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| Posted By: Christopher Largen Posted On: Jun 18, 2004 Views: 4489 | Civility? So painful it hurts... Republicans advocate lower taxes while gobbling up corporate subsidies. They preach about responsibility while exploiting American workers and outsourcing jobs. They fight wars to "liberate" other countries while incarcerating a greater percentage of their own people than any other nation in the world. They preach sexual abstinence while passing sex laws that transform Big Brother into a voyeur with an erection and a surveillance camera. They preach "protect the children" while "liberating" pedophiles and murderers to make room for non-violent offenders. They rail against the evils of drugs while subsidizing tobacco and chug-a-lugging brew like it was communion blood. They preach smaller government while turning attack dogs loose on their own people. They excuse the torture of uncharged detainees in other nations, while whining if they suffer police brutality at the hands of their own government (which rarely occurs - most Republicans can afford justice). They preach patriotism while destroying our nation's natural resources and robbing taxpayers and shareholders alike. To quote the Bible (a tactic utilized by many Republicans), they are "whitewashed tombs" and "hypocrites." Perhaps they should be exposed as the war criminals they are, as traitors to the very constitution our founding forefathers fought and died to preserve. Or perhaps we the people should simply boot these con-artists right out of the White House this November. |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Aug 3, 2003 Views: 5195 | sorry i guess props should go to bobby...my bad man |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Aug 3, 2003 Views: 5197 | so very true, curious it's really to bad that the american people and press had to magnify and turn that into a huge deal... i could care less if my president was or wasnt gettin head from a cow of a white house intern. it's really a shame that everyone cared... but am i correct in thinking that that was his 2nd term anyway...it's not like he could have done anything else... |
| Posted By: Curious Posted On: Aug 3, 2003 Views: 5221 | Bobby's thoughts Bobby, I agree with you, you have a point. I think you had a good president with Bill Clinton. He was a good leader. It's a shame his leadership became all about his sex life. Personally I think the only people who SHOULD have been privy to those details was his wife. For the life of me I will never understand WHY or HOW on earth I was informed about the bjs the President of the US was or was not receiving. He's a married man, and leader of a powerful country........ I *assumed* he was getting some, just didn't need or want to hear about it. |
| Posted By: Bobby Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5234 | Eh... Let's not attack each party. Some leftists seem to be elitest (like the joke says, "How many leftists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? SHUT UP, THAT'S NOT FUNNY!"), but not all of us are. Remember that it's the fact that people choose to sit down and not take action. Those that aren't able to take action too to be accounted for. Being under 18 myself may not give me credibility when I say these things, but then again, I do have an "outsider while being an insider" view. My mother was a very successful leftist president of our local unified school district, and my father is following pursuit. If we're going to attack each party, let's look at the numbers. With the 3 or so presidents before clinton, we quadrupled out deficit, unemployment was at a high, inflation was at an all time high, and the nation was in shambles. While Clinton was in office, inflation was at an all time low, unemployment was lower than it had been in 30 years, home ownership was at a high, and our deficit was cut in half. Yeah, and the democrat ideas don't work... |
| Posted By: Kallisti23 Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5248 | So *hip* to be a lefty... Dear Mr. PC, Why is it that all lefty elitests seem to think of the general public as children? Who do you all think you are to be able to make the "right decisions" for us poor, helpless masses? Free Choice, Liberty for ALL...NOT the "Nanny State" you seem to be in favor of. |
| Posted By: pinkpuffbuster Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5252 | umm, seriously...... these are all really longass quotes and i woulda read them, but i dont have the attention span too. come on, seriously, we're at oddtodd, lets try to keep em short, or at least interesting? |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5273 | im bored so im gonna keep babbling... you know what i think is wrong with the country? no you say? f*ck you! im telling ya anyway. it's that we generalize too much. focus on the rich, focus on the poor, focus on the minorities, focus on the majorities, it's the democrates fault, it's the republicans fault. f*ck that. it's our fault... say it with me...it's our fault... take some goddamn responcibility. ya back in the good old days