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| Posted By: Zack Posted On: May 30, 2005 Views: 1945 | Control Regardless of whether certain things are possible, there is always elements of control. Consider our primary focus. One of the golden statements; 'survival of the fittest'. Why have manatees become endangered? Why are the alligators endangered? Why is the do do bird extinct? That is because, something stronger, a more powerful force took a hold of it. It is the same way with cultures, politics, and religion. They have all been developed to control you. Albeit that more people than not need that control. They need the sense of reason and protection. Christianity took a hold of other religions and shook it apart. Democracy is dominating the communists. Europe is dominating economically. China is dominating in population. America is dominating in technology, movie industry, and etc. Why do these subjects dominate? Because they have the control. And how do these subjects gain control? Well it is the same reason when you watch a commerical on the T.V. and say, wow, I really want that. They make you believe they are the better faction. Democracy is a good controlling factor but it is a good type of control. They let a senator represent your state. They take it up to the house of representitives. Then they take it up in a hearing. Then they say yay or nay. Religion however, is a bad control for those that are intelligent. For those that are morons, maybe you need that feeling of reason. Religion is the biggest propaganda ever. I have seen behind the closed doors. Even the most well respected churches, I see what goes on. They all want your money, or they just want to be in control over you. I do not say that it is wrong to believe in a God. But the same scenario with telekinesis can be played out with an almighty fart. What I am trying to tell you is. For those that have a weak mind. Do not let people tell you something, and believe it. Stand up for yourself. Do not let those ministers in the back start laughing, counting their money. Free money that is. Yeah sure, they will tell you that the money is for the building and the electric. Bull****. They make money off of you. And they love the control they have on it. Almost as good as S&M for them. They probably wank off because of how wonderful it feels to tell you that 'you must drink coolaid that has no sugar in it and a piece of toast, to resemble Christ's body', 'you must praise to the cross (equivilant to praising to an electric chair)'. In short. Do not let people tell you that something is real, like telekinesis without doing some research. You can have faith in Telekinesis, but do not actually 100% know that telekinesis works based on someone's word. It is all control. Zack |
| Posted By: bubbap Posted On: May 30, 2005 Views: 1943 | RE: Control Frankly, I am very surprised at this load of crap you just wrote. Especially seeing the other intelligent posts you have offered. I am not saying I believe in God or not. That is irrelevant. Religion however, is a bad control for those that are intelligent. For those that are morons, maybe you need that feeling of reason. I can assure you that there are those who are immeasurably more intelligent than you or I that have a firm foundation in faith and believe in God whole heartedly. For those intelligent people, they will totally disagree that Religion is a form of control. Democracy is a good controlling factor but it is a good type of control. They let a senator represent your state. They take it up to the house of representitives. Then they take it up in a hearing. Then they say yay or nay. Personally, I tend to believe that there is far more underhandedness and dishonesty in American Democratic politics, than there is in religion as a whole. Just my thoughts. |
| Posted By: Dyler Terden Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1935 | RE: Control Control yourself, Zack, there is only so many group therapy sessions to go to for some "other" reason. Try and stick with telekinesis without some "other" reason for you to branch out. That is when Keith gets you in the center when your not paying attention. When you least expect it - religion and politics are two sides digging a watery intellectual grave, in a virtual undecided half suicidal half "death before" dishonor paradox. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1932 | RE: Control I guess I did make one mistake in my claims. That religion is the problem. No religion is not the problem. It is the people that use religion as their personal piggy bank. "I can assure you that there are those who are immeasurably more intelligent than you or I that have a firm foundation in faith and believe in God wholeheartedly. For those intelligent people, they will totally disagree that Religion is a form of control. " You forget the operative words here "Faith" and "Believe". You can be as stupid as Forrest gump and be as intelligent as Einstein and as skeptical as Keith to realize that both those words do not state any facts. They are a choice as of right now. No one can give you scientific evidence that anything can be linked up to religion. All it is, is your choice to believe in it. OK, you can read the media covering the discovery of the Ark. Or maybe