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| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 16, 2005 Views: 1403 | In response to Bubbap """"""Bubbap said: You guys attempt to put forward arguments, but they are so flawed that Keith doesnt need discredit you, your arguments do this on their own. """""" So, my arguments were flawed? Let's take a look at the facts: """"""Nick said: I would like to make a video request. ... To hard? Imagine what I must've had to do to fake my videos... *sarcasm* ... I *know* my video doesn't show my face or me actually constructing the mechanism. My whole point above is to illustrate to the hard-headed that it would be impossible to fake my video, given those rules. ... """""" """"""Keith said: I could easily duplicate your video, no problem at all. """""" See how Keith's first response to my argument didn't actually attack the argument at all, but instead went off on this side tangent, then proceeded to make fun of me? """"""Nick said: Fine enough. My only point was that you would have to employ some sort of trickery in setting it up. If you abided by my rules in the first post, you would have to show the assembly of the apparatus in the video. """""" See how I respond by trying to bring the topic back to the original point? the point was that if you followed my rules, it would be near impossible to fake it. He responds like this: """"""Keith said: You mean just like your video failed to meet your own requirements. Or have I missed something? """""" See? The funny thing about this is that I said this myself. Look at the top of this post to see me saying the same thing. This again is not the point of the topic, but Keith is straying from the main point yet again, as evidenced by the bright fellow thegrogen, who spotted this lame attempt by Keith: """"""thegrogen said: Keith, he SAID that he didn't show the setup and stuff. Perhaps he can make another vid? Also, let's see your version of it. """""" When confronted with this fact, Keith responds by just simply lashing out at everyone. """"""Keith said: It's time you started to face up to reality. You have been watching far too many Hollywood films, it's not real you know. Nobody really has super powers. Get used to it. """""" So I tell him what thegrogen said: """"""Nick said: >You mean just like your video failed to meet >your own requirements. >Or have I missed something? Nope, you haven't missed anything. As a matter of fact, you have repeated exactly what I said in my first post. It's nothing new, so thank you Keith for stating the obvious. Haha... """""" and he still responds by sidetracking the topic of this thread yet again: """"""Keith said: Your disclaimer is meaningless. All you are saying is that we have to trust you, even though it's not shown on the video. In that case you have to trust me as well, I can do it too! """""" I respond by showing him what the actual main point was, so maybe he wouldn't remain so confused: """"""Nick said: >The flipside to this is, if >you can make the video above, >it would totally and without >a doubt show that small teeny >wind current can move a straw >and thereby mimick true TK. This is the statement, my whole argument in fact, that you haven't responded too. You shift the topic away from my arguement, then blame me for not having an argument? That's pretty funny, actually. """""" So Keith bows out: """"""Keith said: Nick, You are not helping your case one bit, nor the argument in support of TK. I can't be bothered with you anymore, you are way too repetative and illogical. Go to a TK site instead. Goodbye. """""" So not once did he actually respond to my real argument, but instead chose to divert it to a different topic that he could attack better. So Bubbap, my argument wasn't flawed, like you said above, but rather Keith jsut didn't respond to it at all. Not only that, but there actually isn't anything wrong with my argument that I restated several times here, and in the original thread. If you would like to show why it is so silly, then go ahead and actually argue the right way instead of like a little baby. Go sulk like Keith. |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 16, 2005 Views: 1400 | RE: In response to Bubbap To quote a much smarter and open minded man than you "Nick, You are not helping your case one bit, nor the argument in support of TK. I can't be bothered with you anymore, you are way too repetative and illogical. Go to a TK site instead. Goodbye." I gotta go sulk now!!!! Bye! |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 16, 2005 Views: 1393 | RE: In response to Bubbap >To quote a much smarter and open minded man >than you Wow, here I present a solid argument, and instead of saying anything in response, you simply skip to the "Keith End-phase." How interesting. |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 16, 2005 Views: 1389 | RE: In response to Bubbap You just don't get it do you Nick? You are not being taken seriously. You are not capable of rising to a valid argument about anything. Frankly, responding to you is a waste of time. You have an answer for everything whether it is a valid one or not, so go ahead and post another responce to this, it still will not be taken seriously. You are out of your league and it is as simple as that. This will be my last responce to you as I will not waste any more time on you. Goodbye! |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 16, 2005 