when americans worked hard and tried their best to be honest, america was a great place to live.. why do you think we dont get any more boatloads of european immigrants?? now we just get these cubans that, if given the proper oppertunity, would work harder and be more trustworthy than any white man i can think of... but no! the government is worried that paco will turn around and invite all of his hispanic family to come over and they will pick all our fruit. get real.. stupid racists. america doesnt have it's white-bred, white collar image anymore... we're a country full of Jackass, the movie-loving, Girls Gone Wild-commercail watching, slack-jawed idiots, that'd rather sit at home and watch stolen cable and b*tch about the system holding us down, then get out there work and make something of ourselves... now for the disclaimer... im not better than you...im prolly worse. i complain about my small paychecks from grocery kart when i shouldn't get paid $3 an hour for all the work i do... im working at $5.5 standing around most of the day in an air conditioned building and occasionally i make somethign beep... hell of a contirbution i am to the work force, but what do i care...cuz im an american through and through. ok ima go b*tch somewhere else now peace out |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5275 | i gotta question.. why does the public even vote if the electoral college picks the president anyway?? or am i mistaken about something? |
| Posted By: MartianMolly Posted On: Aug 2, 2003 Views: 5298 | voting and stuff I disagree. I believe there is room for improvement in just about every aspect of government. I could get started on a list of specific examples, but I'd never finish and wind up drinking myself to sleep toninght. Anyway, voting. The debacle in Florida notwithstanding, voting is quite an imperfect system. I can be manipulated in legal ways and the best candidate, the most popular candidate doesn't always win. Also, voter turnout is constantly manipulated by specific candidates (bring out the vote drives), specific parties (Labor vs. Christian Coalition), and on a systemic level, where voter districts are constantly being redrawn to favor incumbents. Change is supposed to happen slowly, I know this, and most of these things serve to smooth out fickle changes in popular opinion. But it's still imperfect and there's room for improvement. Also, the way people use the system IS the system. There are many laws about how people can legally interact with government. Laws = system. Laws = legalese. Legalese = lawyers. Lawyers = money. Money = access to system. It always comes back to the fact that the system favors the rich. Always has and always will. Right now at this present time in history, we have the best system yet. But It's not the best system possible, and there are some obvious places where improvement can be made. |
| Posted By: Miss New York Posted On: Aug 1, 2003 Views: 5358 | Please vote Democratic Dear All, When you go to the polls in 2004, all I ask is that you remember what George W. Bush has put this country through and how many people he has left unemployed. Thank you. |
| Posted By: pc` Posted On: Aug 1, 2003 Views: 5408 | Molly I would argue that the system can't get much better, we have the framework of goverment that allows free vote. I think that any improvement will be at the direction of the voters. We as the citizens have the abilty to freely vote, so the system is fine. Any change to policy would be directed by the voters using the system that is already set up. I don't feel there is any problem with the system. The problem is people using the system for personal gain or not at all. I don't know how or if that is possible to change. |
| Posted By: Dr. BOB Posted On: Aug 1, 2003 Views: 5422 | new setup. i really dont like the new setup of the poll comments. i like the way it used to be, in the days of old. what say you todd, and change it back? whos with me? |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Aug 1, 2003 Views: 5414 | reasonable No arguments there, except that falling back on the "can't have a perfect system because we don't have perfect people..." spiel is often (not in this case, granted) used as a copout excuse or a guilt salve by those who benefit from the system. Not everyone does, and in the present case, I believe that the system is skewed towards an influential minority. Anyway, that argument is often used as a discussion topper against those 'discontents' who'd always like to push for a better system. If we can't have a perfect system, we can always have a better system. |
