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| Posted By: legion Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 553 | going bowling for Columbine So? Did you lunkheads know that on the same day as the Columbine high school shootup your country (under Clinton) launched the biggest one-day bombing of Kosovo during the war? But when the media "experts" came to place the blame for Columbine what did they say? BAD KIDS, BAD PARENTS, VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, MARILYN MANSON, NO SCHOOL UNIFORMS, BLAH BLAH...and endless stream of blames, signifying nothing. Might as well suggest a connection between the violence and the fact the kids were supposed to go bowling in the morning for Phys Ed. And yet, nobody suggest there could be a connection between VIOLENCE and the fact that your country was ONCE AGAIN BOMBING ANOTHER COUNTRY. Gee, I wonder why not? I guess wars and REAL killing don't count as 'violence' only videos games and rock and roll songs? Here ya go lugnuts, the truth: Saddam |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 549 | RE: going bowling for a life dude In America we have Jabaroni , in Canada they have you . Just listen to yourself !?!? Like its the ones here from America that come to this boards fault that this all happens ? We didn't need U'r bum buddy Michael Moore to point this out . I knew about it . Theres lots of things that happen the same day . I just took a crap earlier and had a smoke while doing so . Whats your point besides that of ... ? I saw the movie and liked it , but why do you insist on talking about each and every scene every few weeks ? Is this what you base your pathetic life from ? Do you have posters in your room and a lunch box saying "bowling for columbine" ? You seem to like the film and not because of its meaning or anything else besides that of Moore bashing the states . It took a lot of balls to go after Heston the way he did . Atleast he took the time to listen to him . Other than YEAH Charlton has no soul either & Moore's no different . He only did it to make a movie . You wanna hand him a metal and kiss his hairy white ass . Why not do a film on cancer or aids ? Is it because Mike had more stock footage of what we all saw in his film ? You may not have many homicides from guns up in LA LA LAND , but I'm sure your ax murders outnumber them . Besides Canada in most peoples eyes is a vacation hot-spot . It just happens to be home to the likes of you . I don't know whats worse idiots in congress who most of us have no control over or a simpleton that we say shut up to every post or two . I'm going to actually go to Canada some day just be a total asshole to people . I'll go to your bars and see if anyone has the nuts to tell me to my face that I'm an evil American . I fight with my fists not with guns and neither do you guys . Either way it'll be a fair fight , but I'll still win . I always do and have . You see not every American needs a gun . Now I can't leave this post totally insulting you Leege although for some reason you insist on creating waves ? So I'll leave you with this . I liked the movie Hysterical much better . It was a Canadian film created by the Hudson Brothers back in the early 80's . I liked that film much better than Bowling . You might wanna rent it seeing you have so much free time on your hands . JSK |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 548 | RE: going bowling for Columbine BAD KIDS, BAD PARENTS, VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES, MARILYN MANSON, NO SCHOOL UNIFORMS, BLAH BLAH...and endless stream of blames, signifying nothing. ---------------- Are you saying the kids that did it were good ? Most parents today in America need to both work to keep it together . I feel bad for the lady who had to work the 3 or 4 jobs and then come to find out her son shot a little girl at school , but you can blame that one on the uncle whos house they stayed at . Obviously he didn't make it too difficult for the kid to gain access to it . When a kid has a gun at that age what prevents him from shooting it ? All our lives we've grown up playing cops and robbers & you rarly if ever heard of this , but from the 1800's up until today this has unfortunatly happened . Today we have the internet , televison and camera's all over the place to inform the world of it . Did this man have a permit for the fire arm? I don't recall Moore saying anything about that . Most homicides happen with unlisenced weapons , during robberies or drug/gang related . More than 70% of the gangs we have today in America is made up of those not originally from the US . The popular gangs are the blacks and although are from the states would only make up a silent majority if we didn't have the others infesting our system . That was from a poll taken a few years back . I can just imagine how that too has changed . You can stick those into your numbers they posted in that film . (The mention of the blacks in the film) Also , it was the blacks who sold their own to the white slaves owners fully knowing what they were getting . Its been well over 30 plus years and still the blacks blame the white man