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| Posted By: James Carville Posted On: Dec 11, 2004 Views: 810 | Dam You know, back in 2000 a Republican friend of mine warned me that if I voted for Al Gore and he won, the stock market would tank, we'd lose millions of jobs, and our military would be totally overstretched. You know what? I did vote for Al Gore, he did win, and I'll be damned if all those things didn't come true. -- James Carville |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Dec 11, 2004 Views: 805 | RE: god speaks directly to Shrub A Bush supporter's political primer: 1. The government is here to make you safe. 2. Anyone who questions the government is either an evil-doer, or a deluded fool who isn't ready to make the hard choices neccesary to be safe. 3. The evil-doers will attempt to use the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights to protect themselves while they work to take away your safety. 4. Because of #3, the government has wisely decided that they will not fall into the trap of being limited by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights while working for your safety. 5. Reporters or news organizations that publish information that (they claim) reflects poorly on the government, are fringe organizations with no real credibility. 6. The only "main stream" and credible reporters and news organizations are those that act responsibly, by making sure that only positive information about the government's actions is published. 7. In light of point #5, no news organization that repeatedly questions the actions of the government could be considered "main stream", credible, or unbiased. 8. In light of point #6, no reporter who only prints positive news about the government could be considered "fringe" or biased. 9. Almost any person, group, or nation, that doesn't back the actions of the government 100%, is either deluded, weak, cowardly, living in a dream world, or blinded by hate. 10. A few of those who don't back the government 100%, have more sinister motives. They have a "hidden agenda" which guides their failure to support the government 100%. 11. If any of the weak, deluded, cowardly, or blinded-by-hate people were to suggest that supporters of the government might also have a "hidden agenda", then they are engaging in silly "conspiracy theories". 12. Always remember, the evil-doers hate your freedom. There are no other reasons for their actions. It's their hate for your freedom that drives them, nothing else. Don't attempt to look any deeper into the issues involved. Remember two words: hate and freedom. 13. We liberated Iraq. We did it because we won't stand idly by and see innocent women and children murdered by a brutal dictator. The Iraqi people are now free, and safe from Sadaam's secret police. We were not motivated by oil. Anyone who suggests that we were motivated by oil, is condoning the death of innocent women and children at Sadaam's hands. Remember: We had no motivation but the desire to protect innocents from Sadaam. 14. Some of the weak, deluded, blinded-by-hate, and cowardly people may attempt to bring up our government's support of Sadaam and our government's support of the Taliban. This is a lie, motivated by thier "hidden agenda". Remember these points: a) The government NEVER supported Sadaam. b) Clinton did it too. c) The French did it too, and they didn't stop when we stopped. This means that we're not guilty, but they are. 15. Some weak deluded fools will bring up the wildly inflated, over-blown, and sensationalized accounts of women and children being killed by our soldiers in Iraq. These stories are mostly lies, told by people too stupid to understand that they are playing into the hands of the evil-doers by discussing this. We never harmed any women or children. In fact, Sadaam would have killed them anyway if we hadn't invaded.... so we basically gave them a few extra months of life by deposing Sadaam. Our pilots and artillery crews feel true sorrow each time they learn of massive civilian deaths, which is much better than the emotions of the evil-doers, so don't cheapen our troop's feelings by critisizing them about the child deaths. There you go folks. With this list, you'll never be at a loss for the proper words. - fark.com |
