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| Posted By: cj Posted On: Nov 7, 2007 Views: 721 | RE: RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen not even close im following you believe it or not |
| Posted By: xeoncat Posted On: Nov 7, 2007 Views: 719 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen keith, how can you see, if your eyes are closed? I knew you would end in anger (I pushed it a bit, I'm sorry), but that anger doesn't come toward me, comes toward all those closed minded people you have found and are as hard headed as you. that anger instead of opening new possibilities to you, lead to more anger and makes you fight psi with a passion. I advise you not to persue a debunking career or even persue that anger against morons and ignorants, that would be the end of you. I also understand you may work(or have worked) with exact sciences only, so stick with what you feel better with (even thou accuracy is mere approximation to the description of reality). I will stop posting here of course. if you can't see yourself reflected through my posts, then don't bother anymore. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Nov 7, 2007 Views: 716 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen Its really amazing the number of times that those that believe in the wackiest, craziest most lunatic ideas always end up calling those of us who prefer to use logic and science as having 'a closed mind'. Its the last refuge of the stupid. "You don't believe the rubbish I tell you so obviously your mind is closed". Nothing wrong in having an open mind, its healthy, but not so open that your bloody brains fall out. Read back through the posts and see how stupid your responses to my replies to you have been. Don't say I didn't try. |
| Posted By: Delphinus Posted On: Nov 7, 2007 Views: 714 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel exper Guys chill, it's just opinions you all have, nothing is written in stone. Neither of you is wrong or right... No need to get angry you guys are just sharing theories and ideas. Sorry if I'm interferring when where I'm not suppose to be but I have been following this and it does intrigue even though I'm weary on the scientific details. You both sound smart and intelligent and a healthy debate is always good but so is an open mind to each other's ideas... |
| Posted By: xeoncat Posted On: Nov 8, 2007 Views: 709 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen thanks delphinus. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Nov 9, 2007 Views: 701 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen Well I did try very hard to have a sensible discussion. However, as you can see reading back through the comments, no matter how hard I tried to explain and answer xeoncat's questions he took my replies completely wrong. For example, xeoncat maintains it is impossible for anyone to give a demonstration of TK because we can't explain how it works. Eh! He also can't understand why my hands stay at normal body temperature. Eh! He could not understand as well that my hands do not have to generate the same heat as 6 mugs of boiling water, no matter how many times I explained that. What more could I have done to explain the obvious? If someone is unable to understand very simple explanations that you have given to them, more than once, then you soon realise that you are wasting your time and its time to let go and move on. There is only so many ways and times I can answer a question. If they don't get it they don't get it. |
| Posted By: xeoncat Posted On: Nov 10, 2007 Views: 696 | RE: RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen I hope this will be really my last post on this forum. QUOTE: "For example, xeoncat maintains it is impossible for anyone to give a demonstration of TK because we can't explain how it works." I don't maintain it is impossible to demonstrate, I maintain that it is impossible to demonstrate to skeptics. It is a social question. QUOTE: "He also can't understand why my hands stay at normal body temperature." your hands can stay at body temperature as long as you're not dead. but we are speaking about air convection! the heat generated by your hands should be transferred to the air and the air is not close to at least 26ºC in 20ºC ambient, you would need a very very small closed room to do that. we are disconsidering (at least I am until now) that breathing also produces heat, and that may be significant to your theory. QUOTE: "He could not understand as well that my hands do not have to generate the same heat as 6 mugs of boiling water, no matter how many times I explained that." I pointed that because having 6 mugs is not realistic. you should be testing similar conditions to prove wether the psywheel moves by air convection or not. and I asked have you tested with one mug ?(which should have water at 37ºC-40ºC to be more realistic) your ambiguous response was "I tried with less mugs". I'm out of here |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Nov 12, 2007 Views: 689 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen I have just read the above comments. I am amazed! I have a video showing how the heat from my hands round the wheel makes it spin. Another video showing how heat from the mugs spin the wheel. I explain in considerable depth how I did all this. I even explain that in order to work there has to be a difference in temperature between my hands and the ambient air temperature. Obviously if my hands were the same temperature as the air no convection would occur, but with the warm air rising from my hands convection currents move the wheel. Pretty basic stuff. That is why I am amazed to read the comments from xeoncat. He STILL doesn't get it! Proves my point. If they don't get, they don't get it, and never will. Waste of time trying to explain, the logic cells just aren't there. That's why they believe in nonsense. |
| Posted By: xeoncat Posted On: Nov 13, 2007 Views: 683 | RE: RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen ****! lol. first, just because I'm on the other side of the world it doesn't mean you can insult me (or anyone else), second, don't talk about logic to me, you know sh*t about it. your arguments are empty and fallacious, and you know it. if you still do not found the problems in your arguments, at least know what are the logical fallacies of ad hominem (attack to the man, not the argument), of causal reductionism (making the moving psywheel with only one cause - of convection - when it can have many) and of affirmation of consequence (you affirm the consequence, that is, that PK doesn't exist, therefore it is impossible to argue otherwise). I will not answer anymore (well, I said that the last time, but I'm having a good time playing with you) |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Nov 13, 2007 Views: 681 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen If my "arguments are empty and fallacious" as you claim then it should be a simple matter for you to prove it. So go ahead! So far all you have achieved is to clarify how very wrong you keep getting things. Your lack of understanding is frightening. This is not my opinion or a personal attack on you, its a fact. Anyone can read back on these posts and see that for themselves. |
| Posted By: xeoncat Posted On: Nov 15, 2007 Views: 676 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen QUOTE: "If my "arguments are empty and fallacious" as you claim then it should be a simple matter for you to prove it. So go ahead!" I already asked the questions that needed to be asked. I'm sorry that your word alone isn't enough to prove your theory. I can't make the wheel spin with a delta 6ºC, so your conclusions can't be reproduced. QUOTE: "This is not my opinion or a personal attack on you, its a fact." Your opinions become fact too fast. |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Nov 15, 2007 Views: 675 | RE: another topic about the covered psywheel experimen Whatever. |
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