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| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 1, 2007 Views: 1439 | Reality v the paranormal Time and time again people, like cj, will claim that there is "proof" or "evidence" that certain paranormal activities - such as remote viewing - are real phenomenon. They will then claim that 'real' scientists, and logical fact finding people like myself, choose to ignore this 'evidence' and simply close our minds to it. We become the ignorant ones whilst they are the enlightened ones. They will even say we can't prove they are wrong. This is ignoring the rather obvious fact, to the more educated amongst us, that it is impossible to prove a claim to be wrong without some sort of demonstration to support the claim. How can anyone prove me wrong if I claim to be able to walk on water? The burden of proof rests with me, as I am the one making the claim, so I would need to demonstrate that I can do it. So why do they say there is proof that RV etc is real? It's because they do not understand what constitutes proof. They will typically visit a web site, run by a group that actively promotes rv, and quotes dubious unverified facts and sources to substantiate their amazing claims. They will believe what they read because they WANT to believe. Not very scientific. Lets get something absolutely clear. If ever a thing were proven, if ever facts were produced, it ever a fool-proof demonstration were given, then the truth of it could NOT be denied. Facts are facts and proof is proof. Scientists cannot pick and choose what facts they are prepared to accept, a fact is a fact regardless of how unpopular it may be. If a thing is regarded as paranormal it is because there is not one single shred of evidence to support it, regardless of what may be printed on some fringe crank web site. I hope I have made that clear. |
| Posted By: CJ Posted On: Dec 2, 2007 Views: 1436 | RE: Reality v the paranormal WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE ARE SKEPTICS WHO RUN SIMILAR REMOTE VIEWING TESTS WITH TIGHT CONTROLS WITH THE SAME RESULTS ABOVE CHANCE HOW ABOUT THIS FACT REMOTE VIEWING WORKS AT A LEVEL WAY BEYOND CHANCE THAT CANNOT BE READILY EXPLAINED AWAY FROM FLAWED TESTS IN THE 70S OR STATISICAL PROBABILITY |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 2, 2007 Views: 1434 | RE: Reality v the paranormal Your response is typical, just empty rhetoric. I thought I had made myself clear, but obviously you can't understand it even when reduced to its most basic terms. Your lack of comprehension of what you read is truly appaling. Read the following slowly and carefully then try to respond articulately to it. If there is proof that rv exists then why is it that the entire scientific world refutes it? How do you explain that? Please show us this amazing proof you keep referring to but have always failed to provide. Where is it? Can you manage a sensible reply to those very simple questions? |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Dec 2, 2007 Views: 1427 | RE: Reality v the paranormal you have presented nothing but questions that have been aawnser explain dean radins woek GO A HEAD |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Dec 2, 2007 Views: 1425 | RE: Reality v the paranormal i mean this is ridicules there is a effect no matter what you say that is a fact there is something to iT and alot of credible smart individuals agree |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 3, 2007 Views: 1421 | RE: Reality v the paranormal If there is proof that rv exists then why is it that the entire scientific world refutes it? How do you explain that? Please show us this amazing proof you keep referring to but have always failed to provide. Where is it? Can you manage a sensible reply to those very simple questions? |
| Posted By: Deserted Posted On: Dec 3, 2007 Views: 1418 | RE: Reality v the paranormal Goddamnit cj, can you at least try to write correctly for a change, your zero punctuation attitude is making your posts hard to read... Keith is right, you have no proof, but you somehow have allready showed the proof with Dean whatshisname. I don't see the proof, where is it? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 3, 2007 Views: 1413 | RE: RE: Reality v the paranormal Unfortunately cj's idea of proof is to visit wacky web sites that exist only to promote the paranormal and to then believe every piece of garbage they put out. He is so very desperate to believe it is real that his emotions totally overrule any vestige of logic that he may have remaining. He is completely unable to use any judgement or apply any basic questions to what he is told is 'proof'. He just blindly accepts it all as being factual, no question. Its really quite sad. |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Dec 3, 2007 Views: 1408 | RE: Reality v the paranormal there are multiple universitys and institutes studying esp and the proof is thousands of trials with statistics that cannot be due to chance fact |
| Posted By: Delphinus Posted On: Dec 4, 2007 Views: 1404 | RE: Reality v the paranormal Cj just give it up already!! You're just giving pointless arguments and your grammer is appalling!! Just stop fighting a losing battle you have no solid proof and no video can prove anything either... |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 4, 2007 Views: 1399 | RE: Reality v the paranormal cj, When are you going to learn to stop being so stupid? What is the point in endlessly repeating that there are thousands of facts to support your argument when you ignore request after request to show us this amazing unseen proof? You are just making a total idiot of yourself and all you will do in reply is to repeat yet again that there is masses of proof. Unless you can back up what you say there is no point at all in saying it. You seriously need to grow up and to learn how to argue a case. As it is you are showing all the maturity of a little kid in a nursery. Grow up! Dean Radin, the site you highly recommend, is right, the more uneducated a person is the more they will believe in the paranormal. You are living proof of that statement! |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Dec 4, 2007 Views: 1391 | RE: Reality v the paranormal fact remote viewing works at a level that nis beyond chance which is something scientist nor rvers can explain we dont understand how this works but it does so further investigation is warrented we can end this debate you wont be conviced until its scientific fact so one day when we have definitive evidence which we will you cant say anything so let end this disscussion\ |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Dec 5, 2007 Views: 1381 | RE: Reality v the paranormal If there is proof that rv exists then why is it that the entire scientific world refutes it? How do you explain that? Please show us this amazing proof you keep referring to but have always failed to provide. Where is it? Can you manage a sensible reply to those very simple questions? This is the third time of asking. If you can't answer these two very simple questions then there is no point in you continuing. All further posts from you will be deleted until you answer the questions. This is because no one is interested in your daft comments. You sound like a demented parrot. |
| Posted By: Mateus Posted On: Dec 5, 2007 Views: 1377 | RE: Reality v the paranormal Gee, this thread is ridiculous! Can't you see that?! It seems to me that cj is making fun of all of you. He's fake! He must be ROFLAO watching you taking it seriusly, uniting against him and "proving he's stupid" for the hundreth time the same way. He repeats the same phrases over and over. This way he makes YOU repeat the same phrases over and over - and he's having great fun. If you want him to stop, you must stop first. Just let him have his last words in this pointless argument and ignore him. Maybe he'll post some more but soon he'll get bored. Maybe I'm missing something and you also feel great satisfaction taking part in this. You are so inteligent, reasnable and language skilled compared to cj! If this is the case, excuse me for interrupting :P |
| Posted By: Deserted Posted On: Dec 5, 2007 Views: 1371 | RE: Reality v the paranormal Goddamnit cj, can you at least try to write correctly for a change, your zero punctuation attitude is making your posts hard to read... Keith is right, you have no proof, but you somehow have allready showed the proof with Dean whatshisname. I don't see the proof, where is it? |
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