the commandment tablets being found broken all over the ground. You can either choose to believe in it's existence, or think outside the box. You may argue with me that it is all in the Bible. Come on dude, it is the same thing. I would rather you believe in God, than you to believe in the Bible. The Bible has contradictions (you may try to challenge me in this, but believe me there are), and contradictions mean instability. You maybe thinking, 'even star wars has contradictions in it'. That is because it is just a Story, ideas change. Let me also point out, that 'God' is a word that is defined by an individual. God is different in many people's eyes. Some people feel God is the holy ghost. Some feel God is everything. Some people even think they are God. And some people think that golden fat dude is God. Religion - Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe. Most churches will tell you 'Go out and find your friends and family to come and join our church.' More moolah, more control, more to fill with their beliefs that cannot be proven. To simplify, it is poison, a virus in your brain. Just like a virus tricking your computer processor speed is much higher than your computer fan can cool down. Eventually destroying your fan, eventually overheating your processor. And then your brain starts to realize that its been had all along. It is equivalent to the conversation about Telekinesis. God is just a belief, until proven as a scientific fact. I do not want to bang anyone's beliefs, and you are entitled by them. As long as your religion is not controlling you, then you are fine. But when it starts telling you what to do. Threatening you with Heaven and Hell. In Iraq, threatening to cut your hand off if you are in suspicion of stealing an apple because that is the way of "Ala". Then you are under control. Democracy, is still flawed. In my opinion it is still good control if you take in reference of many other political sides. The word 'good' is another word defined by individual perception. You may think Democracy is ****ed up. I talked to a guy that I work with. He is an intern from Thailand. I asked him what political views he would rather see? He immediately spoke out Communism. I was wowed, but I know that everyone has their idea of what religion is 'Good'. Considering that America is the second richest country. Considering that America has one of the best trained soldiers and highest technology. It is a wonder why democracy works. Like I said before, I do not like to be Bias to any side. But when something works, it works. If telekinesis works and I've seen it work, tested it scientifically, then I am going to be bias in the fact that it works, because it does. If you take a look at other countries, and see how their political views are and how their country is developing. You would realize that America is much younger than most of those countries, yet it is far superior. Religion (control) had a part in keeping America on it's game. "Personally, I tend to believe that there is far more underhandedness and dishonesty in American Democratic politics, than there is in religion as a whole." From baskets being passed to you in Church asking for your money. To the taxes that help improve your roads. Which would you rather pay money for. The funds church gets, not only goes to maybe their electric bill, but a lot of it goes into their pocket. Same thing with political leaders however. They pocket some of that tax money too. But, political leaders control you in a way that keeps you safe as possible, regardless if that is their intention. Like filling those pot holes down main street. Religious leaders, use your money, to fill your head with more crap. There is no benefit with filling your head with crap, unless you just need the feeling of reason. Old folks all the sudden go to church because they realize, hey maybe church can help me reincarnate. Holy ****, that is a very random assumption. That is like saying, "Maybe if I jump off of a building, I will have the sudden fear and urge to fly!" But again, all you fed me is your beliefs and the beliefs of superseding intelligent individuals. And people are entitled with beliefs. I heard an interesting quote on our latest blockbuster movie, 'Absolution leads to the Dark Side'. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1931 | RE: Control > Dyler Terden I hope that everyone understands that; The theory of telekinesis has a very real relationship with these other entities. IF you release your mind from these controls. You will then be able to see the truth. I do not want to lurk into other subjects on a site that is about telekinesis. But as I said, it is a related subject to tk, if you take a look outside the box. And I realize I ventured into danger terratory. But sometimes it is needed. These are just ideas. These theories could be all wrong, and in five minutes from now, I get visited by a strange ghost that calls himself God. But it is the exact same concept Keith is explaining in his website. You can believe in God/Telekinesis. Just do not be in control of the factions involved here. Be free to make your own choices. That is the sum of all that I just said above. |