for anything that goes wrong in their lives . The white man blames the blacks and its a never ending circle . So the idea that the black man ruined it for America is a line of BS . We ruined it for ourselves and contiune to do so . (Why its harder in America) Before we let everyone filter into our country it was much easier . Mom's stayed at home and you ate at the supper table every night . Today most families can't do that . To me thats a problem and it doesn't mean its the families fault ... its society that they live in . Kids need to be watched and supervised to an extent . Without authority it would be anarky. Besides the typicalness of a son or daughter having some problems it never got out of hand as it does today . (ANOTHER PROBLEM) Forigners get more kick backs than any American who's lived here all their lives . Even the illegal ones are getting better treatment than us . Before you go saying NO thats not true take a look around and tell me it isn't . I know tons of people including family members that got screwed over thanks to some f-ing forigner who has the balls to talk **** about us while he or she is in our country ... while they send their money back home , but suck us dry in the process. Every job I've had I saw that happen and I know others do as well . When that adds up we all suffer . This doesn't just ruin a family financially , but mentally as well . Then they have the nerve to complain about how unfairly they have been treated ? Half are f-ing illegal ! All the while some poor American shmuck works his ass off to make minimum wage . Losing his job or having troubles getting one because companies are letting illegals take them over .Or they move the companies over to another country all together . In America the American's are not the majority anymore we are the minority . Tell me that isn't true ? I know pleanty of nationalities who complain about their own . I know the ones who came here and do well . You wanna stay you become a citizen if not you really shouldn't be entitled to what America has to offer . Do we American's come to other lands and sponge ? Maybe some , but nothing like we get . And for those American's who do that do those forigners welcome them into their land ? Then why the hell should we ? But , we do and we wonder why we're in debt . I'm not a racist I'm a realist . Obviously other nationalities have a lot to offer when they come here and I'm not speaking of them all . But , the forigner that does harm to our system is much higher than the typical do nothing American . Thanks to them we all suffer in more ways than one . More people ... more problems . More guns , more drugs , more raping of our system . Its people taking advantage of a system and F-ing it up beyond repair and you wonder why we have whats on the table today ? Illegals and immigrants that do JACK **** make it tougher for the working class American thus ruining what we all had before . Now its tougher to live and this stresses people out to the brink of a serious crime . And take a look at a police report in any city . See what nationality they are before you point the finger at all American's . They say we pick on others ? Well its because more than half the time its them doing it . Actually I looked in my newpaper today and ALL but one listed was that of hispanics , korean or portuguese . The one person who had an American name was arrested for driving without a lisence . The others were for stealing , drugs and other higher crimes . Multiply that by state . (IN CANADA THEY FEEL SAFE ? ) My doors usually unlocked too and I know lots of people here that do the same . Its not like that just in Canada and I'm sure its not like that EVERYWHERE in Canada , but again they focus on it thinking it is . Besides your country is having just as many problems with work , but you don't get half the idiots we get here . Noone wants to live in your country when they can be an American. Its so easy in America to become lazy or become criminal . Its been quite here in the states since Columbine , but this has gone on else where in the world . You just don't hear about it as much . All eyes are on us and who really cares if it happens elsewhere. Seeing this is America the land of the free it actually shocks people enough to care . Scratch the word CARE because I know you don't . (BS about music) Manson ? Like I said the guy had a better message than anyone else . He's an entertainer not the devil . Sure he's a little odd , but who isn't !?! I'd paint my face and say I worship the devil if I would get paid a couple million a year . Ozzy , Judas Priest you name em . They've all been labeled as evil and reasons for both suicide and crimes. Look at Ozzy today he's America and England's # 1 Dad . Once they figure out they are not the problem they seak other outlets to blame what they can't fix . Start off by fixing the system and watching who enters it and what they do while they are here. You don't need to keep an eye on them its all on paper what they do or don't do . Start worrying about why a family which both parents work still lose their house . And lets not talk about violent video games ... I wouldn't know anything about them : )~ Ok , I babbled and am sure someone has been offended , but they couldn't be American thats for sure . JSK |