| Posted By: pc Posted On: Aug 1, 2003 Views: 5428 | Martian Molly I don't think most politicians have each person's interest in mind. I am glad that most of them don't. I think most of them have the interest of the community first and try to do what is right for the whole community. Sometimes for the individual it stings, because it is not what the individual wants. This is all part of living in society. I do believe that there are some politicians that are only out for financial gain, but you will get that element of person in any profession. It is always unfortunate when someone gets into a position of power that cares more for money than doing the right thing, but that is reality. There is never going to be a perfect system, because there are no perfect people. It is unfair to say most politicains are out for themselves as it is unfair to say all republicians do not care about the poor. I am a republician, I guess, but I work as volunteer at a homeless shelter and a hospital. I think the problem is most people only see what politics does to them rather than for them. |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 31, 2003 Views: 5416 | yeah Sounds a lot like you, Rig |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Jul 31, 2003 Views: 5467 | hey lou umm republican farmers live off the government like parasites...they complain and whine enough that the government finnaly gives them money that they spend on things they dont need, then they complain some more... |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 31, 2003 Views: 5497 | re: duh Okay, you're right. You win. |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 31, 2003 Views: 5498 | re: duh Okay, you don't haveta get all personal on us. I was just simply saying that Republican farmers are just trying to make a living and you don't have much room to speak, because if you were in their shoes, you'd react much the same way. |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5560 | and And I'm small... those aren't good odds... |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5558 | duh oh, i'm sure not... they're all loose..... |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5559 | duh oh trust me, republican farmers think that the governement is constantly fuc king them...so im sure that even the slightest **** would get you noticed. |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5560 | but If you f u c k ed them... they probably wouldn't even notice..... |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5561 | duh! i would just f u c k more of em... that would learn em dont you think? and if you had bothered to finish what i had written before you wouldnt of even had anything to bitch about. \ |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5565 | okay so... ****ing republican farmers wouldn't get rid of your problems, they'd just multiply... then what would you do? |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5567 | republican farmers suck well... i said f u c k republican farmers. i didnt say get rid of all farmers, lou. and as a matter of fact, i said f u c k them,not get rid of em... screw em... or rather shaft them. nor sexually, but you get the idea. |
| Posted By: Lou Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5568 | For Max Powers For your last comment about ridding the world of Repulican farmers... What about world hunger? Would getting rid of farmers solve that world problem? |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5577 | boy oh boy Leave this thread for a day and look what happens. PC, are you really, honestly and truly trying to argue that politicians always make decisions based on what's best for the people who voted them in? I like to fish too, but your bait stinks. |
| Posted By: Stephanie Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5637 | Proved your point? PC, I think you need to review the dictionary defination of "discussion" and "Opinion". I agree that politicians need to be somewhat decisive, HOWEVER they do NOT always make the best decisions for the country, and some politicians are more self serving in their decisions. This is why the public has an OPINION that the political structure is corrupt without enough checks and balances. You cannot blame the populace for every action of a political figure, their bad/unpopular ideas are not always laid out for review during campaigning. There are several examples in history which reflect poor leadership, corrupt government etc. This discussion panel is not making this up. DEMOCRACY is supposed to be a government OF the PEOPLE, BY the people and FOR the people. Therefore representative of the people's view, not a dictators'. |
| Posted By: Daisy Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5623 | Last comment You're brainwashed and it's sad. |
| Posted By: Pc Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5384 | Daisy The goverment did not allow anything. These things happened because that is what the people like you and me allowed to happen. As a matter of fact most of the laws that get passed, that everyone thinks is great, were not a result of what the populas wanted, rather what they did not. I think that my analogy is perfect and you have just proved it for me. |
| Posted By: Daisy Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5389 | PC Your pro-government jargon has to be a joke. How can you compare the voting populace to children and politicians to the all-knowing parents? A bad analogy for several reasons, the primary reason being the number of terrible parents running around out there. Seems to me these all-knowing leaders prevented women from voting and enabled slavery and encouraged separate but equal policies for years after the bulk of the country wanted change. But I guess someone like you would say that they knew what was best for the country? |