| Posted By: Bubbap Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1928 | RE: Control First Zack, your second last post was much more intuitive and agreeable. No religion is not the problem. It is the people that use religion as their personal piggy bank. 100% agreed. You may argue with me that it is all in the Bible. Not a chance . Most churches will tell you 'Go out and find your friends and family to come and join our church.' More moolah, more control, more to fill with their beliefs that cannot be proven. Disagreed, the vast majority of local churches use this money for helping those in need. Yes, money goes to pay the expenses of the church and some money goes to the mother church maybe it shouldnt. However, I have witnessed first hand the good that organized religion has done in my community. If there is a fire, the church is there with an emergency response vehicle providing blankets, hugs and support to the victims. This is not always the case, but it is prevalent overall. It is equivalent to the conversation about Telekinesis. God is just a belief, until proven as a scientific fact. Agreed and Disagreed, I do not put these together at all. There is nothing to suggest that TK is real, for the existence of God, at least we can say we are here Its not much, but it is something to suggest someone or something started us what ever that is! I do not want to bang anyone's beliefs, and you are entitled by them. As long as your religion is not controlling you, then you are fine. But when it starts telling you what to do. Threatening you with Heaven and Hell. In Iraq, threatening to cut your hand off if you are in suspicion of stealing an apple because that is the way of "Ala". Then you are under control. 1000000000% Agreed. These cowardly people who threaten with heaven and hell and especially the ignorant bastards who mame and kill innocent people in the name of God, should all be wiped from the earth. From baskets being passed to you in Church asking for your money. To the taxes that help improve your roads. Which would you rather pay money for. I would put money in the basket if it is used to feed a hungry child, than give a bloated government money to fix a pothole in the road The funds church gets, not only goes to maybe their electric bill, but a lot of it goes into their pocket. Agreed. Not as much as you may think as much of this money does go back to the community. But again, all you fed me is your beliefs and the beliefs of superseding intelligent individuals. And people are entitled with beliefs. Sorry, that was out of line. I can not say that there is anyone in the world more intelligent than you but I think we are defined by what we believe! I better stop discussing this topic on this site because I dont think I want Keith to beat me up. Good topic of discussion though and I definitely appreciate your views on this. |
| Posted By: Random1 Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1920 | RE: Control Ahh, what a good topic this is, and one that should be continued on a message board... But anyways, I agree with Bubbap about churches both being positive and negative. Its true that many churches help out in the community and provide aid to those that need it. However, I do also agree that churches (or similar holy places) are one of the biggest controllers of the majority of the population. Now I do not believe in God (the one that created Earth), but I do not have a problem with anybody that does, or anybody that chooses to practice a religion regularly. I simply think that churches are a lousy way to prove your "faith", or to praise the God that you believe in. If someone is truly involved in a religion, then I don't see what is so hard about picking up whatever holy book it is tied to, and simply reading and using the teachings and lessons in your daily life. From what I have observed, this is not the case. Many people are just looking for self-satisfaction by sitting in a building with nice glass for 1-2 hours once a week (or more depending on your religion, but I am in the US so its basically what I see)and listening to some person ramble on about the "teachings". If there is a problem with Religion, it is that the majority of the people involved in the religions disrespect them and don't take them seriously. So even though churches do provide good for many people, many peoples views on life and each other are severely distorted, so at what point do you stop sacrificing your thoughts, for a little "good" in the community??? Also I want to add that the blame is not all on churches, as they are just the "parise houses" that are required by certain religions. Sorry Keith, I know this really has nothing to do with TK, but then, neither does TK :-) ooooo, I bet that'll make many people mad... |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1913 | RE: Control Keith - I challenge you to a duel. You take 10 paces away from me (the center). I take 10 paces from the center. You have your ears plugged. I have a blind fold. Before any one of us turns around, we both know we have two bullets to shoot. You get to 10 paces and turn and wait with "baited breath" and shoot into the air. Scaring me half to death that you shot me. The question of this 'DUALITY / POLARITY'? Do you shoot me or do you shoot at someone in between us being fool enough to be in the middle walking through? How many people do? You can't hear them behind you. I can't see them. We turn around, you shoot into the air because you waited too long for someone "fool" enough to be there. I turn because I see only two fools and shoot once. I only see you Keith. I hear you shoot into the air. This is duality. What is polarity? When a scientist walks into your door and tests you because you claim you have EXTERNAL telekinesis, they take a leap of faith. James Randi the skeptic, allows a good act of faith for which you insult to such a degree you have no defense. Fear knocks on the door, faith answers, and no one is there. Who are you waiting for? Keith? Infinite is not infinitive. Reincarnative is infinitive. You (Keith) have either one or the other. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1912 | RE: Control Zack? Unquestioned answers are more dangerous than unanswerable questions. Todays guilt, is tomorrows fear. If I win the "duel" Keith has to change the site to "Telekinesis: Internal or External?". If he loses, he has to shut it down, unless he proves on video he has telekinesis of the external,or the internal. Enough said. Coward or fearless. Genius or fool. No excuses. Control or no control. He has only the word to rely on before he uses the video. ....Blessed is He who has not seen nor heard, yet whom has believed....Sayeth Christ Jesus. This is a Fight Club for Telekinetic people who know the difference between In and Out. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1904 | RE: Control But this conversation has everything to do with TK. TK is related to a belief. Belief can be induced by someone that wants control. - Bubbap It is equivalent to the conversation about Telekinesis. God is just a belief, until proven as a scientific fact. Agreed and Disagreed, I do not put these together at all. There is nothing to suggest that TK is real, for the existence of God, at least we can say we are here Its not much, but it is something to suggest someone or something started us what ever that is! Telekinesis has the same amount of heir say as God does. I said in a post before, how consciousness is a phenomenon by itself. Probability in theory, it is more possible for consciousness to be a phenomenon in which can never be proved. So, the very idea how powerful a consciousness can be, gives the probability of telekinesis a nudge up. I also gave information on how the brain is only 10% used, i.e. 'mirror cells' scientists have discovered. Hutchinson Theory, Philadelphia Effect. There is more theoretic evidence with telekinesis than this idol. What does god have (I do not want to bash god, and try to shake your faith in him, I am just pulling out the facts.) People having dreams and hallucinations of voices that tell them the commandments. Stories of people being commanded by Ala. Sounds like the acclamations of a suicide bomber. "ALA TOLD ME TO DO IT!" We could be here for very many reasons. Not just some invisible character. From baskets being passed to you in Church asking for your money. To the taxes that help improve your roads. Which would you rather pay money for. I would put money in the basket if it is used to feed a hungry child, than give a bloated government money to fix a pothole in the road You are right. I investigated some of the churches. One church asked for 30% of all your wages. But another asked only what God asks you to give. Psychological obligation trickery. Does not necessarily mean they are meaning to do it, but that is what is happening. If your mother was like "I just really wanted the house painted red some day in my life", and you were a painter, you would probably (if you were not a loser) paint the house. And I will give some churches a positive note. I know a guy that has brain damage. He goes to churches constantly, receiving free food all the time. He'd come home with a grocery cart worth of food. > Random1 Sorry Keith, I know this really has nothing to do with TK, but then, neither does TK :-) But it does have something to do with TK. Sometimes you have to look at parallel beliefs to answer the questions and come up with theories. Helps keep contradictions out. > Peter Flack You must realize. That you can keep your faith. It is your choice as a human being. But as I said, the Bible is bad at referencing anything. So discount it as a reference. IT just talks about a bunch of stories. There are places in the bible of morality, which is respectable. But you can rent Disney flicks that do the same thing. So you talk about Jesus Christ. Let me let you realize that scams were not just recently realized. Scamming people has happened for years and years. When people watch one of those magic shows with David Copperfield, you are scammed into believing it is magic (Ahem; telekinesis). You have a choice, is David Copperfield the next messiah or is he just entertainment, not to be taken seriously. Like I said, look at the whole picture before putting faith into it. Having faith, that the traffic down the road will be clear, is fine. It is real world stuff. Having faith that Adam and Eve are real actual people in history, is absurd. That is like saying jack and jill are real. > Everyone Like I said before. I am not trying to bash your faith. I am just trying to give you a reality check. Many people will fight and protect their beliefs. Well, that is why we have guys running into houses full of American army, and clicking the button, and exploding. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: May 31, 2005 Views: 1902 | RE: Control You guys are having an interesting conversation. I don't have a message board for religion, but if you want one I'll put one up. Let me know. Keith |
