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| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 10, 2006 Views: 1603 | Out of curiosity... Keith I don't know if you've read 'Supernature'(Sceptre) by Dr. Lyall Watson, but if not do so. It's a goldmine for stuff like this. Genady Sergeyev was a neurophysiologist at the Utomskii Institue in Leningrad. He decided to test Nelya Mikhailova, a person who had won fame with her amazing tk skills. "The testing began with one of the most difficult and impressive PK demonstrations ever made. A raw egg was broken into saline [salt] solution in an aquarium six feet from her, and, with cameras recording every second, Nelya struggled until she was able to separate the white of the egg from the yolk and move the two apart - an act that nobody could ever attribute to hidden strings or magnets." I realise that people have almost no chance of persuading you to believe in tk, however I would be interested to know (out of curiosity) how you could explain away a stunt like that. It was done in tightly controlled conditions which I'm sure you would be proud of. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 10, 2006 Views: 1594 | RE: Out of curiosity... You said....."I realise that people have almost no chance of persuading you to believe in tk, however I would be interested to know (out of curiosity) how you could explain away a stunt like that. It was done in tightly controlled conditions which I'm sure you would be proud of." Please descibe in detail how the test was conducted and I will let you know how proud I am. |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1588 | RE: Out of curiosity... OK. Well, she was strapped into a chair, electrodes were attatched to her head and machines were present around her to measure her brainwave patterns and the magnetic field around her body, which was only 10 times less than that of the earth during the tests. That is strong and way above the magnetic field around the rest of us (which has been scientifically proven). Also, the voltage being produced at the back of the head was 50 times that at the front. She was showing a lot of the symptoms of excitement and stress. The heart had confusion between the chambers which is suggestive of great alarm and her pulse reached 240 beats per minute. If you honestly think that she walked up to the tank and stuck her hands in to separate the egg, then I suggest you try breaking an egg into saltwater and doing the test yourself. Anybody who has cooked with eggs and had to separate them (like me) will know that it is impossible to separate an egg broken into water. I do not want to appear aggressive, but I honestly can't think how this could be written off as chance, although if you do find a way, I will be most interested to hear how you did it. If you can't find a way, then I will have to say that the score is one-nil to the pk supporters. |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1586 | RE: Out of curiosity... Oh yes, one more thing. If you decide to insult me with libel, it might interest you to know that: 1)I do not claim to be able to do tk, 2)I am a 22-year-old Adult, 3)I am NOT a member of ppsociety, 4)I am well aware how easy it is to fake pk videos and how difficult it is for the scientists investigating the subject. Anyway, good luck in trying to fake that experiment and I look forward to hearing of your results. :) |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1576 | RE: Out of curiosity... Further details on the test can be found in: "Psychic discoveries behind the Iron Curtain" by L. Schroeder and S. Ostrandre (Prentice-Hall, 1971) Unfortunately I do not have this book myself, but it is the one Dr. Watson refers to regarding Neyla Mikhailova. |
| Posted By: pyroman098 Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1574 | RE: Out of curiosity... LOL, of course no reply because he has no answer and he doesnt want to admit TK is real... |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1568 | RE: Out of curiosity... Firstly, I do not need to duplicate the experiment of seperating the egg yolk from the white because I am not at all convinced it happened. If it actually happened under strict test conditions as described we would not be having this discusion. So it either never happened or the "test conditions" did not satisfy anyone other than those monitoring the "test". If it was done as you described then we would all know TK was real. What more needs to be said? A lot of people believe in Big Foot.They had studied the video and said it was genuine, no doubt about it. We all now know it was fake because the hoaxers have owned up. They also said they had found hair samples and DNA testing 'proved' it was Bigfoot. How can that be? What are they matching it with as Bigfoot has never been captured? Doh!!! The point is whenever extrodinary claims are made and fully investigated, the so called 'evidence' simply melts away. The 'egg seperation'nonsense is a case in hand. If you choose to believe it that is up to you. Personally I equate that to believing something because you read it in a newspaper. If it really happened that way TK would be an established fact. It isn't. Think about it. |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1565 | RE: Out of curiosity... You have clearly missed the whole point of this thread. I am not debating the existence of tk with you. I have stated that there is a stand-off between those who believe and you (and, incidentally, I have kept my belief or unbelief out of this in order to prevent problems). Now, the original question. Can you think of a way the egg-separated-in-the-water test could be faked? And would success at such a test constitute indisputable proof? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 11, 2006 Views: 1563 | RE: Out of curiosity... As I have already said I do not think the test happened as you describe it therefore I have no need to suggest how it may have been done. |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 12, 2006 Views: 1560 | RE: Out of curiosity... "As I have already said I do not think the test happened as you describe it therefore I have no need to suggest how it may have been done." I'm not debating the existence of tk with you, nor am I debating whether this test occurred. Now, if (note IF) footage of such an event was published, then: 1) Would it be considered proof? 2) Would it be possible to fake? I'm not going to go out and do this test and 'prove' anything, and I'm certainly not going to take sides as to whether it is fake or not. That is not within the scope of this discussion. I'm just interested in how it would be possible to fake such a 'demonstration'. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 12, 2006 Views: 1550 | RE: Out of curiosity... You are so missing the point. If it really happened as described then it be a challenge to repeat it. Knowing what I do about this lady I have no reason to suppose it really happened. |
| Posted By: wei Posted On: Jun 16, 2006 Views: 1534 | RE: Out of curiosity... Keith is saying that the experiment never happened in the first place. There are books and T.V. shows dedicated to how man never landed on the moon. I want to a forum one day, and practically everybody believed in that. I could not believe my eyes when I realized how people can be fooled so easily. The T.V. show was aired in FOX for God's sake! (I'm not attacking FOX, it was just a FOX joke hehe) So what Keith is saying that, If the experiment was actually done in the first place, then why isn't it big news? Where is the video? Where is the visual proof? Where are the witnesses? It's not a matter of whether you can fake the experiment, it's a matter of that the experiment never happened. Let's say I claim that I jumped from the ground to my two story house, and told you to replicate it, or fake it. Can you? No! because i never jumped up in the first place. That is what keith is saying...I think |
| Posted By: Willster Posted On: Jun 16, 2006 Views: 1528 | RE: Out of curiosity... Yeah, I'm pretty sure that if that actually happened then it would have been all over in the news and magazines all over the world... But it wasn't and isn't so there is no point in asking if it is possible or if it could be faked. It doesn't matter... |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 16, 2006 Views: 1526 | RE: Out of curiosity... You've got it |
| Posted By: Woodpecker Posted On: Jun 18, 2006 Views: 1516 | RE: Out of curiosity... You continue to misunderstand me. I am asking whether the experiment could be faked, not whether it happened or not. That issue is irrelevant. I am being objective, so I ask again, could such an experiment be faked, and if so, how? That´s all I want to know. |
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