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| Posted By: Wizard® Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 Views: 259 | Maybe the war had some unexpected benefits! Perhaps there is some good to come from our little adventure into Iraq. I think that it may prove that some of the arguments favoring a less restrictive interpretation of the Right to Bear Arms are invalid. These are the arguments that point to the need for the citizens to be capable of maintaining a well regulated militia. One train of thought is that this militia is needed to help defend the country from an external invader. Given that such an invader would have to be able to overpower our own military, is it really likely that a militia would do much better? After all, the Iraqi Republican Guard (I still like that name) was easily conquered by our troops, and they would qualify as a well regulated militia by even the loosest interpretation. The other train of thought is that these local militias are needed to fend off a hostile attack by our own Federal government. Once again, given how easily our countrys military was able to conquer the Iraqi Army, is there any way that we can possibly believe that a local militia would pose any form of defense? Keep in mind that Im not saying that the Iraqi war has invalidated all arguments against gun control in the U.S. Ill leave that to someone else who wants to make the connection that since the Second Amendment starts with A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state , then the Amendment no longer speaks to modern times since such a militia is incapable of securing a free state. Still, it would be ironic if this war, which has been used as a means to weaken so many other Rights from the Constitution, particularly Freedom of Speech, ended up weakening the Second Amendment the most. |
| Posted By: Wiseguyly69 Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 Views: 255 | That's kind of fatalistic... You seem to be saying that just because Iraq's army lost badly to the US forces, we should just accept that our militias would lose and so therefore shouldn't have any guns. So if the US gov decides to go all fascist state on our ass, we should just give up because we cannot win? What kind of spirit is that? Just give in cuz you think you'll lose? Goodness, all those who fought against the odds are turning in their graves right now, seeing you concede the battle so easily. I'm not proposing we all go get guns, but if the day comes that the Homeland Security comes to my neighborhood shooting everyone in sight, I want my Ruger .22 handy to shoot 'em a mile away. By the way, following Legion's argument, it may not be a bad idea if every household had it's own nuclear weapon; that would keep the blackshirts out of our neighborhood, fer sure! Wiseguy |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 Views: 247 | RE: for whom? Yes, Im sure it will have big benefits for Haliburton, the Carlyle group, Betchel and the rest of the Big-oil/Military complex corporate ruling class (all on the dime of the Murkin taxpayer for generations to come - neat how that works out, huh?). So lemme work this out - the Iraqi oil has been "seized" by the U.S. Military at a cost to taxpayers of tens of billions, the oil will then be extracted and sold to the Murkin taxpayer, with profits for a few companies of hundreds of billions, and Iraq will be rebuilt by a few lucky U.S. companies, at further cost to the taxpayer of who knows how many billions, which will be "paid for" with the Iraqi oil, presumably by transferring billions to those previously mentioned few companies. So where does the benefit for the Iraqis or the U.S. taxpayer enter into the equation? Don't search too long for the answer, tards. Amazing all the freedom that the Iraqis have now. I wonder if any one of 'em's thought about giving a call to the Serbs to ask how they're doing four years after getting their own taste of "freedom." The Serbs are better off than the Iraqi's will be...because they don't have any oil..So they should be able to re-bound from U.S. imposed "freedom" quite a bit better than Iraq. I don't think being white and being in Europe hurts either. |
| Posted By: Wiseguyly69 Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 Views: 245 | Yeah it's kinda like a great big money laundering scam. That George Dubya, he sure is a slippery little rascal. The best part of this adventure is that I know we've gained a trusted ally in Iraq, who will always be there for the US in times of need. Iraq will present a strong voice for the West in the heated Middle East. They will forever be grateful to the US and will forever be ready to give aid in times of need. By the way, Legion, have you seen Alley Scat's latest display of stupidity over at Barbhoffa's? What a country, huh? WG |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 Views: 237 | RE: not really It's more like the same old shakedown/money-scam/capitalist-pyramid scheme since the advent of fractional/usury banking since we went off the gold standard in the sixties enabling the World Banks to simply print money with no backing - other than the guarantee of "gubbermints" which means YOU AND ME the taxpayers. Yes, it's a very nice scam if you're one of the few in the loop. For the rest of us, well, it's just the shaft, same as we've always gotten all thoughout history courtesy of the ruling class. In the fifties there was no such thing as a "National Debt". Now, we seem to have consumed unborn generations into the pawn shop of the future where a small cabal of international Bankers will pretty much own everything and we the people are basically, sharecroppers who work to pay off "interest" on a perpetual "debt". My my, what progress we have made, eh? Like Vampires, the greatest strength of the Ruling Class Bankers is that most people either deny this exists or simply do not understand what is going on. Yes, I read AlleyKat, you ****ed her off. Dio was right - she is pretty funny, but nowhere near as clever as me. I mean, c'mon now, let's be serious. |