| Posted By: Steve Whitlow Posted On: Dec 11, 2004 Views: 782 | RE: Dam The right-wing fascination with the French is something I'd love to see a great psychologist such as Freud or Jung really sink his teeth into and analyze. Obviously France is going to look out for number one just as Togo, one of the four or five Coalition of the Willing partner, is going to look out for the Togos or Togas or Toganese or whatever they're called. My hunch is the red-state folks see the French as limp-wristed, socialist, intellectual wine-sippers, who want to work 20 hours a week, if that. And those distorted "values" (actually I kind of like 'em) are antithetical to the John Wayne, uber-capitalistic, types who've embraced (or been brainwashed to embrace) the Protestant work ethic--the idea that you prove your worth by screwing enough folks to get rich and/or working yourself into a heart attack by age 50. |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Dec 12, 2004 Views: 776 | RE: 1st year psych The 'fear' of terrorism gives meaning to otherwise meaningless lives - They just like having someone to hate. This is why we fabricate 'us vs them' social constructions - tribalism. The old saying about how we have a space-age society and a stone-age brain is quite accurate, IMO. Evolutionary behaviourism 101. |
| Posted By: Steve Whitlow Posted On: Dec 12, 2004 Views: 772 | RE: Dam "They just like having someone to hate." I agree with that, but it just seems like Americans have typically focused their hatred more on one group or another, and you honestly hear more from the Rushes and Hannities and Savages of the right-wing media world about "the Frogs" (that's what the Germans called 'em) than those swarthy, bearded fellows who hate the Great Satan and want us out of their region so badly they are willing to strap themselves to bombs and, as Jim Bob on SCTV would say, "Blow themselves up real good." I remember a scene in Godfather II where Michael Corleone decides to pull out of an investment deal in Cuba when he sees that an insurgent is willing to blow himself up rather than surrender to the cops. Anyway, maybe the deal with the French is that we can identify more with them than with the so-called Islamic-fascists (a corruption of the word "fascist" but that's what we call 'em), or maybe we can just understand them better. I'm not sure anyone can understand the suicide bomber types very well. I think we might see the French as a kind of Jungian shadow type for Americans--in other words, a sort of alter-ego which our public selves (our persona, which in Latin means "mask") claim to despise, but which is actually very much a part of our personality. Or then it could just be that we hate their guts! ;> Actually I don't think much about them one way or the other, though I'd like to visit one of these days. I hear Bordeaux and Provence are lovely in the spring. |
| Posted By: James Carville Posted On: Dec 12, 2004 Views: 753 | RE: Dam Boys, boys, boys. Relax. It was meant as humor. Not as a "Legion" cut and paste job. Seeing how there's about 10 guys who ever visit here, I think we all know where "Legion" comes from..(Ugly visual...guy in a trailer...about 50 or 60, and no chance of ever having sex again in his life) Doesn't matter. Some people would rather be politically correct, then wining and dining and having male/female sex. Pull out the credit card. Legion. Get a date. Buy her dinner. Schmooozz her over to your place. Suggest that you and her slip into something more comfortable...then take a break, go to the ATM. and come back home. Put the fistful of hundreds on your dressar. Then get laid! If anyone ever needed to get laid, Legion..it would be you. Hey, this isn't flaming. It's all about you and your hate for women. Don't think your gay...but you really don't get along with females, do ya? |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Dec 13, 2004 Views: 734 | RE: Dam 1. The government is here to make you safe. Yes, but we should also protect ourselves. Our right to bear arms is for the people in whatever case even if it means overthrowing the government.If it means fighting a war noone else will then so be it. Its either fight now or later on in life. Its a no brainer just by looking at what these countries are creating and building ... for what reason besides power. And just look at how Saddam chose to use his power. Your just seeing Saddam in shackles when you see him on tv. They don't show you anything else so thats edged in the back of your mind. Corruption and slaughter. Thats what they haven't shown enough of. The real history behind Iraq. 2. Anyone who questions the government is either an evil-doer, or a deluded fool who isn't ready to make the hard choices neccesary to be safe. In this elections case they are not evil doers ... instead its the ones (me) who voted for Bush. In our country you can question the government to an extent just as much as most others countries. But, we don't get our limbs chopped off for doing so. 3. The evil-doers will attempt to use the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights to protect themselves while they work to take away your safety. We call it the bill of rights and other countries have other names for what they stand for. The countries that don't have a system of some sorts are the ones you have never heard about. Now your using this paragraph to go against the first one. The bill of rights simply inforce rules. They can be changed and basically with all the forign scum bags coming into our country sadly it will be. You can't even sing Christmas carols anymore without some idiot crying about it. I know caroling shouldn't be a government issue, but somehow it will be. Very petty. 