| Posted By: Mikey Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 534 | RE: going bowling for facts? Oh my god, not the Kosovo thing! Why don't you check what cycle of the moon it was and blame it on that! What do you think? These clowns were sitting around making food baskets for the underprivledged when they turned on the TV, saw the news about Kosovo and thought "Damn! Let's steal some guns, make some pipe bombs, then go and murder our schoolmates! That'll show our contempt for our government!"? Please! I hope you didn't have a straight face when you typed that! 'killer . . . I agree we should go after Heston. But for being such a wooden actor! How the heck did this guy win an Oscar?! But pick on him for being pres of the NRA? A point about his appearance in Moore's movie - just like many other things, Moore lied and deceived about the NRA/Heston situation. First, the NRA's meeting was scheduled years in advance. Under its bylaws and New York state law, the NRA must hold an annual meeting. With advance ticket sales and such, there was no way they could cancel the meeting entirely. So, in a letter to NRA members, Heston and the group's executive vice president, Wayne LaPierre, said all seminars, workshops, luncheons, exhibits by gun makers and other vendors, and festivities would be canceled due to the events at Columbine: "...but the tragedy in Littleton last Tuesday calls upon us to take steps, along with dozens of other planned public events, to modify our schedule to show our profound sympathy and respect for the families and communities in the Denver area in their time of great loss..." Naturally Moore never mentioned this fact. Second, Heston's "Cold dead hands speech" was actually given one year later in Charlotte and was in response to his being given a musket. If you look at the movie again you can see how Moore edited the two seperate speeches to create the supposedly arrogant and heartless remark he wanted for his movie. Notice how Heston's wardrobe changes in from white shirt/red tie to lavender shirt/purple tie after the editing. Heston's apparently callous remark about coming to Denver was actually created by splicing the "Cold dead hands" line from the Charlotte speech into the actual Denver speech: 1) Heston says in reference his own WWII vet status from the Denver speech: "I said to the mayor, well, my reply to the mayor is, I volunteered for the war they wanted me to attend when I was 18 years old. Since then, I've run small errands for my country, from Nigeria to Vietnam. I know many of you here in this room could say the same thing." 2) Then at the end of the next paragraph in that speech Heston says: "As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land." 3) At the end of that speech Heston concludes: "NRA members are in city hall, Fort Carson, NORAD, the Air Force Academy and the Olympic Training Center. And yes, NRA members are surely among the police and fire and SWAT team heroes who risked their lives to rescue the students at Columbine. Don't come here? We're already here. This community is our home. Every community in America is our home. We are a 128-year-old fixture of mainstream America. The Second Amendment ethic of lawful, responsible firearm ownership spans the broadest cross section of American life imaginable. So, we have the same right as all other citizens to be here. To help shoulder the grief and share our sorrow and to offer our respectful, reassured voice to the national discourse that has erupted around this tragedy." NRA members are, above all, Americans. That means that whatever our differences, we are respectful of one another and we stand united, especially in adversity." But Moore cuts and splices to get this fake comment in response to Denver's mayor asking the NRA not to come: "I said to the Mayor: As Americans, we're free to travel wherever we want in our broad land. Don't come here? We're already here!" What utter bullsh*t! And its a similar tactic in regards to the Flint shooting: Heston's speech was from a "Get out the Vote" campaign almost 8 months after the tragedy. But why should little details like facts get in the fat bastard's way? I mean the movie was only a documentary long enough for him to steal an Oscar. Now he calls it a comedy. It's a comedy alright. . . a comedy of errors! |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 525 | My favorite Heston speech? Oh I think you know.... The end of "Planet of the Apes", baby! The sand, the surf, a half buried Lady Liberty, a babe in a loin clothe, and Chucky pounding on the beach! "Noo...Noooooo...YOU BLEW IT ALL UP!!!" Yeah, Chuck Heston's an interesting guy. A lot of people don't realize that he was one of the first celebrities to march with Martin Luther King way back in the early 60s. And now it seems he's fully embraced by those on the right, because he was head of the NRA. He's really run the political gammit, it seems. It may appear to be a strange juxtaposition on the surface, but for Heston I think that the ideas about civil