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Posted By: HGFHD

Posted On: Dec 18, 2005
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Posted On: Dec 8, 2005
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Posted By: Mark Sheehan

Posted On: Nov 19, 2005
Views: 2162

There are two of us at this email address. When I voted in the survey, my vote was accepted. My partner does not share my views and the survey did not accept her vote. What can be done so that her vote can be accepted.

Posted By: Lucy

Posted On: Nov 15, 2005
Views: 2164
Reply to Nancye and others

So, Nancye, while I agree that we certainly have a lot of ID cards necessary for the various agencies that we deal with, I think you would agree that identity verification is necessary. You allude to this in your comment about refugees and migrants.

However, I am disturbed by your comment, as it proposed codifying the increasingly common perception in Australian society that Australians born here and naturalised citizens are two different classes of citizen: i.e. 'new' Australians aren't 'real' Australians, and should bear the stigma forever by having to carry identification.

As we saw in the recent wrongful detention cases of Vivian Solon and Cornelia Rau, Australian citizens without identification had their liberty taken away. This is not their fault for not having ID, it is not even the fault of the system for not providing them with your proposed 'immigrant' or 'citizen' card; it is the fault of our government (Minister Vanstone, especially, and the department) and our society at large for not treating people with dignity and not requiring the highest level of proof of foulplay before depriving someone of liberty.

Earlier in this thread, someone said they were willing to live with the privacy infringements possible through a national ID card system if it meant they would not be imprisoned unfairly.

If I get nothing else across in any of my conversations today, I hope I can impress on that person that that is what the independence of the judiciary is for. Prosecution under Australian law requires the proof of guilt. It is not up to you to prove yourself not guilty!

Having a centralised database of identifying information would likely be of benefit to law enforcement, especially if it included DNA profiles. However, I believe that this system would have serious privacy implications, and I am far from convinced that it's the best way forward for us.

Posted By: Nancye McLochlan-Clark

Posted On: Oct 13, 2005
Views: 2781
No new card and others

We don't need another card for anything, we are overrun with ID's. Pension cards, bank card, senior card's, tax numbers, medicare, blue card and so on, the government of today know more about us then we do, this has to stop. (I carry 25 cards of different types in my bag.)The only card of ID should be given to refugee's and migrants to actually show they have legally entered Australia, when granted the card and when expired. Australian born shouldn't have to go through this circus of who are you?.

Babies should be foot printed at birth and this could be a fair way of ID.

It is about time aborgines who claim to have a drop of abo blood and in trouble with the law,they shouldn't be in whiteman goals but sent to live with the elders group for their sentences. (This would soon free up goals and save money)

It is about time Australia had a large project like the Snowy River many years ago, we have a crisis at present about water, well why can't we make work by connecting every fresh water dam in the country to each other,including Tasmamia and when one area is in drought as at present we pump any supplus water from one state to another. I know this would cost alot of money but at the end of the day it would save money by most people working and living off the coast. People would go west if some guaruntee was given of a better life. Thanking for your time.
I must say I went off The Democrats because of Meg Lees and hope no-one in your party ever do what she did again. All the best Nancye

Posted By: avocadia

Posted On: Oct 1, 2005
Views: 2868
Knowing something is wrong

I know murder is wrong and am totally opposed to it. I know theft is wrong and am totally opposed to it. I know tyranny is wrong and am totally opposed to it.

It is actually possible to have an opinion on an issue. Unless you are a member of the Democrats, apparantly. In that case, you have to be a fence sitter until someone else comes along and convinces you.

Posted By: Ben

Posted On: Sep 28, 2005
Views: 2842

Forty percent of voters here are willing to say 'I KNOW it's a bad idea and am totally against it' even when there are three other options for people who would like to hear full details before committing.

I think that tells me enough about the kind of people who visit your blog Andrew and whether it is worth debating with them.

The Democrats used to be a party of fairness, compromise and the middle ground. Now we have a Democrat, 4 in 10 of whose fans will not even consider other points of view or research things before taking a stand. It becomes clear why the Democrats have died.

Posted By: Chris

Posted On: Sep 20, 2005
Views: 2334
Australia Card

Oddly enough I must be one of the few Democrats supportive of the principle of an Australian ID card, having supported it back c1987. Today we have many ID cards mostly commercial in which we are reduced to a long stream of digits. If it is a choice of being identified by government authority or commercial interests I'd prefer the former as at least one has the option of changing one's government but one is powerless to tell commercial interests where they get off. Whatever the system there is always that chance it can be abused so we would still have to find fail-safe ways of preserving its integrity.

