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| Posted By: TheScientist Posted On: Mar 10, 2006 Views: 1569 | Complete review/disproof of this website's claims Many of you claim that there is no proof what-so-ever of PK. Also, many of you claim that PK is non-existent because little ****in teenagers claim to have PK because of their deceiving psi-wheel experiences. Truth is, everybody knows that almost every (probably every) psi-wheel experiment is NOT genuine PK. However, that does not disprove genuine PK or disprove public CONTROLLED demostrations of such. Concerning the Randi $1 million-'issue', then I do not take it seriously. Randi is not a scientist nor will he ever be. Randi is just a guy who refuses to accept any of the serious demostrations he has been exposed to as real, even though they were under controlled circumstances. Randi pre-judges and he has already decided that "paranormal phenomena does not exist and never will", and he has even admitted so, thats a psychological effect, actually, it comes from egoism. Any behavorial scientist with correct methodology to judge and control experiments would tell you that this is a critical flaw in the whole experiment; that the ultimate "boss" of it already has an oppinion he want to prove no matter what; and that influences the results and outcome. In other words, he is corrupt, and if you want "proof", then check it out for yourself in his own words, and also see http://www.alternativescience.com/james-randi.htm, and search google for more information on the subject. After doing proper research, please do not claim that genuine PK'ers and others "could not be rejected like that". They both can and have been. No more talking about Randi. If PK does not exist, then please first explain party levitations (which has been proving to neither be of imagination or hoaxed). Oh, and explain levitations too. (if you say they would have been proven by randi, you obviously havent read what i told you to before). But lets go back to PK - genuine PK parties and experiements in other countries then USA (yes, there indeed does exist other countries) have been done, in large quantity, over the years. If you want a video example, here is one. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4957790045041805261 Before you argue it could be fake video, know that I could just send you links to organizations that hold gatherings where this is shown. Not in the USA though, but eastern europe. Or its not actually organizations, but smaller groups. What can I say..? You are just mainstream-science conservative americans, a proper metaphor would be, you are just like the people who used to burn witches that used drugs which are actually used to cure people in the medicinal industry today. But - Hey!, its OK, you didnt knew any better until now. But from now on, dont claim otherwise until you have disproven all these things, and that would include a trip to east europe. Congratulations ;) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 10, 2006 Views: 1566 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims So your point of view is based on extensive research and facts? You know for a fact that people can levitate? As for that stupid clip with the kid moving a glass, get real. They showed a shot under the table at the beginning, then had half a dozen cut aways before showing the glass move. Oh, yes, very convincing. Why do you even bother asking people to watch rubbish like that, what on earth is the point? Randi doesn't pay out because he refuses to accept 'evidence'. I see. Sorry, I can't continue with this nonsense, this is way too stupid to bother with. Go to a site that swallows crap like you peddle. |
| Posted By: TheScientist Posted On: Mar 10, 2006 Views: 1562 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims See, just what I said. You said the video is false. What, if I show it to you personally, then its a holographic illusion, or what will your next excuse be? That it's a magic trick? Again, our Randi-boy refuses real examples, and so do you. Since no matter what I will not be able to convince you, this wont help, but hey, what the **** ever. But as final words, you should know that you are the ones living in illusions, not others. Just because of some teenagers using thermoeffects and static electricity, wanting some hype and respect and a minute of fame off the internet, that doesnt render the whole phenomenom invalid, ingenuine, false. Thats like saying Linus Torvalds cant program just because Bill Gates has an IQ below a hundred. You are reductionists, but other than that, you claim that everything is the else way round then it really is. Some people can perform PK, but you cant accept that and call your oppinion universal. If I was presented to disproof of real PK phenomena, I wouldnt continue to argue. Thats what you are doing, just on the other side of the case. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 10, 2006 Views: 1557 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims You shouldn't be surprised I think the video is false,it's awfull. I've seen better on pppsociety, and their's are pretty bad and not as good as the one's I have faked on my site. I have never claimed that just because The psi-wheel and rotating straw are not TK that TK does not exist. What I do say is TK has never been demonstrated to exist, therefore there is absolutely no reason to believe it does exist. It doesn't exist, get over it and grow up. |
| Posted By: laurus Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1555 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims Almost everyday I see some weird things on tv. People flying around,a guy transforming in a car, talking elephants,etc...... So the fact alone that you believe a videoclip can proof anything just makes me wonder what a kind of "scientist" you are. |
| Posted By: Grant Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1551 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims Agree with keith that video is daft, it doesn't need commenting on. I don't think Randi would not pay, he would make more if he found someone that really could prove PK. TheScientist judging by your outburst in your posts it seems there is a hidden agenda. Maybe you are just lashing out because PK hasn't been proven and you have realised this fact. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1544 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims You make a valid point Grant. If he is really so sure about it then why not go to a site that agrees with him? ppsociety love people like him. |