| Posted By: pc Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5394 | Rigmus other than the jackhole comment, you seem ok. So here goes. The term politician means leadership. Leadership is the fundemental element of goverment and its true purpose. It is not to dicuss, it is to lead and leading requires decisive nature. It is not unlike parenting, it is not for the parents to make the children happy at every turn. It is to make them safe and secure and provided for. Children, even though they are part of the family, are not part of decision process, because they have no idea of the complexity of running a household. We are no different. We elect officials to lead us as citizens and sometimes we don't like what happens. We are not able to see the big picture and therefore complain like children. A good leader will listen to what people and disregard it with understanding that the people don't know the whole story and their experience in these matters is little. I understand that it is important for people to beheard, but the people change their opinion everyday and a good leader will not be affected by the fickle ideals of the people. |
| Posted By: Daisy Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5397 | Rock the Boat, people! I'm surprised that during this whole conversation not one of you mentioned the word democracy. That's what we're supposed to have, aren't we? I mean, we're ALL qualified to make decisions about what goes on in our country. For anyone to say "leave the big thoughts to the qualified politicians" isn't only laughable it's despicable. If these elected officials really represented the people there wouldn't be a need for lobbyists, good or bad. |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5410 | pc sounds like a jackhole... pc, you know exactly what he was saying... you sport the distainful feelings and ideas of a dictator. i got that and according to nik ashmost im dumb. anyway molly's so right here, how the hell can you plan to know everything and "just decide"??? discussions provide you with useful information and valid oppositional points. discussion is the back bone politics... why to we have all of our capitol buildings on the maps as landmarks and monuments if their purpose is so pointless?? i really think it's you that doesnt understand politics... i mean just like we can't pretend to know what a politican's job is like, you can't pretend to know exactly what the best decision is. |
| Posted By: PC Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5421 | Mr Nyo If you open mouth please try to stay somewhere the coversation point. You are silly and make no sense and really have nothing to say. Good luck. |
| Posted By: Mr. Nyo Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5426 | Hey PC Plain and simple...you're a dope. I'm sorry Saddam's not in power anymore. You could have gone to Iraq and lived under a real leader. Per your description, he was a great "Success" (at least until this year). Perhaps there's a nice spot for you in Iran or Syria. |
| Posted By: PC Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5439 | Molly I can see that you have never been in position of leadership. Discussion in your opinion is the key to succesful politics. This is the opinion of someone who has never truley lead. Successful leadership does not discuss, it decides. The reason why there is no discussion is that the person leading has much more experience than you do and able to lead much more than you can. The problem is people think that they can do the job of a politician or even have the slighest idea of what doing the job of a politicain is. We only see what is presented to us by the media and that is never the whole story. Does someone who has never done your job understand what you do? You seem fairly intelligent, it is shame that don't have enough experience in life to understand this. |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5440 | discourse Discussions are important, ya dimwit ya. If for no other reason, you can find out if you really are just a crybaby. Or you can find out that you aren't just a paranoid loon and that other people also see the problems with the system, etc. etc. At a more advanced level (read: over yer head), ideas can be exchanged and solutions proposed and refined or rejected. Then, if someone decides to 'step up and take a swing', they can take a prepared, intelligent approach and stand a chance at being taken seriously. I agree that politics are necessary. I agree that actions are better than words. I agree that plain old whining sucks. But discussions are important, even if they do burst your happy little bubble and force you to face the facts. |
