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| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 9, 2007 Views: 680 | RE: scott they are free to the public and ne one can get them .yes i do think your stupid for denying rvs statisical successs and reality its supported by very credible people and has been demonstrated in more then 1 lab with the chance of fraud and statiscal probiblity of getting in the way .the us government concluded theres a reality to this and quantum physics supports it aswell.what more do you want , and the day will come when you guys will have to accept esp as a reality as science is starting to acknowledge its existance and how it needs further study .(time and space are not dimensions in which we live, they are dimensions in which we think)ALBERT EINSTEIN |
| Posted By: Psience Posted On: Jun 9, 2007 Views: 674 | Ignore them CJ, we both know that if people tried, they cold use TK, RV, etc, these morons are too low to realise that...Just leave the site, stop typing perfect examples of RV, they think it is all $#*t, but it isn't... Keith Moron, what is your deal? no matter how much proof is shoved down your throat, you regurgitate it out and say it isn't real... same with minimoron |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 9, 2007 Views: 671 | RE: scott cudnt have said that ne better |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 10, 2007 Views: 666 | RE: scott Pscience If remote viewing is real and has been rigorously tested and statistically proven in all those universities by all these clever, respected and well qualified people, why is it then that it is very clearly not an accepted fact? cj rather lamely explained it was because it wasn't understood. However, Quantum Mechanics was proven the same way by rigorous tests and statistical results. QM is not understood either but no one would deny it is real and that it is a scientifically established and recognised fact, based on statistics. You call me a moron so you must be very clever. Answer me this then: Why is it that even though QM and RV are both based on stats and both not understood, QM is an accepted fact and RV is regarded as being a bit of a joke? And your explanation is............... *Yawn* |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 10, 2007 Views: 659 | RE: scott Despite almost 30 years of solid research with significant statistical data, the debate over ESP is still on going. Part of the problem is with "main stream" sciences belief systems. The belief system acts as a filter to what people will or will not accept. It is similar to not being able to find an object you are looking for that is right in front of your face. They will not validate ESP research simply because they do not believe in it. Scientific discoveries usually go in three stages: the first being disbelief and conflict Laws of Science; the second being admitting there is weak evidence therefore it is unimportant; and the final stage is acceptance where the main stream accepts that there is credible evidence. ESP research is now in stage two. Science has now admitted that there is weak evidence that supports the ESP phenomena. This however, is not true: ESP has been proven over and over beyond a reasonable doubt. Statistical analysis has proven that there is concrete evidence that ESP does in fact exist. Just because mainstream scientists will not validate it, does not make the evidence less credible or make the scientists correct. As in the 1400s there was a consensus with scientists that the world was flat and anyone who did not subscribe to this theory was ridiculed much like today with ESP research. As scientists slowly realized that this school of thought was false and that the world is in fact round. One day scientists will realize the validity of ESP research/thats why keith and i dont blame you for being skeptical because so was i .but its real keith i pledge my life on that |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 10, 2007 Views: 657 | RE: scott Give it up cj, even the articles you keep copying are a heap of horse s h i t. Read the one you just posted "....Just because mainstream scientists will not validate it....." I wonder why they won't? (For "mainstream scientists" read scientists, as opposed to quacks) Same question as I put to Pscience as it happens. Don't rush back into print until you have carefully read through my entire post to Pscience. Your repetitous replies which do not answer my question are a waste of time. |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 10, 2007 Views: 654 | RE: scott with "main stream" sciences belief systems. The belief system acts as a filter to what people will or will not accept. It is similar to not being able to find an object you are looking for that is right in front of your face. They will not validate ESP research simply because they do not believe in it. there you go and dont forget they are alot who do believe in the phenomenon reality . |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 11, 2007 Views: 652 | RE: scott There you go again! You fail to explain why scientists do not believe remote viewing but do believe Quantum Mechanics when both are based on tests and statistics. Knew you wouldn't answer the question, you never do. I'll tell you why instead. Taking your information from the places that you do carries as much weight as trying to decide what car to buy and going to the Ford Motor company for advice and being told a Ford car is the best you can get. That is precisely how worthless your claims are and why scientists totally reject them, but idiots accept them. That wasn't too hard to follow was it? Get it now? |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 11, 2007 Views: 648 | RE: scott did you forget alot of scientist belive the phenomenon exist and has been established and some do not belive and they deny ne evidence supporting it .expalin to me how rv works more then half the time clearly defing chance why is it repeatable ,but because if it was just luck and coincedence then it wudnt be repeatable .which means cleary somthing other then statisical probability or coincedence has taken place |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 11, 2007 Views: 646 | RE: scott You sound like a broken recording endlessly repeating itself. Read carefully what I said previously...."Taking your information from the places that you do carries as much weight as trying to decide what car to buy and going to the Ford Motor company for advice and being told a Ford car is the best you can get. That is precisely how worthless your claims are and why scientists totally reject them, but idiots accept them." And your quote "....Just because mainstream scientists will not validate it....." And my reply..."I wonder why they won't? (For "mainstream scientists" read "scientists", as opposed to nutty quacks.)" Don't you realise you have not mentioned a single scientists (as apposed to a nutty quack) who supports RV? The ones you mention all work for institutions and university departments that attempt ONLY to prove RV exists. You are going to Ford and asking if a Ford is a good car to buy! No point it me repeating this again, you clearly do not posses the wit to understand it and to understand why no scientists will support RV. So stop wasting your time by endlessly repeating the nonsense these nonentity idiots tell you. Try thinking it through carefully for a change and see if you can understand what I am telling you. I somehow doubt it based on previous experience. |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 11, 2007 Views: 639 | RE: scott yes survey show atleast 40 percent of mainstream scientist belive the phenomenon is real and has been established so yes there are main stream scientist who belive |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 12, 2007 Views: 635 | RE: scott If 'at least 40% of mainstream scientists' accept rv as genuine why is it not accepted as a fact? It would be. You have said over various posts: 1) It is a fact. 2) Only some researchers say its a fact, not 'mainstream scientists'. 3) Its not a fact because some scientists don't believe the stats. 4) Its not a fact because although they believe the stats they don't understand what it is. 5) It is a fact because the stats say so. 6) Its real because how else could you get those results? 7) 40% of 'mainstream scientists' say its a fact Can't you see how ridiculous and contradictory your argument has become? If 'at least 40% of mainstream scientists' accept rv as genuine then it would be an accepted fact! Go away, you are talking nonsense. |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 12, 2007 Views: 632 | RE: scott thats because your twisting them around to sound that way i can do that 2 those are not my exact words |
| Posted By: cj Posted On: Jun 12, 2007 Views: 631 | RE: scott rvs statistical results cannot be explained by chance or coincedence rv has been done in a lab there are very credible people who believe rv has been established |
| Posted By: Keith Mayes Posted On: Jun 13, 2007 Views: 627 | RE: scott You've said that before and I have explained before why that claim is rubbish. RV is a joke, just like your arguments are. No, that's not right, you don't have an argument at all, all you can say is: "rvs statistical results cannot be explained by chance or coincedence rv has been done in a lab there are very credible people who believe rv has been established ". You just keep saying the same old c r a p over and over again cj, its C R A P If it wasn't it would be an accepted fact. It isn't. No matter how many times you spew out the same old c r a p it will not change the fact that scientists regard RV as a joke. End of argument. |
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