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| Posted By: Tangler100 Posted On: Nov 20, 2003 Views: 546 | The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Now that Al-Queda has again launched another terrorist attack in Istanbul, Turkey, this time killing close to 30 lives and injuring about 450 others (at the British Consulate and a British bank, with the British Consul General, Roger Short, among the dead), I again say the only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-queda. To all our friends in Turkey, the U.K., and elsewhere around the globe who have to cope with all this nonstop physical and psychological murder, I express my deep and sincere condolences. These damn bastards are never gonna give it up. That's why their fate is gonna be like the dinosaurs. Every last damn one of 'em, no matter how long it takes. |
| Posted By: Harry Posted On: Nov 20, 2003 Views: 529 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Although I am a Christian, being born and raised in Istanbul I believe I know more about Islam and Islamic Terror than anyone else here. They actually don't have problems with Christians, I know Armenians like myself (all Christian) from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt etc. They live more comfortable and better treated than their Muslim compatriots. No one bothers them because they are Christians. Who they hate is Israel, and they have problem with the U.S. because we support them. Although Turkish population is almost exclusively Moslem, now Al Qaeda has chosen Turkey as target too, because Turkey acts in cooperation with U.S. and Israel. They have sent troops to Afghanistan, they almost sent troops to Iraq too. Turkish intelligence new that about a 1000 terrorists infiltrated in Turkey (mostly extreme islamic Turkish citizens) trained by Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They thought Al Qaeda had chosen airports and planes as targets. Of course they were always extremely fussy about the security of synagogues and embassies. Parking in front of these structures is prohibited. However there is always traffic running by these buildings, they load 500kg (1100lb) explosives in pick up trucks, as they driving by these buildings they stop and detonate the explosives instantly. There is no cause in the world for a sane person to kill himself, but these terrorists are brainwashed, and believe they'll go directly to paradise when they die in a "war" because it states in Koran that if you are killed in a war you'll automatically qualified to go to paradise, so all you have to do is to make them believe this is a war. That's how the Ottomans used to condition their troops. When people are not afraid of being killed, they are extremely dangerous and extremely hard to stop. Turkey's war against terrorism will be much harder than U.S., because the terrorists are from their people, several different illegal fanatical Islamic factions like Hisboullah and IBDA-C have been established and operating there for many years. Although there have been number of crackdowns and arrests on them, they are pretty strong there. Turks know that there is more to come. They have excellent intelligence and very discipined non-religios armed forces. Good luck to them! |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Nov 20, 2003 Views: 520 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Tangler, you might want to look at Larry Elder's most recent column on the evil of not only al Qaeda but also the fanatical strain running throughout Islam. In a nutshell, several people have been saying what I've said all along: Islam, far from being a "peaceful religion" -if practiced in a 'fundamentalist mode' - is a dangerous and savage religion that teaches, on the one hand, racial/ethnic tolerances, but no tolerance at all for those who disagree with Islam. Yes, yes, the liberal media elite and those who desire the 'political correct' posture will say that I'm being 'insensitive' or whatever. Far from it. Hell, I want to live in peace and harmony too. All I ask is for anyone to read the Bible then the Koran (Quran). Brother Hutch, amoungst others, has tried to proffer the argument that "Islam is still in a sort of infancy state, some 600 years younger than Christianity." The argument loses steam in the fact that many other more modernistic 'religions', from the somewhat traditional Christian-like LDS church to the controversial Scientologists to the Ba'hais are all 'newer religions' that offer zero evidence of toleration for murder, regardless of motive. The argument about Israel is a sham. Yes, I agree that many Zionists are pains in the ass and that Israel expanded when it should have held it's previous borders, but several points are always forgotten when attacking Israel: 1) Prior to the 1940's there was little settlement in Palestine, save for the Jews and a few Arabs. The Jews pretty much built the roads, the houses and public buildings in what had been called Palestine. Even Arabs don't dispute this. 2) No Arab nation has been willing to extend a 'helping hand' to the displaced Palestinians. In fact, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria all gave them (the Palesinians) the boot. So too, did Turkey. I know this from a friend of mine from Michigan, a PhD in Mathematics, who was born in Turkey and was exiled with his family in the 1970's, when he came to America. 3) If and when the Arabs finally "drive the Jews into the Sea", what follows will be interesting. Just as with the in-fighting during the Ottoman Empire, the Arabs, Assyrians, Turks and others will all begin fighting again...against each other, most likely. 