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| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jan 15, 2005 Views: 1401 | RE: Research I never claimed to be completely unable to do TK anymore - I have had success lately, but it is greatly lessened in comparison. If it was purely weather, then in keeping with your theory, today would have been dismal for my TK. It was ****ing with rain - and without any lightning. And yet, I find it to have improved quite a bit, nearing my previous levels. I find it amusing however that you now begin to turn this issue into a ppsociety.com vs keith mayes' site war. How is it relevant that I am active on ppsociety? I do not coddle the views of the other members on ppsociety at all, and state my personal thoughts openly. I have not been banned because I do not outrightly condemn other people's views, regardless if I disagree with them. However suddenly being a member of another website has turned me into an 'unobjective' member of your own site. I find this quite puzzling and expect that I now will steadily become yet another TKer that will be treated with beligerence - because of a site that has left you with extreme prejudice. I also view sites such as psipog.com, dreamviews.com and ld4all.com, without necessarily agreeing to the content. Are you going to allow those facts to be a consideration in our discussions too? Suddenly your opinion of me is dependent on my internet explorer history ... At no time did I feel that our conversations were in any way related to ppsociety, but was simply an open discussion regarding TK Perhaps I was mistaken Greg |
| Posted By: Infinity8 Posted On: Jan 15, 2005 Views: 1374 | RE: Research Heres something to consider in regard to fluctuating TK abilities. Some people have fluctuating hearing. In those cases Its often due to disease such as Menieres Disease and Lermoyaz Syndrome, or ear infections, or eustachian disfunctions or other causes. I dont think its a great example but I did want to point out that a more accepted human sense can vary, and sometimes varies often, in its strength. I know Keith, you dont believe in any of this period but there still has been not been another explanation as for why someone can manipulate an object from 6 feet away or more. Infinity8 |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 15, 2005 Views: 1357 | RE: Research Placebo/Greg QUOTE:..If it was purely weather, then in keeping with your theory, today would have been dismal for my TK. It was ****ing with rain - and without any lightning. Trying to put the wrong words in my mouth is not only a cheap trick but is also a very foolish policy to pursue when my words are all down in black & white. Show me where I have ever said static was purely down to the weather. Its just one factor of many, and I have made this very clear in my main article. However, in your particular case, perhaps I should have spelled it out even clearer. In my last post perhaps I should have completely reprinted my article on static instead of being lazy and not precise enough for you. I didn't think it necessary, but obviously I was wrong. QUOTE: .....I find it amusing however that you now begin to turn this issue into a ppsociety.com vs keith mayes' site war. How is it relevant that I am active on ppsociety?.....However suddenly being a member of another website has turned me into an 'unobjective' member of your own site. Easily amused arent you. All I said was Your ppsociety postings confirm how much you are into it. I only referred to them because that is where you have made a lot of postings demonstrating how totally convinced you are about TK. A typical posting of yours on ppsociety. QUOTE....We all know it exists - and we need dedicated psientists like yourself (Paranoid Jester) to help us figure out the components of it. As a point of interest, you are not a member of this site. No one is, I have visitors. You have of course also posted on your own site; QUOTE What's happened here? Well Keith has made a few videos displaying TK-like effects, using garden-variety air movement, static and suchlike. Other than alerting us to the dangers, I don't quite see the point now. I believe we're losing the plot, and will not go further on that line of thought. It is because of these posts, and many others just like them, that I question your objectivity. And quite rightly so. Who wouldnt? |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 15, 2005 Views: 1355 | RE: Research Hi infinity8, Regarding the princetown findings we agree to differ. It's all down to how you interprete the results. For the record, although I am sceptical at this stage, I would not be totally amazed if tomorrow they were proved to be right. Could happen. QUOTE... "I know Keith, you dont believe in any of this period but there still has been not been another explanation as for why someone can manipulate an object from 6 feet away or more." Ah, but then I don't believe anyone has manipulated an object from 6 feet away, or 6 millimetres or six miles. . |
| Posted By: Infinity8 Posted On: Jan 15, 2005 Views: 1352 | RE: Research QUOTE: Schmidt was or is affiliated with the Rhine Institute in South Carolina .. Correction: The Rhine Research Center is located in North Carolina. http://www.rhine.org/ My apologies for the error. Infinity8 |