4. Because of #3, the government has wisely decided that they will not fall into the trap of being limited by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights while working for your safety. No comment 5. Reporters or news organizations that publish information that (they claim) reflects poorly on the government, are fringe organizations with no real credibility. Depends on the organizations agenda. Theres pleanty of orgs that are credible, but lots that are quite sketchy. Look around and tell me all of them are not a line of BS. Its the governments job to watch out for those as well which ****es people off. 6. The only "main stream" and credible reporters and news organizations are those that act responsibly, by making sure that only positive information about the government's actions is published. Oh really? And how would you know reading and believing the garbage you do? Ever since the first publication has been created (New Yorker, Boston Harold, ect) they have more than a couple hundred times trashed the government. You really need to stop reading the "daily mirror." Its worse than "the star magazine". 7. In light of point #5, no news organization that repeatedly questions the actions of the government could be considered "main stream", credible, or unbiased. BULL*** I'll quickly throw another out of my hat. In regards to magazines ...RollingStone. For news channels in America take your pick ...abc,nbc all of which has always brought up the goods and bads throughout our history. Even more so now. How would you know? Your too wrapped up in watching "Ed the Sock" show. 8. In light of point #6, no reporter who only prints positive news about the government could be considered "fringe" or biased. Theres no reporter that only prints positive news dummy. It doesn't sell. 9. Almost any person, group, or nation, that doesn't back the actions of the government 100%, is either deluded, weak, cowardly, living in a dream world, or blinded by hate. Name a group that isn't. Name a person our government has doved evil (besides Saddam) and I'll tell you different. I'm getting bored so I'm going to skip ......... 13. We liberated Iraq. We did it because we won't stand idly by and see innocent women and children murdered by a brutal dictator. The Iraqi people are now free, and safe from Sadaam's secret police. We were not motivated by oil. Anyone who suggests that we were motivated by oil, is condoning the death of innocent women and children at Sadaam's hands. Remember: We had no motivation but the desire to protect innocents from Sadaam. It was done for the good of Iraq and the world. Saddam was and is an evil person. With you being on the internet so much I can't believe you hadn't seen what he did to his people before the war took place. You really think the middle east was a playground before? Its now in the light and full blown media. Its the extremists and Saddam loyalists that still kill their own and the coalition forces. But, for some reason you still don't get it? 14. Some of the weak, deluded, blinded-by-hate, and cowardly people may attempt to bring up our government's support of Sadaam and our government's support of the Taliban. This is a lie, motivated by thier "hidden agenda". OUR government? I think what you mean to say is the american government because I thought you were canadian? You really should learn to write for yourselve Leege. Quit going to Fark all the time to get your lame info and jokes. Sure, America backed Saddam in the early 80's and before hand. But, it was done under other circumstances far different than todays. Back then we didn't want to deal with the Middle east and allowed others to deal with it themselves. Look at history and see the killings, wars and terrorism before we stuck our foot on their soil. Whats going on now is NOTHING compared to the wars they and their people have gone through. Remember these points: a) The government NEVER supported Sadaam. b) Clinton did it too. c) The French did it too, and they didn't stop when we stopped. This means that we're not guilty, but they are. And so hasn't Russia, Germany ...... basically every country in Europe bent down and kissed Saddam's ass. Even your country Leege. The point please? Now onto the original poster. I voted for Gore also but for much different reasons :) Always good to start the week off with Leege downing the United States of America. Something would be wrong if he didn't. JSK |