Posted By: G. H. Schorel-Hlavka

Posted On: Sep 8, 2005
Views: 2374
ID card

Would it not be better to first have the Commonwealth of Australia stating in the heading in every legislation within which constitutional power the legislation is enacted?
We have all kind of unconstitutional legislation being implemented, and the ID card would be yet another if this was to go ahead.
No matter which side of the fence you are on about the ID card, unless the Commonwealth of Australia can show to have constitutional powers to legislate for it, we can forget about it all together!
Would this not be the obvious thing to go for?

It should be understood that the commonwealth of Australia has no constitutional powers to legislate in regard of property and personal liberty!

The States would have every power to implement for their respective State an ID card, but the Commonwealth of Australia simply has none!

See also my 30 September 2003 book;

A book on CD about Australians unduly harmed.
ISBN 0-9580569-6-X

Posted By: Jessie

Posted On: Sep 2, 2005
Views: 2413
Nationa ID Card

I am currently a year 12 student and I am studing Margret Atwood's 'The Handmaid's Tale'. I believe that is is highly topical to the current debate regarding the National ID Card. Admitadly I know very little about what the card would mean so am by no means in any situation to make a judgement. However I would like to draw attention to the dystopian text and point out that the implimentation of alike things were steps taken which enabled the theorocratic government to take over. The text was written in the 1980's and set in the near future and a part of me questions how far fetched it would be to relate the text to our own situation.

Posted By: Jonathon

Posted On: Aug 24, 2005
Views: 2480
ID Card? Why Not?

I dont see why we can't have a national ID card. In fact, from what I hear, wouldn't it be MORE convenient to have all your information stored on just one convenient little bit of plastic, ready for you to use day or night? Yeah, sure the Government will have access to every single bit and byte of info on that card, but I would rather have mine handy to eliminate me from a crime than not have one and be falsely convicted. If those were my only choices, I know for sure what I'd choose. I'd gladly sacrifice my so-called "liberties" and "privacy" if it meant that not only will I not be falsely convicted, I'll also not have my identity stolen.

Posted By: Chalk

Posted On: Aug 20, 2005
Views: 2270
ID card

The biggest threat we as a society face isn't extremism or terrorism. When we become so frightened of these things that we lose what makes our society a decent place, then we have lost regardless. Our best response is to live our lives as we wish to live them, taking full advantage of the freedoms of our society and not diminishing that which makes our society great. An ID card would be a clear signal to those who would cower us into changing our society: "You are winning".

Posted By: Jessica

Posted On: Aug 11, 2005
Views: 2315
National ID cards

As a student who uses public transport regularly and have a concession card that i present for discount on fairs i do not see why we couldn't implement the id cards for security reasons. If you consider all the people who caught buses on the day of the london bombing and all the families that were in anguish waiting to hear whether their loved ones or alive or dead, the id card does not seem to be that much of an inconvenience. If i were to spend another three seconds of my day swiping a card through a machine when getting on a bus all with the purpose of people knowing where i am all the time, i wouldn't care, especially if the bus were to be bombed because then i would know that on a database somewhere it says that i was on that bus and my family would at least have closure.

Posted By: Bruce

Posted On: Aug 9, 2005
Views: 2123
ID Card

First of all I think this was a smoke-screen put up by Howard while he was overseas to ensure that no debate occurred on the IR legislation while he was away ... and therefore could not control the spin! (Notice how this issue has disappeared of the radar since he came back from his overseas jaunt ...)
My concern is that if you collect all this info in one place it is easier to hack into by a disillusioned public servant etc. who then has access to a huge amount of personal information, rather than having to trawl through a number of sources.
PS: On the IR front, Andrew Murray was absolutely brilliant on Late Line (09-08-05) in destroying the remaining credibility that the Howard Govt has on this issue! Check the transcript.

Posted By: Tanner

Posted On: Aug 3, 2005
Views: 2197
National ID

We already have a national ID card, called a Social Security Card. If the ID cards were in the form of a standardized a driver's license, so they are uniform across each state, that would be okay and probably provide some benefit to the nation. I suggest we create an International ID card to replace "green cards" and "visas", this would make it easier to ID illegals and help employers and cut back on all the different paperwork. (i.e. The IRS paperwork required to hire and track internationals.

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