| Posted By: Placebo Posted On: Jan 16, 2005 Views: 1337 | RE: Research Hi Keith Quote: [Trying to put the wrong words in my mouth is not only a cheap trick but is also a very foolish policy to pursue when my words are all down in black & white. Show me where I have ever said static was purely down to the weather. Its just one factor of many, and I have made this very clear in my main article. However, in your particular case, perhaps I should have spelled it out even clearer. In my last post perhaps I should have completely reprinted my article on static instead of being lazy and not precise enough for you. I didn't think it necessary, but obviously I was wrong.] I am simply using the very same argument you used yourself recently - in reply to my results. When discussing my results thus far, you are quick to mention weather. However when I mention how the weather did *not* tie in with results for a day - you consider me as 'missing your point' (in essence) I have read your arguments on static and have researched it myself too , as you well know. Quote: [QUOTE What's happened here? Well Keith has made a few videos displaying TK-like effects, using garden-variety air movement, static and suchlike. Other than alerting us to the dangers, I don't quite see the point now. I believe we're losing the plot, and will not go further on that line of thought.] Perhaps this was written in a slightly misleading way. When I say "will not go further on this line of thought", you had set your mind on those explanations and had no reason to explore alternate answers. This seems reasonable from your perspective, however you managed to ignore many of our questions in that regard. These explanations do not yet sufficiently explain my own experiences. They do however bring us to possible explanations of very specific examples of TK Of course, you're opinion will differ here Quote: [All I said was Your ppsociety postings confirm how much you are into it.] No, once again you are twisting *my* words and misrepresenting them. If you place it in context, you'll find this: Quote: [So much so, that like all 'tkers' you are unable to be objective. There is therefore no point to your 'tests'] And I guess I'll have to spell out what those words mean to any reasonable person reading it: (1) You state that all TKers are unobjective. (2) I am a TKer, and member of ppsociety (3) Thus, I am one of them. (4) Thus I am unobjective and any further tests and discussion are pointless ("therefore no point to your 'tests'") This blatant, biased generalisation leaves me completely stunned. If being a TKer means I am unobjective then this claim is no better than those TKers that claimed *you* to be unobjective for the opposite reason. How laughable is that? Yes - I am easily amused This is your choice of course, and so be it. Please enlighten me, if I have misunderstood your black and white statements - as you misunderstood mine. What also stuns me, is that you have known I was a TKer all this time. We all agreed that we were on opposite ends of the field. However suddenly this has dawned on you as a reason to shut the door on any discussion regarding any experimentation (eg my tests). If this is the way you feel, well, what can I say? It's your life... On the one hand, you urge us, as TKers, to experiment and test our abilities. Then on the other hand, you call all TKers unobjective and state that any testing would be pointless. I guess we're all doomed :/ I have no interest in more insulting, pointless debate as to the existence of TK - as that was never my purpose here. I honestly had the interests of discussion regarding the experiments themselves. It seems that this forum seems to be more of a mud-sling match about the existence of TK - something that can certainly not be proven on a forum - I do not see the point to this sort of argument. As such, I will continue my own experiments as best as I can manage, and as I am able. And unfortunately without your expertise, which I wil sorely miss. My progress journal will stay available for anyone interested (http://placebotk.blogspot.com) I thank you for the help you have provided thus far - much of the information was invaluable. I was, and remain, open to explanation as to my abilities, non-TK or otherwise. However as I already stated I require those explanations to be sufficient. Thus far no explanations have been presented from any corner that fully explain my experiences - and I thus require further development and investigation. I had hopes of obtaining advice from you as to my testing methods, but it seems that you've closed the door based on my experiences and personal beliefs. Greg |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jan 25, 2005 Views: 1284 | RE: Research I have just read Greg's Blog page to see how he is getting on with his tests. It's odd because he reckons he is 'making progress'. But 18 days of Greg 'practising' and he's still not back to his previous alleged level where he claimed to have '70% control' when rotating the straw - by TK not static. How very strange. I wonder why? What's the problem? It's not as though he's never done it before! Maybe hes just playing the wrong background music? Or having a bad day at work? Or concentrating too hard? Or not concentrating enough? Or getting his psionic resonance wave frequencies overlapping in the wrong places? I wonder how much more more 'practice' it's going to take before he can then begin his controlled tests using all his anti-static measures? I wonder why he doesn't just use anti-static measures in the first place? What is the point in practising this way knowing that static plays a major (ie. total) role? I wonder what an independent observer would considered to be a reasonable time before concluding that Greg has no control at all? Never mind, what the hell, but it does all seems very odd to me. You can either demonstrate TK or you can't. Simple. But then its simply amazing the number of reasons a TKer can come up with to explain why they cant do it today...... |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Feb 8, 2005 Views: 1245 | RE: Research This is my final post on this subject because reading Greg's site has become so pathetic it's actually embarrassing to follow. So much so that it doesn't even raise a laugh anymore. I'm actually beginning to feel sorry for him. This is from his site: ".......I've decided to go 'cold turkey' on the balanced straw. I spend too much time on it, and not enough time trying to progress to the next step." I think I will just leave it there without comment, enough is enough. THE END |
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