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| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: May 21, 2004 Views: 252 | not titillating and not on topic... ...but what the hell, this isn't Hoffa's Haven or Crystal Productions Q&A board. Did anyone else say an "amen" to Bill Cosby's remarks at the 50th anniversary of the Brown Vs Bd of Ed Supreme Court decision dinner? Briefly, Cos said that the "lower end of the social pole haven't kept up their end of the bargain" because their children are totally uneducated and cannot speak English properly. The head of the NAACP and some other speakers were blown away and speechless. Isn't it time that no one gets a free pass? Isn't it time for all members of EVERY tribal unit to say that there is 'no excuse for improper language and behaviour?' Right on, Cos.... Belee dat... atf |
| Posted By: Dionysus Posted On: May 21, 2004 Views: 248 | Go on.... Your going to have to elaborate on that one Fonz. I lost your point? Is it a cultural thing I'm not getting here? Go on, explain it to me. Bill Cosby black comedian? Toodle pip Dio |
| Posted By: Hutch Posted On: May 21, 2004 Views: 244 | RE: not titillating and not on topic... In case ATF is busy elsewhere.... In 1954 there was a Supreme Court decision, Brown vs. Board of Education, that said, in effect, that deliberately segregating children by race (as was allowed in a 'separate but equal' Court decision from 1898) was inherently unequal and that schools should be desegrated "with all deliberate speed". Was one of the high-water marks of the Civil Rights movement in the USA, and even the most hidebound conservative isn't likely to call for a return to Plessy vs. Ferguson (the 1898 case) What ATF is alluding too is that despite desegregation and more money pumped into education opportunities for Black Americans, the test scores and graduation rates still tend to be dismal. Bill Cosby, although a comedian is also active in Black causes and was in effect saying, we've (meaning Black America) have not worked hard enough to expand the opportunities we have been given. In other words, the door has been opened but we have not strode proudly through it. Well, as a die-in-the-wool liberal (actually, I don't like wool and hate lamb) I could point out the large number of black college graduates and that most black students are still in inner-city schools that don't get the best teachers or equipment...but the point is well taken, because these types of failures extend to even Middle class and well-to-do blacks in America. Doubt Cos will be heard over the Boom Boxes and Rappers in the 'hood....and maybe another generation lost. |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: May 21, 2004 Views: 235 | RE: RE: RE: not titillating and not on topic... What if...they don't want to 'work hard' in order to 'achieve stuff' and 'accomplish goals'?? Maybe they just want to lounge about smoking crack and doing nothing? Nothing wrong with that, IMO. Rich people do it all the time, when they're not busy hunting foxes, that is. Check out socialite Paris Hilton and her cupidstunt friend Nicole Ritchie on that moronic TV show. These two dopes have never worked a day in their lives, and yet....no one seems to regard their lack of work ethic as a moral/ethical failure? Why not? Because they were already rich. Therefore = having NO MONEY is a personal moral and ethical failure having nothing at all to do with society. (same attitude as a hundred years ago - how far we have evolved as a species...) |
| Posted By: alfonsothefan Posted On: May 21, 2004 Views: 224 | RE: not titillating and not on topic... Thank you, Hutch. Dio, hope that that clears up some USA lingo/between the lines stuff. Actually, leege, I tend to agree with you to a point. I really don't wanna do much of anything and can understand the wonderfulness of sitting around and smokin' dope. Still, if you are so simplistic and goofy as to reject education (btw, Sparky Anderson, baseball manager, retired, once said: "I never read a book and I don't know the reason why we place so much importance on it!" Kid you not) and proper grammer, well...I do have a problem with that. Granted, L-man, there's lotsa folks who will judge you by the size of your wallet. I am not one of those. I do prefer people who have at least a general grasp of world events and some knowledge about something aside NASCAR and rasslin'... atf |