| Posted By: PC Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5448 | Politics I think that politics are fine. Politics are inevitable to a society of people living together and are a direct reflection of the individuals of that society. Politicians are only out to do what they believe is important and rightly so. It is their job to what they think it the best job they can do for what they think is important. This is what we all do every day at our jobs. There are always going to be crybabies that think that there are problems with system, corrupt politicians and bad policy. I have this to say. Shut UP for two reasons 1. You( the people) elected them. 2. Step and take a swing, instead of just talking and crying about the need for change. |
| Posted By: Stephanie Posted On: Jul 30, 2003 Views: 5450 | I remember Back when I was in school, we made trips to watch the sessions of city council, the provincial government's sessions. Both were pathetic. I could not believe that the people running the city/province were such complete crybabies. It was all about apologizing for calling so and so a name last session. And notying truly serious got done. I sincerly hope that I was there on "off days" and that wasn't the norm......... but I fear it was. When I moved to our nation's capital (Ottawa) for a 4 month period........ I again went to Parliment hill and sat in on a session..... there was a lot more happening, translators, more formal tours etc........ BUT the seats were empty....... not even half the parliment members/backbenchers were even there! I have a vague recollection someone told me that if you watch this stuff on tv, you notice people shuffling around behind the scenes to make the seats look fuller than they are........ It was a rude awaking for me.... |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Jul 29, 2003 Views: 5492 | anyone? Aww, c'mon. Say something. The point is this: search out these meetings. The more people who show up and talk about their own self interests, the more dilute the spoiled as**SS political favortites' opinions are. Especially at the local level. Start small. Act all tall. |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Jul 29, 2003 Views: 5701 | got involved I regularly attended political action committee (party policy and agenda steering) meetings in a suburban New Orleans district for a term, in response to Mr. "Get involved or shut up". I thought I'd be a part of the civil system. Noble pursuit and all that. I quickly was disheartened by the whole thing because no one on the committee, or those who attended the meetings had any other motive except their own self interests. A lot of NOT IN MY BACKYARDers or MY BUSINESS NEEDS AN INSIDE FRIENDers. I stopped trying to do the right thing (raising issues about the populace, etc.) in the meetings and eventually quit going. It was depressing. I still vote, by the way, but it got a lot harder after that. |
| Posted By: Chance Furlong Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5809 | Oh, and... Anytime someone says "Just do X and all the problems would be solved", you can be sure all the problems will NOT be solved by doing X. Getting rid of Republican farmers won't solve the worlds problems any more than getting rid of the Democrats, CEOs, lawyers, hippies, or professional bowlers will. CF |
| Posted By: Chance Furlong Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5788 | Lying? Politicians wouldn't lie if the public didn't constantly vote for the biggest liars. They're simply doing what works. CF |
| Posted By: Stephanie Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5643 | interview everyone? That's what opinion polls are for. You don't need to interview everyone. And just because I'm not running for political office does NOT mean I have peanuts for brains. I can follow current events just like anyone, and when I vote I do it based on issues, and opinions I have based on platforms as presented. I just don't believe everything the politicians say...... or believe they always make the best judgements for the country. It's not uncommon for a politician to promise one thing and never follow through on it. Take their campaign promises with a grain of salt and pray it doesn't turn out too badly. Personally as a Canadian I was DISGUSTED with our Prime Minister and some members of his cabinet during the whole war situation. The insults and garbage that they broadcast as the "Canadian opinion" was simply dispicable. But what can you do? Suck it up and get rid of them next time around. |
| Posted By: Bobby Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5564 | How many... How many of 'yall have ever actually been a participant in politics? I mean, have any of you ran for a city office, or something similar? Because way too many people assume, "Oh! It's all corrupt! All politicians are the same!" When that's not true. I'm sick of these whiny little people who never vote, and their only justification is, "Well, I don't agree with any of it." You don't get to whine if you aren't willing to take some action. Sorry, but how else is the country supposed to know your opinion? How else is congress supposed to know what you want? Ya think they have the TIME to interview every single person? Nope! But yeah, all I'm saying is get involved or shut up. |