| Posted By: legion Posted On: Dec 14, 2004 Views: 721 | RE: Dam America has been fabricating reasons to attack a looooooong series of impoverished, near defenseless, third world tinpot dictatorships ever since WW2 ended. The invention of nukes made it impractical for the so-called 'great' powers to make war on each other, so they had to find other victims for the latest campaign of American determinism (manifest destiny). After 50 years of murder and slaughter, preemptive 'self defense' invasions and covert paramilitary meddling in the affairs of other countries accomplishing nothing, they are still at it. Dumb farks. Here's a crazy idea - why don't you leave those people alone? |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Dec 14, 2004 Views: 713 | RE: Dam Yeah why didn't we leave lots of other countries alone to be taken over in the past. Why not just leave Iraq alone like everyone else? The way I see it and many others do is that it wouldn't have gotten any better for them or the rest of the world. Saddam (not Iraq) would only profit and become stronger. This is not what anyone wants .... aside from people like you. Its obvious you don't care about anyone besides yourself. At this point its the American's suffering just as many deaths as "innocent" iraqis so why are you complaining? JSK |
| Posted By: Steve Posted On: Dec 14, 2004 Views: 707 | RE: Dam "At this point its the American's suffering just as many deaths as "innocent" iraqis so why are you complaining?" Actually that's not close to being right. One respected news source has reported that upwards of 100,000 Iraqis have been killed. The U.S. lost its one thousandth soldier in combat just the other day. I think many people are finally beginning to see that this neo-con dream of establishing a stable, democratic, pro-Western Iraq is just that--a dream. When thousands upon thousands of fanatics are willing to blow themselves and as many people as they can take out to kingdom come, it really doesn't matter how many troops you have or what your strategy is. All we're accomplishing over there is now is death on a massive scale, and it's a terrible shame. |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Dec 15, 2004 Views: 688 | RE: Dam Innocent Iraqis that we killed? I think not. And by innocent I also mean the ones who walk the streets waving to our men and women only to toss a bomb at them later on that evening. You can thank the mess not only on the United States and England, but all the countries who this time didn't back the invasion ... only because they were getting kick backs from Saddam. And Steve more Iraqis have been killed by Saddam than by this "after war" effect. Its only a mess because noone did anything about it until now. JSK |
| Posted By: THE MEDIA Posted On: Dec 15, 2004 Views: 684 | RE: Dam One respected news source has reported that upwards of 100,000 Iraqis have been killed. Really? Only one and funny no other news source mentions that number besides the one your claiming. I guess some will believe one thing they hear from ONE source? TM |
| Posted By: Steve Posted On: Dec 15, 2004 Views: 680 | RE: Dam "Thanks to an extraordinarily courageous academic team working jointly for the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, the Columbia University School of Nursing and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, we now have an answer to the unasked question. After surveying thousands of households in Iraqi communities, they conservatively estimate that approximately 100,000 civilians have died as the direct or indirect result of the war. More than half of those who have died are women and children. "Violence accounted for most of the excess deaths," according to the reports summary, "and air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths." www.thelancet.com Of course other studies say it's more like 20,000. Does it really matter? How can anyone countenance such massive death tolls when most people don't even understand why they had to die? I sure hope no one is deluded enough to think that hellhole is going to become the de facto 51st state or anything remotely pro-Western. It may become democratic for a few months, or at least until our troops leave. Democracy doesn't work when it's enforced with the bayonet. |
| Posted By: JSK Posted On: Dec 15, 2004 Views: 678 | RE: Dam Bull s h it |
| Posted By: James Carville Posted On: Dec 15, 2004 Views: 675 | RE: Dam Hey, will you a s s h o l e s get out of my thread? It was meant as a joke...not as another thread for you internet polticians to jump in on, hijack and ruin. Ka F U C K I N G, C H R I S T. Jump on someone else, OK. Take over someones elses' thread. Or start your own. That way we can avoid and ignore reading the same crap over and over and over again from the same 2 or 3 guys who seem to want to one "up" each other. |
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