| Posted By: TheScientist Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1535 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims I have many different occupations, and I am competent in judging whether PK can exist [and from a physical/scientific point of view, it can], and whether it has been demostrated to prove that it not only can but does. And it has. The video, however, was just an example. The randi-thing was to wipe out your excuse that, "they would have gotten a million by Randi by now if they were truely 'able'". I dont give a **** about whether my oppinion is accepted, its more the facts that I want to spread. And since PK is FACTUALLY a physical potential, it is not to be underestimated that it have indeed been demostrated to be taken from being potential to being real life action. The chinese government [government scientists] has done reasonable amount of reasearch in the field of PK-portation by so-called 'psychic kids', and the effects induced by the 'psychic kids' could not be explained fully by just regular physics; but led to reasearch in quantum physics and how it could be, that they could 'teleportate' a living mouse, where through observation it seemed to 'dissolve' [on micro-scale] whilst also on micro-scale it started to manifest another place [chosen by the 'psychic kid'], where the mouse eventually was still alive. Anyway, before you conclude PK doesnt exist, remember to first research potential and action of that given potential; explain group-levitations, explain solo-levitations, explain all these 'paranormal' phenomena, and if you prove them all not to be 'paranormal' in terms of convential public range of science and oppinion, I'll give you $1 million cash, and I'll shut up about it existing forever. Good challenge, eh? Contact me @ f'i''r'e''m'''i'l'e [without any of the 's] at gmail dot com if you want to take this challenge and explain and prove your standpoint about all paranormal phenomena that can be observed to date. ;) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1533 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims You are too sad to bother with. I pity you. Get help. |
| Posted By: legal eagle Posted On: Mar 11, 2006 Views: 1525 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims I think 'the scientist' should consider changing his name. He thinks that TK, PK, levitation etc, is factual. Since when have fairy tales been factual? How about calling yourself 'gullable'? Get a grip man, a thing is only a fact once it has been demonstrated and scientificaly tested and has a solid theoretical basis that can be used to make firm testable predictions. All you have is is heresay, and even that is from extremely unreliable sources, mostly school kids. Keith is right, you really do need to grow up. |
| Posted By: TheScientist Posted On: Mar 12, 2006 Views: 1522 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims THANKS; you got me the exact reaction I was looking for! To statue an example, let me quote for emphasis: "You are too sad to bother with." Thats what you say, when I offer you a million to any serious scientist who will disprove paranormal phenomena. This shows the same reaction, that most (genuine) PK-able people exhibit when prompted with Randi's million-challenge: "He's too sad to bother with." Yet some have taken it, but have been refused. But that was pretty funny actually, that I got exactly the expected reaction. This teaches you something about both science and human psychology - scientifically, PK is a potentially possible effect, and psychologically, both Randi's corruptness and genuine trained/able psychokinetic's [not PP-society kids] reactions to Randi's challenge are natural effects of the human psychology [read: R. B Ph.D, Effects of Subconscious Motor Observed in Action (p.x), Perspective and Knowledge: Conflict of Interest and Absence of Verificational Needs]. Also, the PPSociety-kids exhibit natural teenage-psychology, wanting to dig into the 'hidden' workings of the world, and not needing much to get convinced of a such hidden working in action [read: psiwheels]. Thanks for your time, it's been a lot of fun talking to you. I'll keep replying, of course, but really, I think both I and you have learned a lot here [at least if you were a bit open and understood why the core, and why the essence of what I'm trying to say is important] and its true what they say about student and teacher, we all learn so it's not like I pretend to be more able to teach you then you teaching me, but that I have something to contribute to you with. You've teachen me a lot to, mostly your behaviour and reactions to my remarks. Thanks. Peace |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Mar 12, 2006 Views: 1520 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims If you had really learned anything you would go away. |
| Posted By: Grant Posted On: Mar 13, 2006 Views: 1515 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's claims The 'tunnel vision' Scientist, Wake up!!! You should really read what you are saying its utter crap. Do you really think Randi wouldn't pay if someone came up and demonstrated TK in front of him? If you do then your just being naive, Randi would make a fortune if he found someone who could really perform TK. You must be absolutely stupid if you think Randi would turn away genuine Telekinetics. Why would he do it? Your claim that Randi won't pay the 1Mill is an excuse to keep your TK dream alive. Who knows maybe you'll see sence oneday. As for teleportation :D Pleeeeeeeeeaaaaase...I think you have watched to much Star-Trek. "I just can't do it captain, I aint got the power", LOL this quote fits in quite nicely with TK... |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Mar 13, 2006 Views: 1513 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's cla >>"I just can't do it captain, I aint got the power", LOL this quote fits in quite nicely with TK... |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Mar 13, 2006 Views: 1512 | RE: Complete review/disproof of this website's cla Hmm. I hate sparklit. What I meant to say was 'Haha, it does, now that you mention it xD' Even should it exist, it's not particularly practical. It's mostly useful in academic means. Spinning a finely balanced piece of paper isn't exactly dragonballz. |
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