4) Discredited material, dated and proven time and again to be false ("The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", the false rumors of Jews eating Christian flesh and drinking Christian blood, etc.) are often used in Arab schools -- even by 'mainline' Islamic teachers/Imams. The unhappy truth is: We face an enemy who is filled with hatred. The good news is: When one stands up to him he - like all bully's - backs off. On your main thesis I tend to agree; only by killing these bastards first and in a methodical fashion will we win. And losing, this time, is no option. atf |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 514 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. We have once again considered all facts, explored all the issues and arrived at the exact same conclusion we always arrive at: Ragheads are evil and must be vanquished. Or is it Commies? Or Injuns? Or the Yellow Peril? I get confused... Anyway, whoever the enemy is, let's just Nuke the sumbiatches and get it over with so humanity can live in peace, at long last. That should at least get us through till the next century where we can discover a 'War' on Mars, which must be fought for freedom at great American expense. And thus ends the Micheal Savage/Bill O'Reilly broadcast for today. |
| Posted By: Harry Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 513 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. "I know this from a friend of mine from Michigan, a PhD in Mathematics, who was born in Turkey and was exiled with his family in the 1970's, when he came to America." Turkish laws are designed using some Italian and some Swiss laws as foundation, and "exiling" does not exist as a form of punishment in Turkey. However there are people who fled the country to avoid a punishment by law. |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 508 | We need to fight the REAL enemy... I say we bomb the Neverland Ranch tomorrow dammit! I still think Jacko's gonna skip the planet altogether, as soon as the mother ship comes for him. Oh yeah..he'll "phone home", you just watch! Imagine a planet full of Mikey Jackson's? A bunch of skinny, androgenous guys who molest kids...but man can they dance! And speaking of alien life forms, I think we need to develop a "planet sized bomb", Leege, to take care of Mars as soon as possible. You can't be too careful...there MIGHT be life there...and it MIGHT be unfriendly! BOMB IT! You've heard of the "mother of all bombs"? This would be the "mother fukker of all bombs"! DIO/ROUGH 2004 "We'll bomb Mars...just to be on the safe side!" |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 499 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Exactly, Rough. See, if we get to Mars, and we will eventually, that just proves it is possible to get to Mars, therefore the Maritans could also possibly develop the technology to COME OVER HERE AND ATTACK US! Even if the lifeform is just microbes, we must strike pre-emptively for freedom. And freedom is never cheap. One fine day in 3030 there will be an American expedition launched to uncover WMDs on Mars, I guarantee it. The mutants will rebel, Howser will be revealed as a double-agent, and Sharon Stone will don a skin-tight jumpsuit to wrestle for our amusement. Unless we have outgrown our tribal warmongering by then, but I doubt it. |
| Posted By: Mikey Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 493 | Please don't give . . . . . . Scientologists any more credit than they have stollen aready. Scientology is a cult founded by a bad science-fiction writer. L Ron Hubbard's greatest claim to fame was the speed with which he turned out his crappy, juvenile novels. His book, Dianetics, and other texts used by the Scientologists read like discarded scripts from Star Trek. They win non-profit tax exclusions through bribery and relentless financial pressure on local city officials. A look at their celebrity spokespersons should give anyone pause - Michael Jackson, John Travolta, Lisa Marie Pressley, Kirsty Alley(sp?), etc. A couple of years ago down in Florida, a young woman died from their wacko caregiving practices. They beat down the man fighting them until he finally turned on his own lawyer and sued him using a Scientologist-paid attorney. Religion has plenty of problems, but don't lump these nut-jobs in with them. |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 490 | RE: Some good points leege & Rough: No, the point isn't to pre-emptively strike anyone Ah, don't know if you've been watching the news, but what you see with the murder of the innocents in Istanbul is a preview f coming attractions for the USA, Britain and - yes - Canada. Harry: Won't dispute what you have to say. You are from Turkey, not I, that's true. It's just that ol' Doc and his family were given the boot. Now I know him to be a fine person, but perhaps someone else in the family wasn't & they were given orders to exile, I don't know. Maybe Doc just went with them. Mikey: Again, I can't dispute what you have to say. Scientology is an all-around weirdo 'religion' to be sure, with allegations of black-mail, even threats of violence. HOWEVER, the concepts of the religion - as laid out by L. Ron Howard - bare no corresponding relationship to the hatred and venom of the Koran/Quron, which was my initial point. Yeah, I agree that this 'movement' could end up with some evidence of sporatic violence, but nothing on the level of the al Qaeda types, to whom some (legion) would apparently placate or attempt to ignore...at great peril, imho. Agree or disagree, some interesting posts. atf |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 482 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. ...and we all know what happens when there's a lull and NO Wars to be fought and Peace breaks out temporarily - Americans fight with each other. (Civil War) So we'll have to discover some new enemies, just like when the Cold War ended. This is when my Mars theory comes into play. It will be very expensive for the American taxpayer, as usual, but in order to ensure freedom and democracy we must strike down the Martian Insugence before they evolve enough to strike us first. Get the evil ones while they're still microbes, I always say. |