| Posted By: Random1 Posted On: Jun 1, 2005 Views: 1894 | RE: Control hehe, I know it does Zack, and I understand your point. I just did not feel like including the long list of similarities in my post. :-) When you look at control, when thinking about how much media has affected peoples beliefs up to this point, then you have to think about movies and tv shows. You must ask yourself, if there had never been a Sci-Fi movie to make you think, or if there had been no shows like "Unexplained Mysteries" to put ideas into your head, would you still be able to come up with ideas such as "TK". I don't think so. But then again, there wouldn't be many other ideas floating around today, ones that have done good like breakthroughs in Science. Its funny, Hollywood feeds peoples mind giving them ideas of "aliens" and "abduction", and the ability to move things with their mind, and in turn, you have more people with these beliefs becoming movie directors. Maybe you can move things with your mind, I have no idea, I just think its funny that people have such an emotional attachment to it followed with emotional reactions, when really, you weren't the ones to even come up with the idea of being able to move things with your mind anyways... its not like its your own personal breakthrough. Please Respond :-) |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 1, 2005 Views: 1884 | RE: Control Keith- I will withdraw the duel since I don't think you understand the metaphor. Thank you for bearing with me, I am one very P*#@SSED off individual when you take telekinesis lightly. IF you do not define the differences between external and internal you insult people who truly have the power. Yes, the power to themselves, by themselves. With no help from anyone who knew, who couldn't for a moment even care. I will propose not some metaphoric duel. I wish to propose to you- Keith - what (if any) religion are you designated with? Did you grow up with it, without any choice? Did you decide that at age 18 when it was legal- to leave that religion(church) and investigate on your own? That is what I did. So , as you could probably understand, along the investigation, I chose to learn telekinesis. It was in the spring of 1993. It was a personal breakthrough for me. Not without tragedy - ( I am still alive ). I have found out about the "challenge" only a month ago. If I found out any earlier, things would have been different. If you can, Keith ( I know it is personal ) please tell me what religion it was, your were a part of. If anything. If not, start the (other) board and tell me there. ................. . Zack - You are alot like me. But, alot less frustrated. I will keep my faith. (Ahem:telekinesis)? I wish you could understand that it is not a belief. Beliefs are dangerous, as much as unquestioned answers. If my belief in my telekinesis existed, I wouldn't be typing. I don't have proof, I wouldn't express I had TK (internal-external) if I had some 'belief' to even mention. Another thing, I wasn't talking about Jesus Christ. I just quoted him, (or so it seems as time goes by- people did quote him whom believed he existed.), I only say that through those words of seeing and hearing for a reason. Blessed or not- what do I know? I feel telekinesis. I don't see it. I don't hear it. It is inside, and goes from one hand to the outside, and back inside again. What do I do? Express I believe in it? No. I can't. It is a claim. In the words of James Randi ( and I DO QUOTE ) "Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof". (No not Keith Mayes) (by the ways). ................. . Random1 - You are DEEP, I am shocked , and still interested , keep going. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 1, 2005 Views: 1872 | RE: Control One other issue. Faith is not as difficult to conquer and divide as belief. You can have faith for all of your life, but belief is one strange power in the human being that cuts it in half like it was butter. ( Ahem : CHICKEN FEED . ) So, Keith , I would for all it is worth, love to meet you and be the "scientist" as Zack mentions, walking through your door to prove you have TK. External or Internal. Or should I say to save lesss time (Random1?) E or I? ........................................................................ ..You know Chris Pontius and Steve-O are science types, while some say they are idiots, they aren't smart. But, at least they get around and learn something new every day. Even I am humored. The problem resides, although, it is of only a few things that humor me. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 1, 2005 Views: 1871 | RE: Control I almost forgot. Keith, the first words mentioned on this site - that if you want to know about telekinesis - this is the place for you. .............................................................. This is the place for YOU. |
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