rights and gun control are are all wrapped up together in one all American package. DIO/ROUGH 2004 Damn dirty apes! |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Mar 3, 2004 Views: 518 | RE: going bowling for Columbine Yeah, it's Kosovo time, Mikey. When that pap doesn't cut it, ol' Fluff'll bring out Iraq (forgetting the 50 foot free falls courtesy of Saddam, the rape rooms and the gassing of the Kurds), Vietnam (& quote his new 'hero' the French sounding Lurch Kerry) or perhaps now a quick peek @ Haiti and how the CIA is "killing innocent voodoo priests" or whatever... Hehehe...yep, he is entertaining you must agree. His hero, Michael Moore, is a stupid slob and he is, sad to say, from my home state. Oh yes, he IS the consummate liar but the left sees nothing inherently wrong with lying -- if it's for "the greater good" (RE: The ClintonYears) The WMD shtick is strictly for those grasping at straws. Many in the West: Clinton, Kerry, Dem & GOP Prez' all were in unison that Saddam had WMD. That he appears to not have them is really all right by me, as we have Goofy and Hootie on slabs, Saddam in prison, The 'Elite Republican Guards' on ice and Baghdad Bob...ALIVE!!! Life is good! atf |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 509 | Lying for the "greater good" Like Bushie and the WMDs? Only Bush's lies have cost countless lives in a wholly unnecessary war....IMHO. |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 488 | And then there's this Bush, yet again, shamelessly exploiting the mass murders of 9/11 for political reasons, in his new campaign ad...something he swore he would never do. Yeah right, Bush is the kind of cat who will do anything to hold onto HIS job, despite the 3 million others that have been lost. To make matters worse, Bush still refuses to testify before the 9/11 commission...says he "might"...yeah dude, it did happen on YOUR WATCH...it might be cool if you and your idiot CIA director testified about your gross incompetence. What are you so scared of? It's a 9/11 commission...they won't even bring up the embarrassing lack of WMDs in Iraq. Of course, Lurch Kerry still hasn't lit a fire under me. It's about the most uninspired race I've ever seen. I don't LIKE either guy. But one thing about it, the campaign should be lively enough. Look at how ugly it is already and they still have eight months to go! Their debates should be pretty interesting. It's going to be the "War for the White House"..another snappy term the media could pick up on. Yeah, it's gonna get nasty...those two are going to just about come to blows before it's all over with. Does anyone else think Osama's already been captured? I though it was total bs, but I'm hearing more and more about it, just as the media is reporting that's there's a new "urgency" to catch him and we're "closing in". I loved what Bill Maher said the other night. He said that Bush was going to parade Osama into the Republican Convention in NYC all bound and gagged, like Mighty Joe Young! Hmmm, I could see it...stranger things have happened. DIO/ROUGH 2004 |
| Posted By: Mikey Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 486 | RE: It's go time, baby! I agree about the race for the presidency. You knew it was going to get ugly when Kerry pre-empted any Bush response with the "...don't start your smear campaign" remark last month. It's probably going to be one nasty attack after another until November. I think the success of Clinton's rapid response campaign against Bush the elder has changed the tenor/tactics of campaigning for any public office. As far as Osama goes, it wouldn't surprise me to see them drag both him and Saddam around for the pr value. But seriously, if they do or have captured him, it will give Bush the presidency despite economic or civil liberty concerns. And the CIA director - that clown ought to be going door to door to apologize to the families of those who died in the 9/11 attacks. To f*ck things up like that over petty territorial concerns is unconscionable. |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 482 | Osama Some people would argue that Clinton botched getting Bin Laden...that he should have been taken care of on Clinton's watch. I could understand that argument, in part. He apparently ALMOST got him once, but almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. I would still argue that, despite the 93 attack on the WTC, there just wasn't nearly the same degree of urgency to catch or kill the guy while Clinton was in there, it goes without saying. Despite the 93 attack and subsequent attacks on US interests, a lot of Americans STILL didn't have a clue who the guy was until he killed 3,000 on 9/11, so there wasn't a cohesive public outcry to spend a lot of time, money, and resources to get Bin Laden and dismantle Al Queda. After 9/11 all that changed and now over two years since it happened and still no Osama and Al Queda's still in business. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, never attacked us, and apparently had neither the will or capability to do so. By occupying Iraq we have only further fed the fire of the white hot extremists...we've shaken the hornet's nest and now Al Queda seems to be teaming up with any number of insurgent groups to set up shop in Iraq, much in the same way that they had done in Afghanistan. Lest we forget, Al Queda was NOT a force in Iraq before the government was dismantled. The instability of no government produces anarchy and is the breeding ground for terrorism, so we have brought this on ourselves..we are FEEDING the cancer. Al Queda has flooded into Iraq and may completely take root there, actually growing stronger in the long run, because we invaded the country! Like I've said before, we're fighting this "War on Terror" the wrong way. It's not a fight you win with conventional warfare. For starters we should have concentrated solely on Al Queda. I would have actually supported Bush on that, on getting that ONE group that we KNOW was behind the 9/11 attacks. I would argue that, with a fight like this, you need to rely MORE on defense and intel. A largely offensive fight only spreads the terror and feeds the extremist mentality. It's a fight fought largely with brains over brawn, IMHO. The 9/11 attacks happened well into the Bush presidency and he should at the very LEAST have the common decency to testify at these hearings. I know that Clinton and Gore have been called on and, I believe, already agreed to testify. Tenet's CIA is a friggin' MESS, to say the least, and I think this guy definitely needs to testify. His callous dismissal of the completely botched WMD intel as just a little bureaucratic boo boo was deplorable, at best. I'm sure there's A LOT about pre 9/11 intel that he doesn't want to see the light of day. Quite a bit has already leaked out and revealed an intelligence agency that was lazy and slack and totally dropped the ball in the time leading up to 9/11. |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 477 | RE: oh. and something else to chew on... ...I, too, knew nothing of bin Laden. Whoever screwed up aking him in was a definite fool. Funny thing; in 1996 I told anyne who would listen that the U.S. gumint was WAY too anxious to kill Timothy McVeigh. Said I at the time: Keep him alive for a while, let him stew in the can for a couple of years and all those alleged 'Arab-looking male' suspects in Oklahoma City can be either evaluated and tossed into the hopper or we can find out who REALLY helped ol' McVeigh. Knew then what I know now: McVeigh never acted alone...and I don't mean that idiot from Michigan or the moron from AZ. I'll leave it at that. atf |
| Posted By: Bear Posted On: Mar 4, 2004 Views: 474 | RE: going bowling for Columbine OK ATF, the next thing you're going to come up with is McVeigh and Bin Laden aided Lee Harvey Oswald. We've finally found those gunmen on the grassy knoll!! As for Legion, I'm sure that you're familiar with the expression "kicking a dead horse." Tell me, is it fun? |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Mar 5, 2004 Views: 469 | RE: going bowling for Columbine War on Terror = The Maginot Line (false illusion of security) |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: Mar 5, 2004 Views: 464 | RE: going bowling for Columbine Bear, stop it! Hehehe No, I'm simply saying that the gubmint needs to say anyone who acts in the way Oswald or McVeigh acted alone; the lone gunman. But read about the killing of the Denver talk show host (Alan Berg) and about other racist orgs. They tend to be in very small cells, never a 'mafia family' type thing, and they tend to justify their actions by saying it's for a greater good. Anyway, Berg's author told of how it is alleged that several members of 'The Order' attempted to gain access to Iraqi nationals through an Iraqi 'Travel Agency' (one of which was about an hours drive from Terry Nichols house). I know that to be true. I also know many Arabs in he Detroit area were and are sympathetic to McVeigh. McVeigh wasn't a Christian, btw, and HE, in turn, had many friends who had contacts in the Muslim community. About those contacts? We'll never know. Unka Sammy whacked him before he could talk. belee dat... atf, have a nice day |
| Posted By: Rough Posted On: Mar 5, 2004 Views: 459 | Timmy McVeigh Oh, you just know there were some cover ups with McVeigh and I'm sure we'll never know that whole story. I've always found it chillingly interesting that the attack was done in much the same way the first WTC atack was done. As for JFK, man I've run the gammit with that one. For a while I thought the Mafia, for a while the CIA, for a while LBJ. When you look at the whole picture...the way the Kennedy brothers screwed the mob, as well as Jack Ruby's "involvement", I definitely lean more towards organised crime. I think we may give our government a little too much credit insofar as being able to cover something like that up. And then of course, there's the theory that plays kind of fast and lose and has seedy, cloak and dagger factions of the government working in conjunction with the mob and LBJ. Insofar as actual gunmen involved, the more I hear the more I really do think that Oswald could have conceivably been the only one in Dealey Plaza that day. |
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