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| Posted By: PF Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 719 | RE: Control If I missed some preposturous theory of Random1, I would like to see it dissected and put together again. |
| Posted By: Random1 Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 714 | RE: Control haha, thank you Zack, I enjoyed that. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 709 | RE: Control > Placebo Well, Mr Placebo, consider if your imagination and subconscious make up the gravity points. Gravity points are just variables describing a sense that your body has in certain places. When you concentrate on a point of your body into one place, you will realize that area gets tingly or numb. Perhaps there is an energy at work here, or perhaps there is a much greater faction here, or maybe it is just you feeling your arm or leg at a greater extent because you concentrate on it. Or maybe, the energy is being taken out of the body, i.e. outer body experiences aka OBE. Of course it could just very well be the slightest amounts of energy and barely noticeable brain algorithms that probably does move your body around. But think of it this way. Normal movement takes place without brain thought. IT is almost an involuntary reaction to move your arm. But when you can move your arm via thinking about it, then you have made your mind one with an object (your arm), to move it. Again, it probably influences your brain to move it. And this is only a theory. Subconscious is said to be an unknown faction all on itself. So what makes gravity points so out of this world? Another theory: Gravity points are just the points where you are holding your body up. It is the control point of where the body 'thinks' the gravity is pushing down on it. So when you move that gravity point, the body is just tricked in thinking that it should do it's balancing at the new location of the balance point. This would also prove why the arm would get numb. Perhaps the arm would 'crush slightly' in gravity if the 'gravity point map' was not right. A more probable theory to think about. I hate when it goes against telekinesis. But, gotta face reality. :-S > Peter Flack I was just playing around dude. Blame Random1! LoL. Also. I want to talk with you for a second. I try not to be bias like I said before. I have experienced what you are talking about 'hands hurting'. And I meditate all the time, which is suppose to be 'Zero Point of Emotion' if you do it right. My eyes blur, and colors start to run together. I can feel lots of energy in my hands and arms and it rushes through my body. However, that does not necessarily make it 'telekinesis' or an entity/energy that can be controlled. Like I told to Placebo, it could be the structure of the 'gravity point map' failing and causing a crushing type sensation in your arms, perhaps not energy at all. However, now that I talk it out with you, it seems a less likely scenario. Not saying that it is lower than the probability of telekinesis, I am just saying that perhaps that theory is flawed. But, as they say, theories are ment to be turned around, changed, and flipped. CHI, is a variable Mr Peter Flack. And it is an individually precepted variable at that. Some people believe that CHI is the energy that flows through you. The primary focus would be to channel all of your energy through the gravity point about where your abdomen is. And then, release it into some sort of phenomenon ball of energy. However, this is just again not factual based on science. But then again. When I did the Kung Fu training, chi was something that helped. When you channeled your energy into your body, for whatever reason (adrenalin?) you could break a board a lot easier. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 708 | RE: Control > Wasn't done!!! I hit the reply button accidentally. > Peter Flack I am not against telekinesis. I guess you could say that I am a 'believer' in that science has the answers for all things. Because science is just that, the act of defining phenomenons. Not the act of being stubbron. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 700 | RE: Control [ About Science ] Science is self correcting. Therefore I have the hope that it will eventually embrace anything paranormal that comes to light. And yes, that paranormal 'thing' will no longer be paranormal once science has begun to understand it. And this is as it should be. [ Gravity Points / Sensations of energy ] I'm going to discuss how it feels to ... 'channel energy' (I so hate these terms) .. when doing TK. This is an ELEMENT of what I do when I attempt TK, and is by no means the full picture. As I've said before, I haven't the foggiest clue what I'm doing exactly, but it feels as though I generate an energy in my hands and head. It is now instinctive for me to do it, and takes little effort on my part (since I've practiced it so much) I also find that TK in my case (bear with the assumption please) is not about using it as brute force. The martial arts version seems to involve forcing as much as possible into your hands, and then strike. My experience is not brute force. I won't go into the rest of what TK entails for me, as it's pretty difficult to describe. How would you describe how you move your fingers? This delves into that subject of the subconscious, which I'll come back to in a bit. Regarding my own feeling of energy: 1) I do not need to focus on the particular body part in question. I can try think deeply about my toe, attempt it, and my hands will still experience much of the sensation. 2) It does not seem/feel as if my center of gravity changes. 3) This alone does not cause telekinesis. As they say 'It's not the size of the wave, but the motion of the ocean' :P I'm open to all the explanations (even silly ones) of eg: 1) It is psychosomatic 2) Points of gravity/focussed density 3) Some sort of unknown energy 4) Whatever lame brain idea anyone can find I remain open to all explanations with the slightest possibility until the evidence is overwhelming in one or the other case. [ The issue of the subconscious ] Regarding the subconscious - I'd be suprised if anyone here would argue against there being such a thing as an underlying set of thought processes that govern the mundane (Eg. breathing, heart rate, walking, sleeping, riding a bicycle) Can we all agree that this is the case? Rather the argument tends to come about when someone implies the subconscious to be self-aware, sentient and possessing it's own distinctive personality and desire for control. I personally do not believe it to be it's own 'mind', but once again am open to the possibility. [ TK views ] My official view on TK is : There is not enough objective evidence to believe TK exists. My personal view is: My subjective experience has caused me to be fairly certain there is something unusual going on, that I cannot explain. As such, anybody claiming that I have 'sided' with Keith Mayes or James Randi - is simply misunderstanding. Similarly, anybody claiming I have 'sided' with ppsociety or psipog is similiary misinformed. I'm simply open to all sides of the story until I see a reason not to be. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jun 7, 2005 Views: 699 | RE: Control PS - I left out one of your theories on gravity points :) |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 696 | RE: Control You are wise Mr. Placebo Science, as I have defined earlier. The act of science is an individually perceived experience. A school science book, is the record of many people perceiving it the same way. Science books will tell you that pluto is a planet. We have classified it as a planet, and it is generally known by the public that it is a planet. In reality, pluto is not a planet, but a foreign really-big, icy astroid. Heck it does not even follow the same orbit as the other planets. But via science, it is a planet, because it is the generally preceived definition of 'Pluto'. Hallucinations happen, da ja vue happens. There are many things the brain can come up with. It can lie to you. I would rather believe that telekinesis is possible. But there is no science, as Placebo has stated, to support tk's existance. If many people preceived that you floated a penny in the air, all at the same time. Then it can be recorded as a scientific discovery. |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 695 | RE: Control In reality, pluto is not a planet I made a mistake. In a logical, probable, classificational definition, it is not a planet. Reality is science LoL. |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 8, 2005 Views: 692 | RE: Control Zack- Thank you, that clears things up much more than earlier. Placebo - Thanks for the support, it got even more clear after Zacks words. However, as you know...I do have a lot on my mind. I don't intend to just stay in the 'zero' area of TK. Leaving it in between internal, and external is pointless. Something I feel that Keith is doing. This explains the updated new topic. Why stay in zero - if you have the power and choose no side, and no direction? Telekinsis requires definition. |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 682 | RE: RE: Control >> Telekinsis requires definition. Yes it does, but it would be far easier to do so if it were repeatable and verifiable. We have no reasonable scientific evidence that we can use to examine the phenomenon. I still lean on the side of it existing, because I practiced it and cannot explain what I experienced. To form some definition about it requires more than eg a couple of hobbyists pushing balanced paper at home and flaunting their opinion. I'm guilty of the same crime - I have nothing to offer on our stand on TK despite having personal reasons to believe it's existence. Someone with a convincing skill, please walk into a lab and show them your talent :D You'll either help change our understanding of the world forever, or free yourself of slavery to a pointless passtime. Either way, it's for the better |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 679 | RE: Control Repeatable, yes, what can I say? I already did, that is why I am here still involved in the site. What scientific verifiable way to measure the phenominon? I suggested it, that is through a Gauss/Tesla meter. I recently found out through investigation, there is the pointio-meter. I think this works as well. It is less expensive. To measure telekinetic phenominon ( if you call it that ) is through technologically taking down every watt,voltage, whatever it is, in the human body and having it documented on paper. I am asking for that!! To walk into a lab,- Placebo -, I was asking for Keith to enlighten me on where I should do that, and he did not respond. I want to know, NEED to know where I can get TESTED FOR TELEKINESIS! NOW. Who do I go to? Where do I go? How far away is it? |
| Posted By: PF Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 678 | RE: Control I have said it before that I am the evidence. What more do you ask for? If Keith maintains it doesn't exist, and moves things without touching them on video, what do I do? Prove him wrong? If light were made out of words right now MAN, this whole thing here is a black hole. I can't for whatever reason acknowledge that he is out there doing something in TK without evidence when he is the evidence like me. The words are getting nowhere out here. You cannot take my word for it, I know that. When he says it doesn't exist( did he say it? Is it him? ) that is what makes it the event horizon. Just like that if it is him, I still see just two arms in front of a camera without a face. An identity. When I see some cocky "other" kind of Keith it makes me think there is some jealous, downright, idiot of a person getting destroyed on the way to the center of the hole. I took that into the consideration in "How Keith can get a life". I will be a "referee" if I have to. I will call it. I thought Keith was smarter than " I am the infinite, I am the beginning and the end, I think I'll go walk across the lake". Maybe I am sadly mistaken. So what do I do if that is my crime? You can touch, but you can't look, can you? All anyone does is look between video and all words typed with no reponse left. Make a decision. Zero has the power to shatter the framework of logic. Keiths logic is not debunked. It doesn't exist yet. I was taught that one of the biggest most powerful and important words in the English language is the word "yet". |
| Posted By: Zack Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 674 | RE: Control OK! I just come across some interesting information to share with you about these meters that Peter is talking about. Major technological companies are studying 'telekinesis'. IBM, Microsoft to name a few. Why you might ask? Well, for pretty much everything. So you are wondering why they are putting lots of money in this research? Because, they know it exists. However, they also know that it is not as powerful as you think. They have games (science lab games), that will monitor your brain power and can tell which way your brain wants to go in the game. The purpose of explaining this to you is because there are people that put hundreds of billions of dollars in researching the brain. You would think they know more about it's abilities than you. So do not come tell people that meters will detect telekinesis when hundred billion dollar companies cannot come up with it, with their high, state of the art technology. Meters will do jack ****. |
| Posted By: PF Posted On: Jun 10, 2005 Views: 671 | RE: Control fuk you zack eat sh!t and die |
| Posted By: Peter Flack Posted On: Jun 11, 2005 Views: 669 | RE: Control ....Jack sh@#?...Man, even I know better to use the -@#$%*%$#$@@#$- for the word H#ll. For F#$#@ks sake. Zack to respond to you ( no, I don't have to use the word die, and I recognize that attitude of the f-word from a previous segment from the extremely bored 'Nick' ), technology, like the EEG, the Gauss/Tesla meter, and what could be the possibility of the pointio-meter, is measuring electricity in the human body to prove telekinesis exists. It is a 7th grade experiment required of alot of students in this day and age, to have such a thing with a whole classroom together and combine everyones magnetic charge in one current to "light up" a light bulb. How could you say it would not do something for me? Besides, it hasn't been done yet. |
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