| Posted By: Flasre2100 Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5585 | another choice... how about an "all of the above" option? |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5564 | repub. farmers.. yeah, but republican farmers are the kind of people who cry about their crops failing when they spend thousands of dollars on 2003 ford super duty extended cab trucks and write it off as farm equipment...no prob there right? but then they use those subsidies to get on-star installed in their cab so they dont get lost in their west pasture...and dvd screens so they can watch 8 seconds on the drive back from the rodeo... if these farmers use half the time farming instead of complaining, food would be less of an issue. |
| Posted By: Curious Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5551 | sure max everything will go including food. There are government subsidies for reasons....... There are bad years where crops fail due to acts of god. If there was no assistance to farmers, most would have lost everything and gone out of business years ago. Problem is we NEED things like wheat and vegtables for FOOD! Therefore people in these occupations need some amount of government assistance during bad years. Same thing with the fishery in Newfoundland. People depend on it, it's their livlihood. But when there is foreign overfishing, raping of the seas and depleated cod stocks...... what can these people do? |
| Posted By: Max Powers Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5549 | republican farmers the problem with politics today is... there are just too many republican farmers. they whine to the government about everything. i.e. its too hot, too wet, too cold, too dry.... and then they are always wanting more money from the government. they complain that nothing is right, and then say "but it would be right if you gave us money" thats the problem with politics... i say F U C K republican farmers and all the problems of the world with dissapear with them. |
| Posted By: ----me---- Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5657 | all of the above i totally agree with martian molly |
| Posted By: Martian Molly Posted On: Jul 28, 2003 Views: 5734 | All of the above? Dude. All of the above should definitely have been a choice here. At least most of the above. |
| Posted By: Me Posted On: Jul 27, 2003 Views: 5747 | Politics The solution is obvious: Oddtodd for President!! |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Jul 27, 2003 Views: 5624 | you dont buy it...ok alright, but it sure as hell looks like men cant run the country...at least since abe lincoln's time. after the first two or three bad eggs, im sure we'll elect a great women president and never look back. |
| Posted By: J-town Posted On: Jul 27, 2003 Views: 5567 | The drug dealers would suffer? I don't buy that for a minute. And women can be irrational, just like the men that were mentioned. Putting all women in power wouldn't solve our problems. Along with the sweethearts and goodgirls I know, I've met my fair share of bad girls and evil doers. It's not as black and white as that. |
| Posted By: Stephanie Posted On: Jul 27, 2003 Views: 5602 | It's not $$ Politicians want it's power The corporate world, private sector is where the money lies. Therefore in a capitalist society where we all worship the almighty dollar, the best our countries have to offer are lured that way. Towards success, financial gain etc. Politics does not offer as much financially as the private sector, people are attracted to that field for different reasons. What do politicians have? Power. Power is attractive to the ego. You end up with power hungry, ego swelled mediocre blowhards. All I want from my politicians is for them to just not screw up anything too bad until their term is up and we vote in another round of blowhards, who tell you want you want to hear while they run around racking up frivilous expense accounts, satisfying their own personal agendas. Not that I'm bitter or cynical about the process. hahahaha. |
| Posted By: rigmus Posted On: Jul 27, 2003 Views: 5638 | well well well i think politics are all about money...america used to be this super power and now we jsut survive by transfering money from bank account to bank account and saying we have more money then we actually do...i wanna run for president...my campaigne slogan is "make america tough again" i will appoint hardworking, independent thinkers, that are willing to fight for what is right...a.k.a. "women"... and if i am elected, i will appoint only women to the cabinet and i will do no thinking...trust me america it is better this way...with 13 brillent female minds working on the problems of america, i will be free to tour the globe and make insignifcant public meetings while the state of the nation will increase as im away...my awsome plan: let smart people do stuff for me... im dead seirous...there is no sarcasm in that statement...i believe women shoudl rule the free world...i know i know, but when it coems that time of the month, terrorist liek saddam and osama, not to mention evil drug lords will feel america's wrath!! |
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