| Posted By: Mikey Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 475 | Mars Attacks!! I'm not trying to compare Scientology to religeous extremists, I'm just concerned about folks mistakenly referring to it as a "religion". It is not, it is a self help cult, plain and simple. As far as the Martians, I like the Tim Burton approach: just wait until they land, then start blasting Slim Whitman over loudspeakers until their heads explode. Of course, that might do in quite a few humans as well, but . . . |
| Posted By: Harry Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 474 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Terrorism and terrorists can not be approved regardless of their religion or ideology. No one has right to kill innocent people in the name of Allah, Mohammed, Jesus, Moses or whatever reason. Even though this is called 'Islamic Terror', I do not believe they have ever read and understood Koran. They don't even care about who they kill belongs to what religion. 28 out of 30 they killed yesterday were moslem Turks and 2 Englishmen, and five days ago 20 out of 27 were Turks 7 Jews. Even at 9/11 500 out of 3000 people who were killed were Moslems. All they care about is to cause as big impact and terror as possible in the world. According to experts, profile of a suicide bomber is; Age 18 - 25, from poor families, oppressed by traditions, abused by their parents, no expectations from life, no self esteem. Good thing they do not have the power U.S. has, they wouldn't hesitate to explode the whole world for a second. |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 470 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Yes, al Qaeda is an 'equal opportunity killer' to be sure. My point about Christianity vs. Islam is simple: Islam has many portions of the book that attempt to show people how to live a peaceful and rewarding life. However, intersperced amoungst the more flowery rhetoric are the aggressive missives - particularly toward the end of the Koran - that constantly echo the words "and death to the infidels, the Jews, the Christians and the unbelievers." Contrast that to Jesus words: "It is said an eye for an eye; but I say: when a man strikes you on the cheek, offer him your other cheek" and "blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth" and "love thy enemy." See any differences? Mikey, I tend to agree with you, but I believe the government has recognized them as being a religion, though the Scientologists aren't exectly my cup of tea. On the other hand, the real possibility of them flying planes into buildings is nebulous while the result of 'radical Islam' is quite clear. In final, the argument here is clouded by virtue of some forgetting 'who started what'. Ill grant you that the pre-emptive strike into Iraq was controversial and perhaps unwise in the end. But again: the silence about a proper punishment for the criminals who are about killing those in the West is 'deafening'. I'd love to see the world at peace, but a little history lesson: while the U.S. was yes, at war in the 1860's, take a look around the world and you'd find plenty of bloodshed everywhere. Hatred never begates peace; it does spawn more hatred. In a word, if the radical Moslems were to become more peaceful in the near future...hey, I'm all for breaking bread at the table of brotherhood. Seems like they're the aggressors and all the nay-saying in the world cannot change that fact. atf |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 464 | RE: The only good Al-Queda is a dead Al-Queda. Idiots. Without us, you don't have any power. Where do you think your power comes from anyway? Grows on gubbermint trees? No, we Canucks send it to ya. Same place you git yer Natural Gas and 25% of your gasoline supply from. Canuckistani. But hey, if you don't want it, and you don't want our help, that's fine with us. Fark off then. - "Windsor Star ^ | November 14, 2003 | Sarah Sacheli The U.S.'s tightened post 9-11 security measures helped to keep Detroit Edison customers in the dark Thursday. The Michigan utility company, with an estimated 100,000 customers without electricity, called Windsor Thursday morning asking for emergency help. Enwin Powerlines offered to send 10 linemen and five bucket trucks to help restore power to its American neighbours. But U.S. customs officials refused to issue temporary work permits to the Windsor workers. "It's not like we're not trying to be neighbourly," said Sylvia DeVries, Enwin spokeswoman. She said the American immigration decision defies logic. "Now there's going to be people in Michigan without... " |
| Posted By: Mikey Posted On: Nov 21, 2003 Views: 458 | last point . . . I hate to drag this on but . . . I don't think the US Gov't recoginizes Scientology as a religion. What they have done is accept something like 12 million dollars to achieve "tax-exempt" status. Churches get this as non-profit organizations. But Scientology bribed the gov't with both the money and the offer to cancel over 1000 lawsuits they filed in retaliation for the IRS' attempt to tax there vast wealth. In the agreement, the gov't claims that Scientology in part "advances religious ideas" or something to that effect. Dubious newspeak to make it sound like a religion, which it is not. And even if the gov't classified Scientology as a "religion" it wouldn't matter, this is the same gov't that can't decide if eggs are good for you or how much water to drink on a daily basis and so on. |
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