically transferred...so if a parent has a tumor, it doesn't mean the child will have a tumor. You may be genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, but not to a degree in which a person would develop an organ, and then spread it to thier children (as your idea of the appendix forming would state) I dont totally discount evolution...but i think it takes a serious moron to believe that a single cell organism evolved into humans. When you are dealing with an organism thats ENTIRE body is 1 cell...mutation is kind of hard. one single cell would double the creature. Thats like a person mutating a twin out of thier own body. And it would have to happen regularly in order for it to become a new species. |
| Posted By: green Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 620 | RE: idiotic design i doubt that we devoloped the apendix without a purpose. i have a feeling that in a lower form of humans, it did something. then, for some reason, we mutated in such a way as to make the apendix useless. probly not all at once, but gradually. and now it just sits there in our DNA for no real reason, and we keep on making them, and they keep on being there, and we just sort of get along. |
| Posted By: Yute Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 612 | RE: idiotic design Any high school biology student knows that mutations occur at a genetic level. DNA/RNA molecules make up a cell, any of which could mutate in the process of duplication resulting in a slightly different new cell. Multi-celled organism are just a collection of cells working together for survival, each type performing a specific function. Useless organs don't just fade away unless they're negatively impacting the organism's ability to reproduce. The disposition to cancer is still an inherited physical configuration, as is the appendix. |
| Posted By: asdasd Posted On: Oct 27, 2005 Views: 609 | RE: idiotic design That may be the dumbest thing said here all week Yute. |
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