Views: 1383 | RE: In response to Bubbap >You have an answer for everything whether it is >a valid one or not, so go ahead and post >another responce to this, it still will not be >taken seriously. Unfortunately for you, you are incapable of showing anyone where exactly their argument is invalid. al lyou can do is keep saying that it is invalid. Who is the one repeating themselves? I'm sorry, but if you can't actually point out where my argument is invalid, then you can't actually be taken seriously. |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1366 | RE: In response to Bubbap Wow, Buppap, you can quote someone. I'm speechless, so I guess I'll just have to quote myself: "Wow, Buppap is such a retard!" |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1355 | RE: In response to Bubbap "Wow, Buppap, you can quote someone. I'm speechless, so I guess I'll just have to quote myself:" "Wow, anomaly is such a retard!" Did I get it right? |
| Posted By: anomaly Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1351 | RE: In response to Bubbap You have arguement manipulation skills like keith!!! You are showing promise already. Maybe one day you'll be as good as keith? Who knows? |
| Posted By: Bluetears Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1347 | RE: In response to Bubbap So now that there are two topics about it. Is anyone going to actually respond to Nicks state that it would be near impossible to fake tk given the set up procedure? I mean is anyone actually going to be able to tell me how you could fake it when in plain view during everything like he said? |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1338 | RE: In response to Bubbap Ah bluetears, now your colors are showing. I have visited many sites, not that it matters as a website offers no proof what so ever. I have tried to perform TK many times and failed (as I thought I would) How could you possibly know if I am a scientist or not? (Oh yes you probably have supernatural powers, sorry, I forgot). Since TK'ers are the ones claiming to have the ability, the onus falls on them to prove it. You do not have to be a genius to figure that one out, as that is a basic scientific prerequisite. Remember to be taken seriously you need to provide proof of what you claim. Since you can not do what you claim, you have not and will not provide proof. No, instead you claim I want to be force feed proof. This is absolutely typical of a person whose claims, in my opinion, are unsupported! It is funny when someone asks you to prove your claims, you become so aggressive. What are you afraid of bluetears? Oh I know what you are afraid of, being exposed for being what you are! Wrong! Provide solid proof and I will eat my words. Guess I will go hungry! |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1336 | RE: In response to Bubbap Sorry I posted this responce in the wrong area. This has been properly posted in the "Anyone figured it yet?" post. Disregard my last post here. Thanks |
| Posted By: Bluetears Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1324 | RE: In response to Bubbap hmmmm, so is anyone actually going to be able to say anything yet? |
| Posted By: Nick Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1308 | RE: In response to Bubbap I don't think so BT, because there really isn't anything for them to say to my argument in the first place. See, they confuse their inability to counter my argument with me not having one. Simple misunderstanding, :P |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 17, 2005 Views: 1300 | RE: In response to Bubbap Nick, What argument? As far as I can make out all you have done is request that I make a video faking TK, and make it under conditions that you have stipulated. That is not an argument, that is a request. It is not even a request that argues the existence of TK one way or the other. My 'Silly Stuff' videos are there to demonstrate how easy it is to fake TK videos. You have not produced a video showing yourself doing TK under those conditions, so there is no point in me faking something that hasn't been done. You do it as a demonstration of your TK then I will fake it. What could be more reasonable? Until then you are just making a lot of noise about something that has not been done, which is totally pointless. You call that an argument and demand that I reply to it! Stop being silly and just deliver the video, then I will do the same. Simple. |
| Posted By: Bluetears Posted On: May 18, 2005 Views: 1292 | RE: In response to Bubbap Lol, Keith once again you have managed to miss the point. So let me spell it out for you. If you can't understand it after this then you have some seriouse problems. Ok, what Nick said was not a request directed toward you! It was for everyone. Also his whole point of it is that with those stipulations he doesn't believe it would be really possible to fake a TK video. Now if you can fake it, then please do and show everyone once and for all that absolutely under no cercumstances is a video real proof. And I would personally like to know how you would go about faking a video under his cercumstances. THis is not about if your videos are real or fake. THis is not about if Nick's videos are real or fake. This is simply about how you would fake a video under the given conditions if it is possible to do so at all. If you do not understand please go back to elementary. |
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